#dev 2026-02-12
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neoruta i just realized neocities blocked my home ip. i cant register an acct with them. are there any alternative for me?
# rgbivvv why did they block you?
# neoruta vpn
# neoruta it's ok, i found nekoweb now
# neoruta :)
# neoruta they blocked me too :(
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aaronpk [edit] I didn't read the whole convo here but this is a guide I wrote that hopefully explains some https://aaronparecki.com/2021/04/13/26/indieauth
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# addam89 A lot of companies just blanket ban known VPNs to help prevent abuse of their services
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# bubbybumble What do y'all think about typescript? I get it's purpose and the reason it exists, but i can't help but feel like it slows down development for type safety that isn't always 100% (because it's possible to accidentally circumvent the type hints)
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[aciccarello] bubbybumble, I like TS for clarity of data structures and parameters. I've also played around with using the TS compiler on JSDoc annotated JS files. Either way I generally prefer it to flying blind.
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# bubbybumble hmm alright
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CrowderSoup bubbybumble, type safety definitely only solves a certain class of bug which can be addressed a few different ways (JSDoc comments for instance) but I think overall TS is worthwhile. In particular, I think it makes large applications much easier to reason about.
# CrowderSoup I'm currently designing a new API service at work to replace an old RPC style API. TypeScript vs JS was one of our considerations but TS is winning out in the end,.
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# [aciccarello] Zach Leatherman: "Trying to find an old IndieWeb…" - Zach’s Mastodon https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/116058786540439520
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# [aciccarello] I remember someone else looking into this too. Sounds like a place for some wiki gardening
# [tantek]3 rel=source
# [tantek]3 aciccarello, I believe we may have captured some of this on the #microformats wiki
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[artlung] links links links to http://indieweb.org and http://microformats.org in that Mastodon thread
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# [tantek]3 some of those links just make me sad. the DC ref (without anything helpful specifically) for example
# [tantek]3 aciccarello, updated this to hopefully provide more clarity on the current state of proposals based on prior chat here in #indieweb-dev: https://microformats.org/wiki/source-code-brainstorming#Alternatives
# [tantek]3 I'd reply to Zach's post if my site was up. Feel free to link him to that section for the latest. Lots more gardening/cleanup needed on source-code related pages on the #microformats wiki
# blacklight https://blog.fabiomanganiello.com/article/webmentions-with-batteries-included thoughts? :)
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# [morgan] Hey my friend just bought their first custom domain. They are asking me lots of questions about email forwarding, hosting, stuff like that. Im fielding them pretty well but are really hammering questions about how to do things for free. I said this is an area which doesnt really come for free, if you arent paying anything you gotta ask if you yourself are the product? Is that valid?
# [morgan] Currently tossing up between proton mail, fast mail, or google workspace with the custom domain
# [snarfed] [morgan] re "not free," yes, very valid. cost for non-free domain and web services is generally very cheap, at least for small personal web sites etc. given how much people generally pay for eg cell phone service, asking them to pay $5-50/yr total for a domain, web site, email forwarding, etc is something like 1/10th of that cell service cost, and imho entirely reasonable these days
# [tantek]3 we have an FAQ on that I believe
# bubbybumble what is wiki gardening
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki gardening" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "wiki gardening is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# bubbybumble what is wiki garden
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "wiki garden" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "wiki garden is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek]3 what is gardening
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gardening" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gardening is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek]3 huh
# [tantek]3 what is garden
# Loqi 🌳 garden is a place for deliberate growing of plants, whether trees, whether decorative, fruit bearing, or otherwise edible, that are sometimes the primary subject of IndieWeb posts, and is an area of exploration for more structured posts around planting, plant growth, flowering, bearing fruit etc https://indieweb.org/garden
# [tantek]3 there we go 🙂
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# bubbybumble oh it's literally just a wiki about gardening
# bubbybumble I keep assuming stuff is jargon lol
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# addam89 Hey I'm wondering what's the general consensus around using Javascript? I'm making a portfolio as a UX designer and animator, and it seems like I need Javascript here and there to get some nice interaction feedback. Maybe I'm wrong. But it seems like I'll need compromise here and there when my field of work is largely visual
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burgeonlab addam89: I'm a amateur self-taught webdev and I think the general consensus here from chatting with the group is that a bit of JS is okay to help with interactivity, etc but try not to rely on it fully when HTML or CSS can do the job.
# addam89 Thanks, yeah that sounds reasonable and what I've been trying to stick with, so good to know!
# [artlung] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Elements/details https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Elements/dialog https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Global_attributes/popover are all nicely compatible ways to add interactivity in things. It depends of course on the effect you're seeking though. There's a lot of great CSS that removes the need for JS for many presentational and
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