#dev 2026-05-15

2026-05-15 UTC
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burgeonlab thanks artlung, capjamesg!
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WinnerWind continuing from #indieweb-random, i'm making my ssg in python and not rust
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WinnerWind and yet it makes about 100 markdown files in 400ms which is fast enough for me
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WinnerWind its way faster than Quartz which says it finishes in about 400μs but in practice getting npm running itself takes like 3 years
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WinnerWind im also using a python based markdown library so i dont get a massive speed benefit
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[capjamesg] I use Python too. But there are now Python packages that are implemented in Rust and then offer Python APIs.
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[capjamesg] I use https://pyromark.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ for converting markdown to HTML which works really well.
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WinnerWind oh im way more comfortable with jinja so ill stick with that
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[capjamesg] 🙌
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WinnerWind oh this is markdown to HTML, my bad
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WinnerWind im using pymdox for that because i rely on some of its extensions so that i dont need to re-code a bunch of things i frankly don't care about (admonitions being one of them)
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[capjamesg] Oh yeah extensions can be really helpful.
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WinnerWind BTW is your website source written in markdown or jinja? bit confused when im reading your blog
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[capjamesg] Both. I write my posts in .md files, and then have jinja2 templates for the layout and components.
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[capjamesg] Also congrats on getting your generator to run so fast. WinnerWind++
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: i do too! well, i WILL do so
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WinnerWind the SSG is basically stable now, i just need to make the templates and point it to my website
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[capjamesg] Oooh that’s exciting!
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WinnerWind for templates i decided to go with a rule based system so that you can define some folders and some file names to use specific templates (using globstar, so folder/* and *myname* etc.)
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: BTW is the source code for Aurora public?
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[capjamesg] It is! I started a re-write this year, which is hosted at https://codeberg.org/capjamesg/aurora-v2/src/branch/main/main.py
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WinnerWind got it!
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[capjamesg] You can ignore the `VariableVisitor` bit right now; I haven’t finished porting it over, which is also why I manually add `["./pages/templates/sitemap.xml"]` at the end of the dependencies to build.
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WinnerWind https://git.winnerwind.in/WinnerWind/yaml-static-site-generator <-- that's mine, though i really need a better name for this....
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WinnerWind its either SSSG or YSSG
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WinnerWind YSSG isn't even accurate, it uses yaml for like some confiuration
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: got it!
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[capjamesg] You self host your code -- nice!
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[capjamesg] I like the way you do extensions.
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[capjamesg] Oohh and the coloured messages too.
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: thanks! still a WIP though, i still need to figure out a niceish methodology to allow extensions to create their own files (say, an index.html extension or something that auto-makes pages from tags and stuff)
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WinnerWind rn the only two types of extensions are Analyzers and Modifiers. Analyzers analyse a file and store shared data for other Analyzers or Modifiers to use. Modifiers modify the content of a page in place
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: wouldn't be here if i wasn't self hosting :P
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WinnerWind but thanks!
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WinnerWind you figured out how to get it to work?
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[capjamesg] Figured out the extension thing, or how to use your generator? If the latter I was just skimming through the code.
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WinnerWind [capjamesg]: ah okay, im surprised you managed to figure out how all that works from just looking at the code
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WinnerWind then again, its about 90 lines long lmao
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[capjamesg] Oh haha yeah I don’t understand it that deeply 😄
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[capjamesg] But it helps to have short code!
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WinnerWind for sure! i do need to clean it up though
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WinnerWind speaking of cleaning it up, it just occured to me that it might be worth making the listing itself a plugin so that everythigng becomes modular
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[capjamesg] 👀
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[capjamesg] I have got some things to do but this has been a nice chat — it’s always exciting to hear how people build their sites!
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WinnerWind see you around!
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ZodiacalComet WinnerWind++ for getting your SSG to an stable state
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WinnerWind ZodiacalComet: thanks! still a long way to go haha
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WinnerWind its usable but not VERY
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btrem I just started using https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser. When I parse an h-entry, it outputs the p-name as an array. Why is that?
