#meta 2018-05-04

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Loqi [superfeedr] "GDPR and the IndieWeb" by Khürt Williams on 2018-05-02 http://104.236.229.226/gdpr-and-the-indieweb/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "human beings" by Khürt Williams on 2018-05-04 http://104.236.229.226/human-beings/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb und die DSGVO" by rene@renem.net (René) on 2018-05-03 https://renem.net/post/2018-05-03-indieweb-dsgvo/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Cool Things You Can Do On Drafts 5" by post.txt on 2018-04-18 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/18293/9041708
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@aschweig Naturally I see this a minute after the deadline :( #openweb #WordPress #IndieWeb #journalism https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Journalism" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-04 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/aschweig-naturally-i-see-this-a-minute-after-the-deadline
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Loqi [superfeedr] "human beings" by Khürt Williams on 2018-05-04 https://islandinthenet.com/human-beings/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "GDPR and the IndieWeb" by Khürt Williams on 2018-05-02 https://islandinthenet.com/gdpr-and-the-indieweb/
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, on the Federated Web/Fediverse question, we should definitely have something. Many of us here have one or more accounts in many of those spaces and several in those areas are either here or aware. Then there's work like Fed Bridgy which could potentially tie pieces together into a larger whole.
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[chrisaldrich] I think we've also got pages on most of the software that comprises the Fediverse or related tech, we should have some top level page to tie things together and be welcoming to those who want to participate.
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[chrisaldrich] They could certainly be cleaned up a bit, though perhaps by some who spend more time on that side of life than I have been lately.
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[chrisaldrich] I made a few tweaks yesterday when someone randomly drove by #indieweb with a related question...
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2018-05-02-homebrew-website-club (+21) "/* Photos */ visibly label photos" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@cathieleblanc Cathie when I said @withknown I mean Known-like same thinng with OmniBear. I was using tools I use to draw up my mental model" by Greg McVerry on 2018-05-03 http://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/05/03/cathieleblanc-cathie-when-i-said-withknown-i-mean-known-like-same
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Loqi [superfeedr] "IndieWeb Summit 2018" on 2018-05-04 http://calagator.org/events/1250473691
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aaronparecki.com edited /2018 (-9) "/* RSVP */ calagator" (view diff)
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Loqi 😃
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I believe in the Indieweb. It needs to believe in itself" by sp332 on 2018-05-04 http://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html
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aaronpk hm this is not true "will see an incoming webmention as a non-sequitur and content-free HTTP request, and ignore it.", a misunderstanding of webmention
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jmac You're right. I'll reword that.
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aaronpk good post though
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jmac thanks, and thanks
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jmac It's a little screedy, but... it's what i've been thinking!
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tantek jmac have you read Neal Stephenson's "Anathem" ?
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jmac yup
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tantek you may find analogies there to our "continuing to not strive for a level of public visibility"
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tantek and re: "IndieWeb has proven itself ready for a far more public debut" - not until we have something that the "far more public" can easily adopt (Generation 4 here: indieweb.org/Generations
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tantek )
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tantek consider that we may organized already just as much as is necessary for where we are (again, re: /generations)
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tantek anything formal like a "non-profit organization" creates even more of a recurring admin-tax/time-tax that will inevitably harm the productivity of volunteers
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jmac I dig the generations thing, and I suppose my point is that it'll take some extra organizational to cross the next generational boundary. I don't dictate who the oompher will be or what form it should take. But I do feel there's some readiness there
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jmac I meant "organizational oomph"
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aaronpk I do think there's enough working and specced out for someone to take and turn into either a product or an organization that promotes it
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aaronpk but I think for the benefit of the IndieWeb long-term, that kind of thing needs to happen as a spinout organization
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tantek we've been able to do most of this without a formal org: "central and easily-discoverable points for public communication and social media, and it can accept donations and sell branded merchandise."
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jmac aaronpk: that would certainly be one way to do it!
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tantek speaking of which aaronpk, should we start thinking of t-shirts (maybe in a new color?) for IWS, perhaps a short run of microformats shirts too assuming I can get the logo files?
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aaronpk i would say we are not at the level of accepting donations that we would need to scale up
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aaronpk we don't have anything someone can give significant amounts of money to or allocate in meaningful ways. right now we're basically covering costs either by having sponsors pay the costs directly or running things through me
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tantek "to start truly effecting change on the world" we need Gen4 ready solutions, that, much more than anything organizationsl / bureucratic, will make a difference
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aaronpk we also don't have a big enough reach to ask for >$10k donations right now
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tantek These are all good questions to keep asking however!
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aaronpk micro.blog is a huge step in this direction, we just need like 4 more of these
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jmac For sure
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tantek The other advantage of being more "under the radar" is that we are less likely to be the attention of attackers, griefers, trolls etc. (since they have more public targets to attack). It buys us time to continue solidfying what we have, and broadening our appeal
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jmac I found IW obliquely, by a colleague singing about micro.blog (even though I haven't used it)
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tantek and certainly welcome your "pledge to help however I can, and I begin with this note of encouragement borne on equal parts hope, personal excitement, and benevolent impatience"!
