#dev 2025-03-08

2025-03-08 UTC
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[artlung] I'd be curious to know if a change to the line `if (empty($check) && $parameter != 'code_verifier') {` changed to `if (empty($check) && $parameter != 'code_verifier' && $parameter != 'me') {` if things then work. Longshot.
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[artlung] I was hoping for a quickie fix. `scope` seems to be space separated list. May contain create update delete (or more?) … I’m glancing at https://www.w3.org/TR/indieauth/
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[artlung] And a small warning [Paul_Lieberman] -- that threads in either Slack _*or*_ Discord do not bridge, so as opposed to other forums, do *not* use threads unless you're sure you're talking only to one person. Max visibility = no thread.
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[Paul_Lieberman] ↩️ I confess I am befuddled by this IndieWeb Slack interface , which appears to work differently than the Drupal Slack interface.
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[Paul_Lieberman] I couldn't tell when people were replying to me because it doesn't show as a thread.
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[Paul_Lieberman] Is it better in Discord?
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[artlung] [Paul_Lieberman] Canonical view is the irc / web view. The bridge is a nicety. I like the Slack best. But also do Discord. Whatever works best for you. I avoid using threading but will mention names when replying to someone, as I am to you here.
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[Paul_Lieberman] Thanks for everyone's help in diagnosing the issue using the Drupal IndieAuth module to provide an authentication endpoint for IndieWeb. I have opened an issue for the developer https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb/issues/3511761 . I will wait to hear back from him before pursuing this further.
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[fluffy] [Paul_Lieberman] The issue is that IndieWeb Chat itself doesn’t support threads or really anything that isn’t part of IRC, so there’s no way for Slack or Discord threads to work across any bridges. Slack threads are only visible to users on Slack, Discord threads are only visible to users on Discord.
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[fluffy] Probably the best uniform chat experience is using IRC on Liberachat, but Slack is nice for folks who already run Slack for other reasons.
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[fluffy] (And same for Discord)
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doesnm can you make slack<->discord threads bridging? In IRC we can live without it
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[fluffy] I think at one point Discord threads would just bridge to the channel and it was a big confusing mess. I don’t know what it’s like now.
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aaronpk Threads still go through the bridge, just as top level posts. If you look at the logs you'll see a ↩️ icon indicating the message was in a thread
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immibis are threads really a necessary chat feature? they work in forums because forums are very asynchronous, but someone looking at a live chat can process the 2-3 conversations happening at the same time
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doesnm threads can do archiving functually or just split multiplie conversations
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carrvo Threads can act like a short-lived channel for a side topic, and may also allow easier retrieval of specific sub-topics.
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carrvo While that does not make them *necessary*, to dispute they hold any value is like disputing channels hold any value either.
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carrvo Obviously the bridging issue is a very good reason to miss out on their value.
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carrvo That has been my experience with them anyway.
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carrvo It is not like channels are particularly necessary either. It all boils down to different ways to organize.
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capjamesg[d] It looks like you have to be enrolled in the ($79 / year) Apple Developer Program to distribute web extensions? That sucks.
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sknebel for Safari? yes, its fully the Apple Way(tm) ;)
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capjamesg[d] Is there a way I can ask my browser to redirect XML files to a /add?url= handler in my web reader?
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capjamesg[d] I would love to click on an "RSS" button on someone's website and be taken straight to my web reader rather than seeing all the XML 🙃
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capjamesg[d] I wondered if web actions could help here, but I'm not sure.
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sknebel firefox had that, but they might have ripped that out with all the other RSS support because "nobody uses that anymore"
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sknebel (or at least almost, extensions could register as feed reader handlers and navigating to a feed file did then show a selector instead)
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sknebel webactions it would be something the hosting site has to add
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immibis fragmentation is a reason to avoid having threads
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immibis indieweb doesn't subscribe to that idea, though, or it wouldn't have so many channels
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capjamesg[d] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (16 in all channels)
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capjamesg[d] Thank you for the information.
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[tantek] channel meta talk to #indieweb-meta please. And the reason is as a community grows, not everyone is interested in (or feels welcome by) all topics. Multiple channels allow people to subset to only what they want.
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[tantek] More in /discuss#FAQ and follow-ups in #indieweb-meta please
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capjamesg[d] [tantek] You may appreciate https://graydon.livejournal.com/196162.html
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capjamesg[d] [edit] [tantek] You may appreciate https://graydon.livejournal.com/196162.html
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[tantek] So good. Text++
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Loqi Text has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] What is text
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Loqi text refers to written content, documents with only written (AKA textual) content, a document format for such like Unicode or ASCII, or may refer to a text message (AKA txt or SMS) or sometimes a note https://indieweb.org/text
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[tantek] Text << 2014-10-13 [https://graydon.livejournal.com/196162.html always bet on text]
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Loqi ok, I added "2014-10-13 [https://graydon.livejournal.com/196162.html always bet on text]" to the "See Also" section of /text https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100348&oldid=14303
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