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martymcgui.re uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2018-11-27-hwc-baltimore.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2018-11-27-hwc-baltimore.jpg"
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jeremycherfas What is blockchain
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Loqi blockchain is a technology in search of a problem to solve, pushed by ideology into areas where the unsolved problems aren’t technological https://indieweb.org/blockchain
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jeremycherfas Blockchain << https://newfoodeconomy.org/cargill-blockchain-traceable-turkey-contract-farming-reality-thanksgiving/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://newfoodeconomy.org/cargill-blockchain-traceable-turkey-contract-farming-reality-thanksgiving/" to the "See Also" section of /blockchain https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=54269&oldid=53229
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Loqi Why Cargill’s “blockchain-based” turkeys obscure more than they reveal
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[Vincent] Hello, what is the syntax to add a link to my user profile on the wiki? I can’t figure it out after ages of digging through the wiki docs. Also looking at other examples all seem to be different. V.Confusing!
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sknebel https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline#How_to_make_a_small_h-card_template
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[Vincent] [sknebel] thanks
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sknebel [Vincent]: was that clear enough? sorry for just dropping the link without anything, was in a hurry
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[jgmac1106] [Vincent] but please note having a userpage is not the same as also having a registered /chat-name
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[Vincent] I see how the url part works. How do I setup a registered chatname?
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[jgmac1106] [gRegorLove] [chrisaldrich] [dave] anyone up for vHWC-Americas tonight?
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[Vincent] is it what I am using now?
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[jgmac1106] I do not see you listed here: https://indieweb.org/chat-names
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[jgmac1106] people all the time get confused, page doesn't list if Slack only users should add their names
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[jgmac1106] ...and I don't really know the answer
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Zegnat There is https://indieweb.org/chat-names , that’s what Loqi uses for “Who is…?” questions.
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Zegnat And then a lot of people have created a third page, being a Template:… type page, that they use to refer to themselves on the wiki. That way you can sign your name like I do on pages: {{martijnvdven}}
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Zegnat Then there is your userpage https://indieweb.org/User:…
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jgmac1106 zegnat would a Slak only user add their name to /chat-names
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Zegnat I don’t know exactly how Loqi uses it for Slack users
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jgmac1106 that uses the sprite correct zegnat? the third page or is a sprite (sparkline??) different
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Zegnat I don’t know what you mean by “sprite”. But many people will use the sparkline template inside that third page, yes
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline I remember having to make this
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jgmac1106 I has wrong word..too much time playing with beginner build video games
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Zegnat You don’t “have to” make it. If you aren’t planning on writing on the wiki it is pretty useless to you
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jgmac1106 but is that different than the “third” page you made to sign in with your nick?
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[Vincent] ok thanks for everyone’s help. This is way to complicated to bother doing right now so I’ll park it and look through it this evening!
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Zegnat “to sign in”? You don’t need to create anything to sign in... I think we are mixing up a lot of terminology here, jgmac1106 :P
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jgmac1106 now just trying to think of the steps one takes for 100% wikify: have a rel=me on your webpage, make a user page, make a sparkline
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jgmac1106 optional: make another page to sign in with just your nickname??
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jgmac1106 honestly have HWC tonight and wanna make sure I can explain all the steps
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jgmac1106 oops forgot /chat-name
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jgmac1106 100% wikify: have a rel=me on your webpage, make a user page, add yourself to /chat-name, make a sparkline
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Zegnat 2. Login: this will automatically create your User:… page
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Zegnat 3. Optional: create a Template:… page that contains a minimal h-card for yourself. This can then be used to sign your name on wiki pages
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Zegnat 1. Have a indielogin.com compatible website
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Zegnat 4. Optional, if in chat: add your IRC name to /chat-names using the {{irc user}} template
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jgmac1106 for option 3 do I point them to: https://indieweb.org/Template:sparkline
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat Though I am not sure why we put the info in there
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jgmac1106 yeah [vincet] you should be done, not compliacted for you. Just sign in and you have a page
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Zegnat The sparkline template by itself is literally just an IMG element with some default styling
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Zegnat Really you should just point people at /wikify#Wikify_yourself
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Zegnat If that section is not clear, that should need cleaning up
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (+214) "added ul list of four basic steps" (view diff)
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sknebel jgmac1106: that page does not talk about logging in to the wiki
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jgmac1106 I know, but then where is the one page nuts to bolts “this is how I get on the wiki, make a page, get Loqi see me in chat?” page
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jgmac1106 feel free to revert, but on that page if I get to it it said make my page, but signing in makes the page, trying to make that clearer
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jgmac1106 nobody (inlcluding me) understands the process totally
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jgmac1106 you might know would we tel Slack only users not to register /chat-name
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sknebel why would we do that?