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tantek jmac++
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tantek jmac, consider submitting your article to https://news.indieweb.org/en !
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tantek Always great to get an increasingly diverse set of opinions, hopes, dreams on there!
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jmac In all seriousness I have learned a LOT about running a charitable technology foundation over the last couple years, and having said my piece on that please consider me a knowledge-resource there.
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jmac I know that I'm standing here with a hammer and seeing nails everywhere and trying to be chill about it.
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tantek heads-up IndieWebSummit participants - OSBridge ticket sales just opened up!
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tantek just got emails about it
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Jason McIntosh: I believe in the IndieWeb. It needs to believe in itself." on 2018-05-04 http://blog.felter.org/post/173583341260
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Zegnat “perhaps a short run of microformats shirts too” – I am very sad I do not own a microformats shirt, tantek :( Maybe I should have my own made
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gRegorLove +1 I definitely want a microformats shirt
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schmarty tantek: opensourcebridge.org still has the 2017 dates :/
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-05-02-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-05-02-hwc-sf.jpg"
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aaronpk *whew* just in time
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Zegnat Back from restaurant, so I got the curl code PR’d, aaronpk :) https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k-http/pull/2
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Loqi [Zegnat] #2 Track redirects followed by curl
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Zegnat Woops, that should have gone into -dev
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Zegnat Wrong channel selected, don’t mind me
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tantek how's our photo count for the week?
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aaronpk 4!
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tantek these are so wonderful!
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schmarty HWC++
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schmarty ha!
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tantek HWC++ wow
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Loqi hwc has 2 karma
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-122-pre-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-122-pre-hwc-sf.jpg"
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-05-02-homebrew-website-club (+32) "/* Photos */ add a pre-hwc-sf photo from quiet writing hour" (view diff)
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tantek alright, added one more SF photo but without the photosrcalt so it doesn't impede upon the newsletter
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tantek anybody verify the rest of https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-05-04.html beyond the photos?
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tantek aaronpk: should the newsletter de-dupe Podcasts from Posts about the IndieWeb?
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tantek hmm maybe only one dupe, "An Indieweb Podcast – Episode 3: Syndication" shows up in both sections (Podcasts , Posts about)
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[kevinmarks] Wonder if I can retrospectively call the dinner with Brian Behlendorf and Sohail Munir as HWC Dubai, as we did talk about indieweb
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tantek difficult without having done an open invitation
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tantek I like sgreger's pixelation approach
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tantek that would also help mitigate abusive avatars
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sknebel true!
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tantek one (real) concern I have is with (actual) Nazis on Twitter using a giant swastika in their avatar and then that showing up in a facepile or list of RSVPs *on my site*
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tantek IDK what to do about this currently. Hasn't happened yet (AFAIK) but I've seen some pretty bad Twitter icons in the wild
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jmac tantek: FWIW I just popped my post into news.indieweb.org per your suggestion
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aaronpk I've had an inappropriate avatar show up on one of my posts
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tantek and pixelation wouldn't solve that, or wait, maybe a 3x3 pixelation like sgreger is doing would!
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aaronpk jmac: yay I was about to say we missed that
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Loqi giggles
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aaronpk Tho I think it was a few minutes late for this weeks email
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tantek jmac++ great - we'll see it next week hopefully
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jmac I can wait a week if that's more appropriate
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jmac cool
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aaronpk I'm thinking about changing the podcast section to remove the show notes
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aaronpk I feel like that ends up being too noisy in the newsletter
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tantek ooh that's a good constraint for pixelation! largest # of pixels you can have without someone sneaking in a swastika or eggplant
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tantek now I want this as a service
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tantek this kind of thing: https://sebastiangreger.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-pixelated-500x163.png
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tantek from unknown Twitter users
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tantek I think what would make me feel more comfortable about showing facepiles
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tantek sgreger++ for coming up with the pixelation solution to apparent GDPR concerns, because I think it has solved another problem! (abuse from unknown users)
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tantek aaronpk agreed
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tantek so I think I want to both 1. pixelate their icon, and 2. *not* link to their Twitter profile - any "likes" from unknown Twitter accounts
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tantek (even if they are following me)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Thanks for your questions. Several of us took a stab at answering them in the IndieWeb wiki today. You can find the answers here: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-faq I" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-04 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/thanks-for-your-questions-several-of-us-took-a-stab
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tantek maybe this is more dev than meta
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tantek well on that note, time to review those answers
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tantek hey this is an interesting question: https://indieweb.org/Webmention-faq#How_do_you_know_if_a_website_uses_webmentions.3F
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tantek could we use little "I accept Webmentions" buttons?
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tantek or maybe I <3 Webmentions ?
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swentel hmm yeah, better than a webmention badge I guess
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tantek the button could even link to your endpoint where you could display an HTML form to submit a webmention
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The Echo Chamber" by Beyond Bridges on 2018-05-04 https://medium.com/@jgphilpin_98479/the-echo-chamber-92a22c1a2df6?source=rss-------1