#dev 2026-09-11

2026-09-11 UTC
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yanglake__ recently found playhtml
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yanglake__ really love the idea of internet benches and internet third spaces
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yanglake__ disappointed to go on its github and see its being held together poorly
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yanglake__ 30k LOC per commit from 5 different agents is insane
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yanglake__ so im thinking about reverse engineering and how would i minimally implement what i need out of playhtml
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yanglake__ definitely access to a key-value database and socket programming is at work here
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yanglake__ how would yall approach storing and updating html coordinate states in real time across screens
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yanglake__ something like cursors and canvas objects
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yanglake__ out of inspiration, im adding a small chatbox on my site
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rnkn how do people feel about duplicting HTML id tags for different element types, e.g. <div id="foo"> <form id="foo">?
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rnkn nevermind. "The id global attribute defines an identifier (ID) that must be unique within the entire document." - MDN
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aaronpk I was going to say
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[artlung] [tantek] gets a mention on this page of css arcana https://vale.rocks/posts/css-relics
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Loqi [preview] CSS Curiosities of the Past
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wturrell related: is the <form? "name" attribute deprecated (in favour of ID)? I've read somewhere that it is, but MDN doesn't mention it.
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wturrell also, I've started removing closing tags from <img>,<meta> etc. given W3C validator says they're not necessary. Not sure if I can honestly say if having them makes code more readable or not, maybe I've just got used to it.
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[Murray] @wturrell I always feel that if an HTML element cannot contain anything within its tags, then self-closing is more readable. E.g. `<img></img>` cannot ever have anything between the angle brackets, but it looks like it could, whereas `<img/>` is clear that it's standalone.
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[Murray] I know its also technically fine to leave some elements open-ended, e.g. `<p>Some text` but for the same reason, I personally prefer always closing them, again to signal that hey, this content belongs to this element, and more stuff can go here too
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[Murray] it was a really useful realisation back when I was learning HTML, and I try to stick to it
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rnkn I'm building a CMS. is it unwise for me to have have the CMS file management routes (e.g. /edit, /delete, etc.) in the same namespace as user pages? like, it would mean a user can't have a page called /delete
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jak2k rnkn: You could prefix the CMS's routes: /_edit /_delete
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jak2k Or you could implement Micropub!
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rnkn jak2k: excellent idea, think I will go with that
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rnkn micropub?
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jak2k What is MicroPub?
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Loqi Micropub is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) and API for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/Micropub
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[aciccarello] micropub++
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Loqi micropub has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[mikemai2awesom] re: CSS Curiosities. vale also wrote about `color="chucknorris"`. my favorite quirk. https://www.htmhell.dev/adventcalendar/2024/20/
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[artlung] wturrell asked: _"is the <form? "name" attribute deprecated (in favour of ID)?" -_ in short, no. The name attribute on form elements provides the keys in the key value pairs of a GET request
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[artlung] This presumes the form elements (input, textarea, select) are child elements of a `<form>` element
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[artlung] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Attributes
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wturrell [artlung]: ah yep thanks, it’s been a while since i did any code that used that.
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gRegor Do you mean `name` on the form itself or on inputs? I thought on the form itself, it didn't get sent in the GET request, though does stuff with the DOM: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Reference/Elements/form#name
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