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gRegorLove Welcome to the conversation, HN :)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @kevinmarks: I should file bugs against mastodon's h-entry, h-feed and atom markup to improve these at source (twitter.com/_/status/1075906125709656065)
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[kevinmarks] did me restarting post that again?
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[kevinmarks] notelive bug
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@JmacDotOrg In 2018 I discovered the promise of IndieWeb and dabbled with it, making some modest contributions and becoming thoroughly sold on its potential. I hope to contribute significantly in 2019 (after tying up at least one prior commitment). I want to help people take back the web. (twitter.com/_/status/1075918933788635136)
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@JmacDotOrg There’s no clear answer to this, and that’s something I hope to help with! The official answer is https://indieweb.org, an amazingly comprehensive wiki that (imho) doesn’t really summarize or sell the tech, yet. My own so-far posts on it: http://fogknife.com/tags/indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/1075921778428571649)
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ Summarizing my IndieWeb ideals in one tweet: 1. Own a domain, and post your stuff to it, rather than to corporate “silos”. (You can syndicate to em, though.) 2. Use Microformats2, semantic metadata embedded in HTML. 3. Use Webmention, a protocol that lets sites cross-comment. (twitter.com/_/status/1075922979031314432)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here is an overview of how it looks from a writing and reading experience: https://twitter.com/HoppingFun/status/1075920509177618432 @jMacDotOrg lets make it a resolution, you @eduquinn and I organize an @indiewebcamp meet up (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1zze2) (twitter.com/_/status/1075923266802515968)
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[jgmac1106] !rt https://twitter.com/JmacDotOrg/status/1075922979031314432?s=19
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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@EduQuinn ↩️ I can commit to that. I’m where @JmacDotOrg was a year ago. My site essentially hosts my presentation materials. I want to get better so I can help our students & educators join the #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1075927259368878080)
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jgregorymcverry.com created /graphics (+236) "adding a page for common community assets" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.svg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.svg"
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jgregorymcverry.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png"
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jgregorymcverry.com deleted /File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png "wrong version"
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jgregorymcverry.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png"
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[tantek] !rt https://twitter.com/JmacDotOrg/status/1075922979031314432
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Loqi Thanks [tantek] and [jgmac1106]! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1075931287553077248
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jgregorymcverry.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:IndieWebCircleNoText.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebCircleNoText.png"
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jgregorymcverry.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:IndieWebLinear.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:IndieWebLinear.png"
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /graphics (+490) "/* Illustrations and Sketch Notes */ added illustrations" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] not sure what I am doing wrong here: https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes
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@JmacDotOrg ↩️ I am on record of wanting to start a regular, technology-neutral meetup focusing on the open web in New England, maybe in PVD (where I find myself at the moment). Would be pleased to discuss this more in email: jmac@jmac.org (twitter.com/_/status/1075934512578744325)
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[tantek] snaps fingers, and disappears half the "File:"s in [jgmac1106] /graphics page
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/Special:Upload has file:file twice
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[jgmac1106] now I know why I am going crazy trying to add images, started just getting url from source code
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[jgmac1106] ohh the secodn file is the File name duh
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Sweeet! @eduqinn has my email. You are right starting off with a few #IndieWeb meetups to see if there is interest for regular Hombrew website Clubs is a great idea! Dave can connect us all after holiday. Love to to get out to PVD. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1y07QW) (twitter.com/_/status/1075936096494780418)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Ohh and @IndieWebCamp New Haven is happening end of March. Hope to see everyone there as well. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/294eLN) (twitter.com/_/status/1075936380939841536)
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[jgmac1106] thx for the help tantek
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[jgmac1106] offf to bed started with one sick kid ended the night with three, now its just me left standing playing russian roulette with the stomach bug
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] mind if I change the diagram to make the POSSE/Backfeed webmention orange arrows come from Janice instead of Isabel? I think POSSE/Backfeed makes more sense for original posts rather than comments/replies