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sknebel they participate in chat, of course they can add themselves there
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (+541) "/* Setup a nickname with a small h-card template */ trying to bring it all to one page" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (+254) "/* How to */" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (+45) (view diff)
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jgmac1106 okay bc it just says IRC only, it confuses people who are Slack only, I will edit that /chat-names page as well and add Slack
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (+77) "tried to be more explicit in steps" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 skenbel the current chat-name tempalte says {{irc user|dunlaps.net/darius|dariusdunlap|America/San_Francisco}} Would it be {{slack user|dunlaps.net/darius|dariusdunlap|America/San_Francisco}} if they only use slack?
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jgmac1106 oops sknebel
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jgmac1106 [vincent] later tonight when you try again can you see if these instructions: https://indieweb.org/wikifying seem clearer? I should record some cognitive labs of users trying to do it. Shouldn’t take an IWC session for people to figure out
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jgmac1106 !tell tantek, aaronpk ,eddie, gRegorlove please look at https://indieweb.org/wikifying and feel free to revert anything or fix it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel I thought someone had renamed the irc user template to a generic name, apparently not
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sknebel so no, there's only one template for all
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /wikifying (-1) (view diff)
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jgmac1106 what is chat-name?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "chat-name" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "chat-name is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 chat-name is [chat-names]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /chat-name (+54) "prompted by jgmac1106 and dfn added by jgmac1106" (view diff)
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jgmac1106 sknebel will anything break if {{irc user|1=|2=|3=|4=}} becomes { user|1=|2=|3=|4=}}
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sknebel should probably have some name that's clearer what it's for. maybe chat-nick or chat-name or something
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jgmac1106 {{chat-name|1=|2=|3=|4=}}
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jgmac1106 I don’t knwo how to change page name: Editing Template:irc user to Editing Template:chat-name
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Template:irc_user (+1) "/* Blank Template */" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Template:irc_user (+1) "/* Examples */ changes irc user to chat-name" (view diff)
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Zegnat You don’t change name, you “move” it. Should be under actions somewhere
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jgmac1106 thx, gotta go, will look later, was already supposed to leave, hope train comes on time
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Zegnat I am at work so no access to IndieAuth outside of phone
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Zegnat I should get my WebAuthn setup soon so I can login with a physical token isntead of a password. That would fix this
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jgmac1106 begs the question where is the somewhere Actions lives? I checkd [[actions]] and [[Acrtions]] is it on wikify?
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Loqi I agree
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Zegnat I thought that was the name of the button in the mediawiki UI
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Zegnat Sorry if it isn’t
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Zegnat You can edit a page, and you should also have a menu to do other things with a page, which includes moving/removing/etc
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Zegnat I thought that menu was called something like actions
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jgmac1106 I will look later but anyone else can feel free to redirect or “move” page or rewind., but folks like [vincent] should be able to figure this out without assistance or having to return (except for moar content)
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jeremycherfas If you are on Edit page in the wiki, there is a More menu label, Clicking on that exposes Delete and Move
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jeremycherfas Where do you want to move it to?
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jgmac1106 Editing Template:chat-name
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www.jeremycherfas.net moved /Template:irc_user to /Template:chat-user "More inclusive, especially for people on Slack"
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/Template:irc_user#Blank_Template to https://indieweb.org/Template:chat-names#Blank_Template
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Zegnat Probably shouldn’t be chat-names, doesn’t make a lot of sense for a name to use a plural template
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Zegnat Woops, work calls, good luck!
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jeremycherfas Is that OK?
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[jgmac1106] yeah
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[jgmac1106] thx
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[Vincent] @jmac1106 will take a look and post back thanks
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sknebel [jgmac1106]: can you please finish the template move later? (make sure it's called the new name everywhere, all links to it are updated, ...)
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[jgmac1106] [sknebel] sure, will garden during HWC
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[tantek] are we making extra unnecessary work for people?
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Loqi [tantek]: jgmac1106 left you a message 4 hours, 36 minutes ago: ,eddie, gRegorlove please look at https://indieweb.org/wikifying and feel free to revert anything or fix it.
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[tantek] re: all the wikifying edits
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[tantek] ok will try to take a look
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Zegnat [tantek], maybe? As I said to [jgmac1106] most of the steps for documenting yourself on the wiki should be optional. But if someone does want to make use of the optional niceties (e.g. add to /chat-names for photo in logs) it doesn’t hurt to have it as easy as possible so we do not end up fielding questions about it
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www.svenknebel.de edited /Mumble (+99) "note recommended android client" (view diff)
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[tantek] Zegnat, agreed about "as easy as possible", disagree about the adding more and repetitive text to a page already mostly text
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[tantek] as in, that doesn't make it easier, that makes it more glaze-likely
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Zegnat Oh, I haven’t actually checked out any of the edits that were happening from work
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Zegnat Just know what went by here in chat
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[tantek] sees how easy it is to join the vHWC EU Mumble
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jgmac1106 What is mumble?
