#dev 2025-11-11

2025-11-11 UTC
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[tantek]
[snarfed] does Bridgy Fed support following bsky profiles on https://fed.brid.gy/web/tantek.com/following ?
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[snarfed]
you can follow a bsky user with a u-follow-of webmention though!
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Loqi
[preview] [sebbu2] #1223 Allow to follow bluesky account from the web UI for websites
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[tantek]
Thanks [snarfed]! Will +1 the issue 🙂
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[schmarty]
(be sure to view source)
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[KevinMarks]
(I bought that to tease Tim Bray after HTML5 won)
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[manton]
Ha, xslt.rip is very clever.
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rgbivvv
what even is xslt? i've never heard of it
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[manton]
It was a way to translate XML documents into other formats, like XHTML. Sort of popular 20 years ago. 🙂
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[snarfed]
if XML was ever cool, that's when XSLT was cool
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rgbivvv
haha nice
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[artlung]
What is XSLT?
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Loqi
XSLT (eXtensible Stylesheet Language Transformations) is a styling and transformation language for XML that some indieweb community members use to style their RSS feeds for human readability in browsers https://indieweb.org/XSLT
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[Al_Abut]
XSLT was my way of not having to learn SQL or JSP at my first gig, just had the devs make XML for the data instead. It worked… until it didn’t.
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[Al_Abut]
remember JSP, ASP, and all the other PHP knockoffs?
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[schmarty]
loved JSP compared to _Applets_
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[jeremycherfas]
First baby steps towards a home server, I now have a 16GB drive hanging off my Raspberry Pi and remounting when it has to. Next, LAMP.
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[lazcorp]
just added a .well-known/traffic-advice file to my site (purely to get rid of the 404s in my logs)
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capjamesg
[lazcorp] What is that?
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[lazcorp]
It's a proposed standard to allow servers to ask visiting agents not to prefetch resources. Basically it's small JSON file you put at .well-known/traffic-advice, and in my case I've just set it to "go ahead and prefetch if you want"
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[lazcorp]
I don't think it will make any difference apart from me not getting annoyed at seeing a handful of 404 errors in my logs for that URL
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[tantek]
For folks that actively use a separate Mastodon account on someone else's server rather than federating their personal site, what are you use-cases for that? Or is it simply a matter of "easier", i.e. too much work to setup BridgyFed / WP plugin to federate?
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to2ds
A separate Mastodon account can be helpful for troubleshooting should one be daring enough to implement an ActivityPub server from scratch on their personal website.
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to2ds
The biggest issue I’ve experienced is navigating 401 errors.
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[Al_Abut]
[tantek] way easier to set up. Occasionally I’ve been curious about using something like masto.host so I could have a fun URL like alabut.design or something, but not enough to make me lose the state I’ve built up so far.
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[Al_Abut]
Plus it turns out that domains for mastodon hosts don’t matter as much as they do for something like a website or email address. Some apps like Ivory even hide the domain part by default to have clean usernames.
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to2ds
I think it’s possible to piggyback a subdomain onto the masto.host domain as well.
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gRegor
I think there's still some rough edges when it comes to migrating the accounts, so the domain might matter more in that case
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gRegor
But agreed, especially if on a static site, it's probably tough getting BF set up
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[snarfed]
hmm. what about BF makes static sites difficult?
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[artlung]
admintax is my answer. but also the first I heard of the thing was at xoxo, which was appealing as a cadre starting point.
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[snarfed]
[tantek] one reason to have a native Mastodon account is that you can hook other apps up to it via the API and OAuth, which BF doesn't do
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to2ds
I experimented with BF in 2024 on a static site. It was pretty straightforward.
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to2ds
Semi-static in that it was still possible to do scripting, etc. on the host.
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to2ds
Though ultimately, I think I broke my domain somehow on the BF side.
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[snarfed]
to2ds lmk if you want me to look at it
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to2ds
Thank you [snarfed]++
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Loqi
[snarfed] has 40 karma in this channel over the last year (64 in all channels)
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to2ds
Should I create a github issue?
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[tantek]
[snarfed] re: "hook other apps up to it" — that's what IndieAuth + Micropub is for! Not a software-specific API IMO
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[tantek]
Thanks all, these are good answers. I feel it may be worth capturing some of this on either /federation or perhaps first /Mastodon since it's (nearly?) always people creating a Mastodon account in addition to their website, rather than some other software/service
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[Al_Abut]
Seems to be where the party is for bloggy folks, so you just go where the people are.
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[Al_Abut]
Mastodon’s the closest thing to a comments section for my site.
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[tantek]
Having been disappointed in so many "go where the people are" places, sorry to say I'm done with that philosophy. That's how you end up investing time into things which die and go offline.
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[tantek]
It's contrary to /longevity IMO
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[tantek]
the alternative is, instead of *going* to "where the people are", *distribute* to "where the people are". Hence POSSE. That way when those places disappear, you don't lose what you wrote, created, contributed etc.
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[tantek]
something will come along that will replace Mastodon. some would argue Bluesky is already that something.
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[tantek]
I see a hamster wheel that I have no desire to get (back) onto
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[tantek]
I want to build neighborhoods that last. Not jump from one ephemeral beach party to the next.
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[artlung]
Sounds like you’ve reached some great personal convictions! Good on ya!
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to2ds
For longevity question, all those LLM crawlers slurping up the Internet, there's bound to be many copies of our personal sites in their cold storage :)
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to2ds
Getting them back out is different matter.
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[snarfed]
to2ds no need for an issue, but remind me which site, and what the problem is?
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[tantek]
[artlung] lol yeah maybe it needs a blog post 😆
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to2ds
BF tried to pull my profile JSON and responded with 401 "Couldn't load https://toddpresta.com/todd to verify signature" when I attempted to reply to capjamesg post on his bridged website.
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to2ds
My website was bridged at one time, but now it's its own instance.
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[snarfed]
oh interesting ok. yeah that kind of change isn't well supportee right now, but I'll look
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to2ds
Figured that would be taboo in the grand scheme :)