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[jgmac1106] Yeah change all you want. It's a fist draft by the community
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[jgmac1106] I tried the svg Something not compatible with gDrawing export
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[tantek] I'm editing something you linked to called "Copy of IndieWeb Building Block Circle-original"
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[jgmac1106] Yeah that works. Then just export the png and swap it out
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[jgmac1106] Going to try and find someone to record a two minute video demoing how it works... Remix it all together
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[tantek] I thought I saw you also editing it
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[jgmac1106] I did but then made my own copies. Drawings doesn't have good real time collaboration IMO
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[jgmac1106] The microsub logo is just the websub logo upside down... But it works. The arrow points from web to reader
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[jgmac1106] Will be something to really do with CSS... Thinking about how stories collapse in fun ways
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] finished editing it - can you take a look? You likely understand the exporting etc. better
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[eddie] tantek Do you think the diagram is big enough for us to count for IndieWeb challenge? [jgmac1106] had a good blog post even talking about it
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[tantek] my fixes: 1. have Janice (original poster) instead of Isabel do the POSSE/backfeed with silos, 2. a bunch of grammar, spelling etc. fixes
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eddiehinkle.com edited /2018-12-indieweb-challenge (+109) "+indieweb podcast for dec 19" (view diff)
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[eddie] Oh it says I need access
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[tantek] I have to run, are you or [jgmac1106] able to export an updated diagram and embed it
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[tantek] weird I clicked the link on /graphics to the document and edited it
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[tantek] Oh I see [jgmac1106] added a microformats logo and text after I'd made a copy
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[tantek] huh - this Google Drawing for collaboration thing is not really working
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[jgmac1106] Partly my fault. I made my own copies and started editing those. The links I posted on wiki create new copies
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[tantek] eddie can you see https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1WO8M3pzF6ElsSNzGh9yBUIIfsx3kzHDjgxQpO3FJH2M/edit
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[tantek] oops not that one
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[tantek] now I'm losing track of too many copies
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[tantek] try this one: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1Siw13FU5dqCLkNoyKUzwjx74iK6__Rl81X1YmhIa56o/edit
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-12-21.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek ok *this* link should work at least for viewing: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1QMSRWqWKP9_GpFMPMADx2iOIMw0f6SU_6NGaQ39nrFQ/edit?usp=sharing
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tantek.com edited /graphics (+12) "link to new viewable Google Drawing" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:IndieWebBuildingBlockCircle.png]]"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /graphics (+160) "note necessary updates needed for remaining graphics" (view diff)
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[tantek] alright, since I didn't hear anything I figured out how to upload a PNG as well to provide an updated diagram
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[tantek] Thanks [jgmac1106] - I only made minor modifications to tweak mf2 logo, who POSSEs, and some grammar/spelling/wording fixes: https://indieweb.org/graphics#Illustrations_and_Sketch_Notes
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[tantek] Feel free to continue iterating (e.g. X-ing out a few social media logos in the cluster of silos like FB/IG/G+), I believe I shared a writable Google Drawing link to [jgmac1106] and [eddie] at least
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[eddie] tantek yeah, I was fighting the baby who was in refusal to stay asleep
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[eddie] Awesome, great job!
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[eddie] I definitely think the updates were helpful.
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eddiehinkle.com edited /2018-12-indieweb-challenge (+132) "Add today’s illustration" (view diff)
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[eddie] I’m won’t be able to edit it until tomorrow but I’m thinking we could remove Facebook and Google+ since you essentially can’t POSSE those anymore
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[tantek] Makes sense. Remove or X them out
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@jackyalcine Looking to #DeleteFacebook? Check out the #IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started Or even peer into the #Fediverse http://joinmastodon.org/ + https://instances.social/ (twitter.com/_/status/1075977017005244416)
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@jansauer @googlechrome @firefox After learning how push notification work ... Is there a way to choose or run my own push server? #privacy @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1076034130062819329)
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@janboddez Your content is yours. You are better connected. You are in control. 'What is the IndieWeb?' https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1076035588359360513)
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[kevinmarks] Why post as png rather than svg?
