#meta 2018-05-05

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aaronpk generations << https://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2013/12/17/geoffrey-moore-why-crossing-the-chasm-is-still-relevant/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2013/12/17/geoffrey-moore-why-crossing-the-chasm-is-still-relevant/" to the "See Also" section of /generations https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47501&oldid=47251
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tantek aaronpk: https://indieweb.org/buttons#Webmentions_Accepted
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tantek also swentel :)
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jmac Nate Cull's attitude on Twitter is admittedly rather more acid than I would have employed, but it does back up my observation that literally nobody I know outside of these IRC channels (and the one blogger I follow who got me into it) has heard of IndieWeb. I can totally respect the notion that the hackers need to work in monastic peace, but boy howdy there is a visibility problem. I dunno, maybe the solution is to set up a separate IndieWeb Ombudsman
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jmac Group of some kind.
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aaronpk It strikes me as arrogant to say that a group that has been running public events in cities all over the world for the past 7 years whose members are part of many other groups including the W3C, as well as giving talks at many conferences is somehow sitting in obscurity
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jmac I'm sorry, I don't mean to deny or diminish all the work you and the rest of the group has accomplished (and which has been cycling around in my brain for months now). All I really mean to express is the surprise I felt to discover this amazing thing that's been happening where I couldn't see it for years, and then seeing that reaction again and again among my colleagues in the months since when I bring it up
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jmac Publicity is *really hard* and if I sounded like I was implying that y'all have been willfully doing a bad job with it, I apologize
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aaronpk No it's okay, i know publicity is hard, and I also know that publicity too early can totally kill things
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[tantek] Jmac it’s ok. The dev world is obsessed with so much cargo cult nonsense from blockchain to “everything must be an app”, and the web dev world is similarly obsessed with the JS framework / loader / component model du jour that it’s nearly pointless to try to fight all that hype with actual practical things
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[tantek] I mean, be my guest if you can figure out how to fight inflated ephemeral vapors with modest but functional and longer lasting actual code
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[tantek] In general folks on this community have found that what works is gettin stuff working for themselves that they can incorporate into daily use, and then iterating on that. That’s helped indieweb grow steadily, calmly, and organically
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[tantek] Most importantly, with sound footing
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jmac Nod
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[chrisaldrich] I'm finding that it's easier to meet people where they live... Reaching out on Mastodon seems to be a bit more helpful.
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jacky when it's not down at least
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jacky the instance I 'live' on, https://mastodon.xyz has an expired TLS cert :(
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tantek oh boy
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chrisaldrich I'm not on Mastodon much, but in the past week I've found that the main mastodon.social instance has been down a few times...
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jacky.wtf edited /events/2018-06-13-homebrew-website-club (+18) "/* San Francisco */" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /Template:JackyAlcine (-6) (view diff)
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jacky it sucks b/c Mastodon (and other big ActivityPub servers like it) are becoming points of failure
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jacky and it doesn't seem like people are taking in practices to keep them up and running
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jacky like with mastodon.xyz, a cron job could have prevented this :(
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Loqi [superfeedr] "👓 I believe in the IndieWeb. It needs to believe in itself. | Jason McIntosh" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-05 http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/04/i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself-jason-mcintosh/
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yatil.net edited /2018/Düsseldorf/Guest_Book (+296) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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yatil.net edited /2018/Düsseldorf/Guest_Book (+53) "/* Guest Book */" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-05-05-session-grid-dusseldorf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-05-05-session-grid-dusseldorf.jpg"
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vanderven.se martijn created /2018/Düsseldorf/Sessions (+1963) "Created page with "'''<dfn>Sessions</dfn>''' for [[2018/Düsseldorf|IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2018]]: 5 May, 2018. == Saturday 2018-05-05 == {|border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse;" cell..."" (view diff)
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wolkenbruch.net edited /2018/Düsseldorf/Guest_Book (+83) (view diff)
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wolkenbruch.net edited /2018/Düsseldorf/Guest_Book (+39) (view diff)
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seblog.nl edited /2018/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+51) "reschedule" (view diff)
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Zegnat Was a group photo taken at lunch break, sebsel?
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sebsel no
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sebsel sknebel help me remind :P
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seblog.nl created /2018/Düsseldorf/gdpr (+3905) "move from Etherpad to wiki" (view diff)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reposting link because Twitter apparently doesn't know ..." by John Evdemon on 2018-05-05 http://www.evdemon.org/2018/05/05/reposting-link-because-twitter-apparently-doesnt-know
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Learn more about #indieweb replies here. ..." by John Evdemon on 2018-05-05 http://www.evdemon.org/2018/05/05/learn-more-about-indieweb-replies-here
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