#meta 2018-10-07
2018-10-07 UTC
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Guest74681 oh get a big soldering iron then
# Guest74681 Very no
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[jgmac1106] I won't speak to why Rose is attending the event. I will just note she said as woman Codes of Conduct make her feel safer....If having explicit expectations of behavior, a single page on a wiki makes events for attractive fro unde rprivledged people I don't see the harm in having one
# [jgmac1106] you can have toxic behavior that doesn't break the law that can ruin an event. Really saying you will attend no events that have Code of Conduct feels a little strange. What is wrong with saying "Be nice to people. If you feel someone isn't being nice to you here are three people you can talk to."
# [jgmac1106] behavior is subjective....I don't think we can apply humanistic positivism as to what counts as "good behavior" I make behaivor contracts in every classroom I have ever taught from kindergarten to college, they work
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[Rose] For those who are going to do the right thing anyway they contribute by adding to the rules, for those who might have seen things differently it's a clear indicator as to what should be done here. Especially if you have more than one culture in a place then things get sticky quickly otherwise 🙂
# [jgmac1106] but I don't say hitting person two times will result in....I say keep hands to your self.....Embrace subjectivity rather than striving for an objective ideal...but now we are debating truth and getting into philosophy,,,,but if having a CoC of conduct means getting more women and people of color to feel safe at events I will accept losing 1-2 people who do not believe in having CoC
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Zegnat It is still interesting to hear if the people the events would be “losing” have any specific complaints about the CoC that could be addressed. From what I read from cweiske there isn’t much we could address in his case, as it seems to be more of a principle thing – which I respect in and off it self – but maybe there are others.
# [jgmac1106] I agree I am looking for the link for [cweiske] to add his criticism that CoC's are too subjective and cover what the law already disallows
# [jgmac1106] though I did notice as I typed his user his status update is "I hate you I still hate you"....sure just an old joke
# Zegnat The fact that there isn’t 1 IndieWeb GmbH LLC AB Inc that takes care of all the events also makes the whole thing a lot more variable. The same goes for HWCs. Sometimes meetups have been at venues with their own rules (e.g. there have been those that required attendents to give their name at the front desk), have been part of bigger events with separate rules, etc.
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@jgmac1106 @downes I was talking to @zegnat (@martijnvdven) in #IndieWeb dev channel. Easiest approach to webmention badges will be to use http://webmentions.io (on each activity page), have PHP form that generates HTML file and uses telegraph to send the… http://jgregorymcverry.com/7747-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1048931831918284805)
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# [jon] Ashe Dryden’s discussion of why events should have codes of conducts has a good summary of why I (and many others) won’t go to events without CoC’s: “Choosing to only attend events with a Code of Conduct means you are supporting and sending a clear message to conferences that have thought about the safety and comfort of all of their attendees - the Code of Conduct signals a concious committment to that.”
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# Zegnat code-of-conduct-why << [https://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq#coc101why Why should an event have one? Why should I choose to only attend events with one?] from [https://www.ashedryden.com/ Ashe Dryden]’s <cite>Codes of Conduct 101 + FAQ</cite>.
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.ashedryden.com/blog/codes-of-conduct-101-faq#coc101why Why should an event have one? Why should I choose to only attend events with one?] from [https://www.ashedryden.com/ Ashe Dryden]’s <cite>Codes of Conduct 101 + FAQ</cite>." to the "See Also" section of /code-of-conduct-why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=52619&oldid=47857
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aaronparecki.com edited /code-of-conduct-why (+38) "move these sections under an explicit header to make it read better" (view diff)
# sknebel aaronpk: presumably https://api.slack.com/changelog/2018-05-file-threads-soon-tread ?
# aaronparecki.com edited /code-of-conduct-why (+258) "add summary from ashe dryden post" (view diff)
# vanderven.se martijn edited /IRC (+217) "/* Advanced / Admin notes */ Add note about querying current configurations, and it possibly omitting flags." (view diff)
# [Rose] I added it as a minor edit for now: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct-why
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# [jgmac1106] cut and paste the tiny bit [Rose] wants to cite and she can just publish a post with a blockqoute??...or just a file in Git Repo, a with a dump of whatever log you are looking at [aaronpk]
# [jgmac1106] [Rose] it was,is, a crazy IRC spam attack. Hpefully dies down and they can unbutton the hatches a little bit
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# Anchakor Just a random feedback, the CoC seems to be one of the best I've seen. My primary concern about CoCs is how zealot-inclined it is - if a single mistake can ruin a persons career/life. This CoC seems pretty OKish with the "peacefully", "respecfully" wording, might be even nicer to emphasize private conflict-resolution.
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@Dries ↩️ @bmann @patdryburgh @rtanglao @Stv @owenmead @apike I've been thinking about organizing an Indieweb meetup in Boston. (twitter.com/_/status/1049071136791826437)
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@nitishchpr bmann patdryburgh rtanglao Stv owenmead apike I've been thinking about organizing an Indieweb meetup in Boston. (twitter.com/_/status/1049072450338807808)
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