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@RS500Guy Day one of shifting from Facebook to Indieweb publishing. All my content and photos will be here at https://warsing.org with a cross-post to my Twitter feed. https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1076040650431307777)
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[jgmac1106] http://publ.beesbuzz.biz/blog/1048-Embedding-webmention-io-pings-on-your-site can already coubt for the day from Fluffy
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@_edjw I agree with last 2 RTs. Blogs are great. I wish we all used them. But we don’t have a simple enough blogging product with people-connecting features for people to replace FB with a blog. #indieweb is making the infrastructure but we need a better product https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbanny/we-should-replace-facebook-with-personal-websites (twitter.com/_/status/1076073847894560774)
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@Johannes_Ernst ↩️ @_edjw How would you think such a better #indieweb product would come into existence? Funding? Business model? (twitter.com/_/status/1076166713706565634)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Same way all #IndieWeb tools are built, someone has a personal goal for their site and they build it, then someone else wants it, then someone else wants. We are economic agnostic (though I am personally pulling for co-op models) (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/hTSwC) (twitter.com/_/status/1076181609391493125)
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sknebel !tell aaronpk: I can haz https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateSandbox installed plz?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk ok here goes
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Loqi aaronpk: sknebel left you a message 3 minutes ago: I can haz https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateSandbox installed plz?
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aaronpk done
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sknebel aaronpk++ thank you!
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Loqi aaronpk has 52 karma in this channel over the last year (280 in all channels)
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@Johannes_Ernst ↩️ There is a big difference in how much time and effort it takes to make something work for yourself, or for many other users. In the #indieweb world, we have managed to do the first, but not the second IMHO. (twitter.com/_/status/1076201103014809600)
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@huffduffer An Indieweb Podcast Episode 12 – Gutenberg – David Shanske https://huffduffer.com/mrkrndvs/517039 (twitter.com/_/status/1076219378616725505)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-12-21.html
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[tantek] Heya if it’s not too late, is anyone up for hacking [jgmac1106]’s building blocks flow diagram into a photo for the newsletter?
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[tantek] You’d have to be quick with making a “fake” one day event on /events for it linking to the /graphics wiki page and then markup /graphics with h-event including the top png with the photosrcalt template
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[tantek] You’ve got 8 minutes :)
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aaronpk 😂
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[tantek] 7
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tantek.com edited /Events (+392) "fake event part 1" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /graphics (+367) "h-event for the newsletter with hopefully minimum needed properties" (view diff)
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[tantek] Here goes nothing
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-12-21.html
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk ooh transparent png... wonder what twitter thinks of that
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[tantek] 😂🎉
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[tantek] ok new idea for newsletter based on that hack as a use-case
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2018-12-21.html (twitter.com/_/status/1076254745684148224)
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[tantek] ^^^ looks like the PNG didn't make it through to Twitter
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[tantek] but I did get it in the email version
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[tantek] Two things:
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aaronpk oh i think i remember now...
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[tantek] 1. new pages list, if there's a u-featured image on the page, show it as a thumbnail next to the new page name
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aaronpk i think twitter only accepts jpgs
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sknebel no, you can use png on twitter
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aaronpk lemme check the code then
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[tantek] 2. photos for the tweet, add new pages featured images to the list of places to check for images
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aaronparecki.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:google-maps-plus-codes.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:google-maps-plus-codes.png"
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sknebel there's the interesting hack to get high-quality images on Twitter: if they are full-color PNGs that contain transparency, they don't get turned to JPG
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[tantek] this way we can create a new page like /graphics, give it a u-featured image to promote it, and have it be lower priority than any photos from events but still show up if there aren't enough from events
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sknebel so people post their art with a single half-transparent pixel in a corner to stop Twitter making it ugly
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[tantek] hah that's a great hack!
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aaronpk oops, looks like it was just hardcoded to look for jpgs and gifs
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aaronpk had to do special handling of gifs because if you include a (animated) gif you can't also include a photo
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[tantek] sknebel, perhaps a good Bridgy Publish feature request 😄
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[tantek] Does Twitter accept APNG?
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sknebel I don't think so
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