#meta 2018-05-26

2018-05-26 UTC
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jgmac1106 Didn't want to do a post about this so I could share my thoughts openly without broadcasting. I am worried Wordpress and #IndieWeb make it sound more about compliance than community. When we have to say things like , "There are only two #IndieWeb themes," or there is a "branded" plug-in that is a meta-installer for "X" other plug-ins it makes the #IndieWeb sound more like a process than principles.
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tantek jgmac1106: always start with the use-case - and that should drive you towards recommending current solutions for implementing them (whichever themes / plugins), plus how to implement them yourself (community)
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jgmac1106 And after trying to blog and think about the process I know I am one of the biggest offenders. Looking back at my instrument designs 14 days later it was about coleting X steps and askign about the use of Y plug-ins. So as I wrap up my fourteen day #IndiewWeb all-in on WordPress experiment I want to leave with a commitment of stressing that if you are carving out your little corner of the web you are #IndieWeb. Sure their ar
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jgmac1106 tools and plug ins that can allow deeper connections but start on just controlling who you are when hanging online
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tantek "compliance" only matters in as much as it helps you achieve your goals of enabling new user-centric use-cases for people with their own sites
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jgmac1106 tantek++
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tantek right, all of these "tools" and "processes" are towards the goal of controlling and owning who you are when you're online, including replacing some of your "social media" habits with "personal media" habits
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tantek (I just made that up - re: replacing some of your "social media" habits with "personal media" habits)
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jgmac1106 I’ll go with community media habits
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jgmac1106 but you need to run with that phrase
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tantek that still sounds like you're doing it for someone else - the "community"
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tantek whereas "personal media" emphasizes the you're doing it for yourself, you're in control, aspects
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tantek "community media" habits are like actively contributing to open source, contributing ot the IndieWeb wiki, contributing here in chat
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tantek also good, but not why you adopt certain tools etc. for your website
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jgmac1106 Being able to define what happens to the media you share, yeah I dig it, but the more folks I meet around the world the more I understand control of self over contribution to community has deep western cultural influences
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tantek "social media" has been already defined by "deep western cultural influences"
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tantek technology and UX design propagate the cultures they were born in
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jgmac1106 I still am firmly in the “Its my shit, I will do with it what I want” camp but its just so interesting to see how ontology an depistemology plays out across the globe.
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jgmac1106 IThat makes sense. I am of the silo generation
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jgmac1106 I lived on prodigy in Middle school and beyond the Anarchist Cookbook I downloaded from a BB I didn’t do the web until AOL
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jgmac1106 tantek: "social media" has been already defined by "deep western cultural influences" and this is where I worry a bit. The focus on self in #indieweb. Does that propoagate the same thing?
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jgmac1106 well like I said earlir #FridatNightPhilosophyAlwaysTheWorst
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jgmac1106 good night all, going to take few days offline in rememberance and to hang with family
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Loqi ciao
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tantek_ is eating dinner and listening to IndieWeb podcasts, which are now queing up faster than I can manage to make time to listen to them!
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tantek_ schmarty++
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tantek_ cleverdevil++
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tantek_ GWG++
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tantek_ so much better than Netflix :)
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GWG tantek_: What specifically? The podcast or what I said on it?
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schmarty 🎉🎧
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GWG schmarty: I still prefer 🦆⛵️
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schmarty 🦆⛵️ is also very good
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GWG schmarty: Excited about IWS
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schmarty Yes!! I am very much looking forward to it. I need to get myself organized in terms of projects for IWS.
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GWG schmarty: Me too
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schmarty Thankfully it’s midweek so I can put “live TWITIWAE” on the back burner. ;)
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tantek_ GWG both, all, for podcasting at all!
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GWG I don't have any projects I'm sure I can do by then
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schmarty GWG: I have been really enjoying your podcast with chrisaldrich! Good chats. Great to see you adding podcast related features to your site(s).
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GWG I'll try to do another one next week
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tantek_ Jeremy's talk is brilliant
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tantek_ adactio++
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schmarty I really enjoyed that video! Lots of good indieweb content coming out recently.
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tantek_ aww he was talking about Twitter support of rel=me 😂
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tantek_ yeah RelMeAuth!
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tantek_ demo of IndieAuth.com!
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schmarty Oof yeah I think the twitter rel=“me” issue may have a long tail of pain for newcomers.
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schmarty Haha oh you are watching it now!
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tantek_ wow he jumped from IndieAuth to Micropub!
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tantek_ this would be a great keynote
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tantek_ PESOS and POSSE
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tantek_ backfeed with Bridgy
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tantek_ tommorris++ for the 🎉 Have Fun principle
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tantek_ that is a great talk
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tantek_ did we get a bump in folks showing up after that talk?
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schmarty i'm not sure! i don't believe anyone mentioned it here in any of the chats.
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tantek_ looks like it was from February! https://twitter.com/andybudd/status/963909338036281344
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@andybudd .@adactio kicking off @webstock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWB-R1wU8AETn0r.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/963909338036281344)
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tantek_ Yes, 2018-02-14 https://twitter.com/adactio/status/963868381215674368
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@adactio Waiting in the wings of @Webstock, getting ready to open the show—*gulp*! https://adactio.com/notes/13441 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWBZLvJX0AIg_fQ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/963868381215674368)
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tantek_ from: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=webstock%20adactio&src=typd
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GWG schmarty: You have the room, right? I need to cancel the backup reservation
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Loqi [superfeedr] "📺 re:publica 2018 – Jim Groom: Domain of One’s Own: Reclaim Your Data | YouTube" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-26 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/25/republica-2018-jim-groom-domain-of-ones-own-reclaim-your-data-youtube/
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schmarty GWG: I have the room! Would you like me to forward you the confirmation details?
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GWG No, just checking
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Ein IndieWeb Podcast" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2018-05-26 https://notiz.blog/2018/05/26/ein-indieweb-podcast/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Ein IndieWeb Podcast" by Matthias Pfefferle on 2018-05-26 http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/notizblog/~3/smjmq2PEvR4/
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aaronpk oh cool I want to watch that video
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aaronpk https://vimeo.com/265121482 🎉
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-05-26 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/26/repost-of-detlef-stern-tweet-about-an-indieweb-podcast/
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aaronpk Anyone know the status of IndieWebCamp Berlin? The wiki says tentative still
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Zegnat Did tantek talk with people about it when he was there? (Vague recollection...)
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aaronpk Yes! Just got a response back from Joschi
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aaronpk [grantcodes]: are you going to make it to indieweb summit this year?
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GWG The more the merrier
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aaronpk and [cleverdevil]/[grantcodes] would you be up for doing a demo of Together during the summit keynotes?
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GWG aaronpk, that reminds me. You said something about demoing Indieauth and including the WordPress plugin?
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aaronpk for IWS?
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aaronpk or was that about the decentralized web meetup?
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GWG Decentralized Web Meetup maybe
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aaronpk yeah i'm hoping to demo indieauth there and would like to include the wordpress plugin as part of that
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GWG Anything you need me to do beforehand?
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aaronpk not til I start making my slides at least
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GWG Okay
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aaronpk i'm hoping i'll be able to just take a fresh wordpress and install the plugin and it'll work
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GWG It should
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GWG But I am always surprised when it doesn't
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