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jak2k btrem: Someone or something could have multiple names.
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btrem Are there examples of `h-entry`s with more than on `p-name`?
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btrem ...one...
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btrem Stupid fingers.
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btrem Because "someone or something" would be represented by an `h-card`, not an `h-entry`, no?
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ulhar4409 my understanding of it is that if it is *always* an array, you can always safely treat it as an array, whereas if it's an array *only when plural*, code is more likely to break when it assumes singular
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aaronpk It's so that the parser can be unaware of the semantic meaning behind the names
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[snarfed] right. all mf2 elements are multiply valued
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[tantek] Also so that the JSON output structure is more consistent
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btrem Thanks aaronpk et. al. for the replies. I'm using `parsedHtml.items[0].properties.name[0]`; I get a little nervous when a variable has that many appendages. But I may come to appreciate the consistency.
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btrem Also I have a hard time looking at a json structure and calculating the item I need. I stare and stare, "wait, it's `properties.name`, right? No, `items.properties.name`. Wait, what does that square bracket mean?...." ;-)
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Zegnat btrem: there have been some projects that try to address those concerns by taking mf2 parser output and flattening it into some other known structure. But I am not sure there is one in TypeScript/JavaScript land.
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Zegnat I am thinking of initiatives like https://indieweb.org/jf2 (standard) and https://indieweb.org/mf2util (library) and https://indieweb.org/XRay (service)
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[KevinMarks] jf2 isn't fully converged - the different language libs do it a bit differently.
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[tantek] Looking for a new editor for jf2 if anyone is up for stepping up to help tighten up the spec and resolve outstanding spec issues
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[KevinMarks] I can take another pass, but some help would be welcome
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[KevinMarks] The main usage is in http://webmention.io
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[tantek] Test cases would help with any implementation inconsistencies
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btrem Zegnat++ for the links. I'll have a look. I'm not sure how much work to put into this. I've only ever submitted one bookmark to IndieNews. So far, I've only done a test case and retrieved a p-name. To make this useful, I'd need a fallback for pages without mf. Probably more than one fallback to be honest.
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btrem Again, karma didn't work. What's going on with that? Zegnat++
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btrem Does it only work at the end now? That's new, I think.
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[tantek] btrem++ test
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[tantek] 🤷‍♂️
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btrem That's strange.
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btrem But I got a free karma, so there's that.
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btrem All part of my scheme! :-D
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btrem Zegnat: as you pointed out, not available in node, alas. Now I wish even a little more that I were on Python. Though I do rather like 11ty.
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btrem aaronpk I'm looking at the repo for IndieNews. It appears that you /don't/ retrieve the post title for submitted bookmarks. https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieNews/blob/d965207389aa1893511c6787b8ea8670d0a10741/controllers/webmention.php#L254-L264 Have I read the code correctly?
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aaronpk oh rly
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aaronpk look at that TODO
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btrem But I'm mystified. How did IndieNews get the title of the page I submitted via bookmark? https://news.indieweb.org/en/stephango.com/file-over-app
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btrem Oops. It's in my bookmark. Nvm. :-?
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btrem My website has the title. I seem to have forgotten that I removed it from my dev site to investigate how to retrieve it from the url.
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btrem Now that I think about it, I had some problems submitting it because it was missing the `name` property: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2026-01-16
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btrem So I was forced to add it. And now don't I feel silly. :-o
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btrem Is there a url to test 500 errors? I'd rather not break my own server just to test how my ssg handles fetches to a server that returns 5xx responses.
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[snarfed] mock HTTP responses in unit tests?
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[snarfed] or https://httpbin.org/#/Status_codes
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btrem [snarfed]++ brilliant!
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btrem (Don't know what a "mock HTTP unit test." I'm afraid I've never created a unit test, and wouldn't even know where to begin. But the link is just what I need.)
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