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Loqi Mumble is open-source voice chat software, with clients available for both desktop and mobile, as well as web browsers https://indieweb.org/Mumble
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jgmac1106 darn I know I have a mumble guide somewhere on wiki…I think it was early on, wonder if is one of my subpages
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[tantek] [tantek] set the channel topic: community related: event planning, wiki gardening, anything about the community rather than your personal site. https://chat.indieweb.org/meta
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tantek.com created /indieweb-challenge (+32) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /challenges (-8) "indieweb challenge" (view diff)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] just noticed your edit to /welcoming
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[tantek] I agree with a broader consideration of names for such examples, we found these links that have some prior discussion about such concerns/opportunities: http://cryptocouple.com/#cultural-interpretations-of-alice-and-bob and https://web.archive.org/web/20131205064820/https://profpartha.webs.com/publications/alicebob.pdf
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[tantek] I for one like the idea of using names that are mnemonics for the roles in a protocol
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[tantek] e.g. for Webmention, using names that start with S and T for the roles of source / sender and target
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[tantek] could also expand that to a name starting with V for vouch
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[tantek] similarly C and S names for client and server for Micropub
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[tantek] and maybe we can rethink SWAT0 names similarly as well
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boffosocko.com edited /academic_samizdat (+1497) "/* Examples in the Wild */ Zeynep Tufekci's self-hosted copy of her book with creative commons licensing" (view diff)
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Zegnat What is samizdat?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "samizdat" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "samizdat is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[jgmac1106] samizdat is [[academic_samizdat]]
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /samizdat (+30) "prompted by Zegnat and redirect added by [jgmac1106]" (view diff)
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Zegnat Hahaha, guess I am forced to go read the page to figure out what that term is
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Zegnat what is samizdat?
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Loqi Academic samizdat is the act of publishing one's academic work on one's own website (generally making it freely available) while it also appears in a for-profit publication (functioning like a silo) which often charges an exorbitant rate for individual downloads of the same content https://indieweb.org/samizdat
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Loqi Zegnat: lol
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[jgmac1106] almost need a cue when people are asking questions to humans
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[jgmac1106] 🤚what is samizdat?
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[jgmac1106] I can raise my hand and ask
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Zegnat We are human first, so always answer as if explaining to a human
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gRegorLove [schmarty]: I like the audio summaries of Berlin sessions
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[schmarty] [gRegorLove]: thanks! aaronpk was the one who put it all together. he had a compact wireless mic that was handed around the room during day 1 wrap-up. then we wrote and i recorded a little script for me to intro/outro and name all the sessions.
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[schmarty] i think it's a really great way to summarize what happened for folks that couldn't be there or who couldn't attend every session!
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[jgmac1106] this is zamzidat: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/openpedagogycasestudy.html
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Loqi [J. Gregroy McVerry] Open Pedagogy: Comparative Case Study of #IndieWeb and #ds106
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calumryan schmarty++
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+62) "/* What */ commitments, challenge" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+14) "/* San Francisco */ indie event, rsvp me" (view diff)
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calumryan.com edited /events/2018-11-28-homebrew-website-club (+92) "/* Photos */ London" (view diff)
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tomasparks.name created /voice-comments (+634) "Created page with "I've been looking into sending voice comments via [[webmentions]], the [http://www.opus-codec.org Opus codec] has become the default audio codec for the internet. == uses ==..."" (view diff)
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doubleloop.net edited /events/2018-12-12-homebrew-website-club (+9) "/* Where */ Add London event" (view diff)
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calumryan Thanks to doubleloop who will be organizing December’s HWC London!
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calumryan doubleloop++
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sknebel doubleloop++ without a space in front :D
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+49) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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vincentp.me created /Template:Vincent (+127) "setting up my h-card" (view diff)
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[Vincent] [jgmac1106] ++
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[Vincent] got my h-card setup and working on the Wiki so I can contribute a bit more. Thanks.
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[jgmac1106] did you find the directions easier to follow?
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[jgmac1106] Vincent++ for getting h-card on wiki
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] have you gotten New Haven folks to join the chat?
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[jgmac1106] yeah two so far
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[jgmac1106] https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1067914971621847040 but still just me alone...slowly but surely we will grow
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@jgmac1106 Homebrew Website Club New Haven Kicking Off https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtH_AZLXgAEDEbV.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1067914971621847040)
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] what is the deadline for getting post-HWC pics and posts up for the newsletter again?