#dev 2025-12-02

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[tantek] LLM traffic << Iocaine (https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/) is MIT-licensed open source software for detecting unwanted traffic, typically [[GenAI]] scrapers, and responding with trash.
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Loqi ok, I added "Iocaine (https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/) is MIT-licensed open source software for detecting unwanted traffic, typically [[GenAI]] scrapers, and responding with trash." to the "See Also" section of /large_language_model_traffic https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=106230&oldid=106070
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[tantek] and there you go, presto, documented on the most relevant page for the topic for now. if multiple people start using it with their own sites then we can create a separate page with a longer description, subsections etc.
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crowdersoup looks like Iocaine was already on that page under "Tools to combat"
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rossabaker Hmm. My search turned up empty when it was mentioned on Mastodon, but it's there now. Good thing, because my IndieLogin is still broken!
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rossabaker I can see from my logs that the IndieLogin request is being served my homepage instead of Iocaine trash, but it's still failing to find any valid rel="me". I'm clean on indiewebify.me. I'm trying to figure out how to run the Mf2 parser locally, but I'm not a PHP person.
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rossabaker I got it running in "php -a". I have https://indieauth.com/auth as my authorization_endpoint, which I think is causing indielogin.com to abandon parsing my rel=me. And I think IndieAuth has a different set of supported providers.
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gRegor indieauth.com looks like it finds your GPG and GitHub sign in options
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ulhar4409 i wonder, are there any known "micropub from scratch" devlogs? i am sort of stuck on my own implementation and curious if someone has something where they document their own struggles and solutions
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gRegor They're several years old, but there were some micropub-in-one-session sessions at IWC. I recall one at /2018/Baltimore
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/2018/Baltimore/micropub
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rossabaker This has been an odyssey. I had to allow list a separate IP for IndieAuth's requests, which are also eaten by Iocaine.
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gRegor More sessions on https://indieweb.org/Micropub#Sessions
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rossabaker It was not showing me my PGP key, and I've deprecated my GitHub account. I added a GitHub rel=me to my <head>, at which point I could see both GitHub _and_ the PGP option.
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rossabaker Since indieauth.com is deprecated, and since everything I use supports IndieLogin.com, I removed the authorization_endpoint.
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rossabaker At _that_ point, I have my choice of Codeberg or Bluesky.
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gRegor Makes sense. yeah look like indielogin.com finds your Codeberg and bsky
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rossabaker My Bluesky is from Bridgyfed, and doesn't work.
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rossabaker And Codeberg is asking for a terrifying looking scope: "If you grant access, it will be able to access and write to all your account information, including private repos and organizations."
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gRegor eek!
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gRegor that doesn't sound right
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rossabaker There's no scope parameter here (https://github.com/aaronpk/indielogin.com/blob/3aeac1195a9b506f57f2879dd43b6701138c654a/app/Provider/Codeberg.php#L19-L26). Maybe that would tighten it up?
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rossabaker Or maybe not. From the Forgejo docs (https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/user/oauth2-provider/):
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rossabaker > "Scopes are not implemented for OAuth2 tokens and they can be used to execute any actions on behalf of the user..."
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rossabaker You know what... the email option for IndieLogin.com works great now that I've added a rel=me there!
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[tantek] great!
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[tantek] IndieLogin++
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Loqi IndieLogin has 2 karma over the last year
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ulhar4409 gRegor: that 2018 talk seems helpful, thanks
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ulhar4409 i hadn't considered i could just store the request body as a json file, independently from rendering to html :P
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carrvo I have added mobile support to my nav! CSS-only/modern-CSS is really complicated and annoying. But I did it.
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ulhar4409 got a bunch of progress in on my micropub stuff (even though I should be sleeping x3)
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ulhar4409 for a while i was conflating "store the post somewhere" with "render the post to html" and putting the cart before the horse
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[rose] Carrvo - curious, did you manage to keep it accessible? I'm told it's hard to do mobile menus that are accessible with just CSS.
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[aciccarello] Does anyone know of a basic micropub endpoint + website project that could be used for a local demo of a micropub endpoint?
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[aciccarello] I'm thinking something you could run locally, sign into with a local micropub client (omnibear) and show that posts get created. Doesn't have to be fancy.
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itskalvaxus [aciccarello]: Not really.. But I'm curious to follow along with your findings.
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[aciccarello] Right now I've been running my site locally + my micropub server but that's overkill for a demo. And I'd like there to be something other people could reproduce.
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gRegor I thought there was a minimal PHP one out there, similar to a one-file IndieAuth setup, though I don't remember the name and can't seem to find it.
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gRegor what is selfauth
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written as single-file PHP without a database https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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gRegor That's the indieauth one I was thinking of
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[aciccarello] I wonder if something like dobrado is a good option
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[aciccarello] comment parade is powered by https://github.com/cweiske/anoweco which seems like it has some pieces
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[aciccarello] Oh nice, I can post replies https://commentpara.de/comment/1603.htm
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[aciccarello] Notes do not work though
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Loqi [preview] [Omnibear Test] Testing omnibear
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carrvo rose: I am not yet focused on accessibility for multiple reasons so probably not. However, if you are interested there are patterns to follow and we have a particularly knowledgeable member artlung (and he runs a FrESH session).
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carrvo What is accessibility?
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Loqi Accessibility is key to designing web sites in an inclusive manner, lowering barriers to information, interaction, and communication, to make the web accessible to people with disabilities, and sometimes a literal site path (/accessibility) for a website accessibility statement; the IndieWeb community encourages both accessible events & personal sites https://indieweb.org/accessibility
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carrvo What is FrESH?
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Loqi 🎨 Front End Study Hall (sometimes abbreviated as FrESH) is an HTML and CSS focused IndieWeb popup meeting focused on markup, styling, design, layout, and accessibility in a loose format where participants come to learn and teach https://indieweb.org/FrESH
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