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aaronpk That’s not related at all [kevinmarks] lol
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[tantek] seriously
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aaronpk It shares a word in common that’s about it
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[kevinmarks] Eat your cooking then
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tantek.com edited /dogfood (-8) "add Criticism section, move Gitea example to its own page, not particularly illustrative" (view diff)
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[tantek] dogfood << https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1047117784109453313
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1047117784109453313" to the "See Also" section of /dogfood https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56242&oldid=56241
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[tantek] dogfood << https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1047118557333610497
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/1047118557333610497" to the "See Also" section of /dogfood https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56243&oldid=56242
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] ^^^ those two permalinks on your domain are currently 404
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] oops that's a bad tell
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] these permalinks seem to 404: http://jgregorymcverry.com/7603-2/ and http://jgregorymcverry.com/7605-2/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /dogfood (+65) "criticism: Negative gender and cultural associations" (view diff)
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gRegorLove There's some prior discussion and alternatives https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#Discussion
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (+5) "uncomment Austin" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I love the lightsaber one as a geek, but don't think it's a good option as an approachable term, necessarily
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[tantek] [gRegorLove] indeed
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gregorlove.com edited /selfdogfood (+165) "/* Discussion */ note negative connotation of drink the Kool-Aid" (view diff)
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aaronpk Was that not already there??
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gRegorLove the negative part? no
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aaronpk Wow
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[tantek] apparently Kyle heard that at IWC and just documented it? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=selfdogfood&type=revision&diff=10824&oldid=9957
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[tantek] been there since mid 2014
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aaronpk I know we’ve had this discussion before
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[tantek] kevinmarks keeps criticizing it but not documenting his criticisms 😕
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[tantek] the discussions will keep repeating until someone writes it down
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[tantek] "eat your cooking" has a nice parallel structure with "own your data"
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jacky right both requiring self-driven interest to a goal
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[tantek] wow the selfdogfood page is a mess
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[tantek] perspectives, posts, discussion, really?
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jacky there's a lot of content going out from there
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@jackyalcine ↩️ We can do better now though. We have the know-how and experience too. Personally, opting for something like http://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org/ via https://indielogin.com would be a BIG sell (twitter.com/_/status/1092946592879931394)
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cog.dog edited /silo-quits (+938) "/* Silo quitters 2016 */ Alan Levine @cogdog" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Ugg will fix links on wiki after Cub scoutsrather than try to fix from here. I don't even remember putting them there.. Was never advocating community wide. Was my personal choice
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] was never advocating what community wide?
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[jgmac1106] My word choices. Don't have problems with people using their own choices.. I shouldnt have logged in at Cub Scouts... Be online later
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[tantek] ok
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[jgmac1106] Wow! But just realized Alan Levine logged in from his own WP theme and added himself to silo quit... But now going back to a committee planning to plan Cub Scouts ... Joy.... Grrr children... Cogdog be huge WordPress ally.. Back in an hour
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tantek.com edited /2018/Guest_Book (+140) "clarify purpose of this page to reduce confusion / misinterpretation (leaving name as is, as folks added themselves with that context, have fixed in 2019)" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+629) "add brainstorming, merge discussion, cite wikipedia, merge posts into perspectives" (view diff)
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[tantek] attempted some clean-up / gardening of the /selfdogfood page, and captured suggested alternatives: https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#Brainstorming
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[tantek] please review and add more / reasoning for different alternatives
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+49) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (-56) "/* See Also */ de-dupe" (view diff)
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[kevinmarks] Eat what you make: https://www.instagram.com/p/BthTN4lnDKY/
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Loqi [Neil Gaiman] "I love you Snowman," says the small boy, leaning in for what I assume is going to be a kiss until he takes a large bite out of a carrot nose. https://scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fb8176ab2aaeb676272a11ed11c0d3e7/5CE7288D/t51.2885-15/e35/49691171_113794366388058_6672506718428748250_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.cdninstagram.com
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+240) "explicit Criticism section, Limitations, move see alsos to more topical spots, verb eat your cooking - eating their cooking?" (view diff)
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[tantek] attempted more simplifying and clean-up, including explicit criticism and limitations sections pointing to problems people have pointed out
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[tantek] kevinmarks can you review /selfdogfood ? Can likely be improved further but now glazing over from having worked on it so much
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[tantek] hoping we can get it sufficiently cleaned-up to then get a consensus from the community about a replacement, then switch/move page and note "selfdogfood" as historical
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+374) "/* Brainstorming */ goal" (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /selfdogfood (+510) "/* Brainstorming */ add thoughts" (view diff)
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gRegorLove "Why not" reads as an odd heading to me
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gRegorLove It's not actually listing reasons against selfdogfooding
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gRegorLove tantek++ for the cleanup, looking good
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Loqi tantek has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (88 in all channels)
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gRegorLove I'm still not sold on any one particular alternative, heh
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gRegorLove Can we only call it self-champagneing if we're in the region in France? ;) And with that, g'night indieweb.
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@vincentlistens Last night I finished implementing the latest updates to the website design. Micropub content is far better integrated. I also took the time to fix my Microformats implementation. Webmentions should display correctly \o/ #Indieweb #HTML #Micropub #css https://vincentp.me/notes/2019/02/06/07-31/ (twitter.com/_/status/1093051245349273600)
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@cowglow ↩️ @m_ott @Twitter Do you know about the Indie Web? btw, we're having the Homebrew Website Club today at the https://tollwerkstatt.de/ (twitter.com/_/status/1093070257210736641)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @bertil_hatt @alexhern oh boy. https://indieweb.org/RSS (twitter.com/_/status/1093091588845301760)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /selfdogfood (+195) "/* drinking our own champagne */ Potential trigger for some people" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /selfdogfood (-3) "consolidate the why/why not as they are all positives" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /selfdogfood (+212) "/* drinking our own champagne */" (view diff)
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kevinmarks.com edited /selfdogfood (+130) "/* eat your cooking */" (view diff)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /selfdogfood (+46) "/* eat your cooking */ Liked" (view diff)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /Template:jeremycherfas (-9) (view diff)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /chat-names (-18) "/* Nicknames */" (view diff)
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@paulwalk ↩️ Happy to discuss further - I am personally very interested in IndieWeb and it would be cool to see how DC could be specifically relevant in that context (twitter.com/_/status/1093111236672319488)
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jgmac1106 Jeremey saw your note about being sensitive to those in recovery, I am not even sure why people need another metaphor to replace an old metaphor,. I just say “build for yourself” “use what you make” “set your won goals” metaphors have value when they add rather than detract from meaning, sagin just because I do not use self-dogfooding I have no problem with others
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petermolnar self-dogfooding is not build for yourself, it's build for yourself and use it
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kevinmarks.com edited /Facebook (+107) "/* Criticism */" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Wow Paul, thanks for the work on Dublin Core, I added to the page. The hard part is does metadata exist if nothing consumes it? Scalar and Omeka, do not seem to parse DC (best I can tell). In terms of #IndieWeb just encouraging… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/06/paulwalk-wow-paul-thanks-for-the-work (twitter.com/_/status/1093113802575544321)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ You can still include Dublin Core in your site and play with #IndieWeb, many people include LinkedData as well, but most of all our tools rely on a tiny bit of metadata in the HTML called microformats. They can all play nice together but you have to… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/06/you-can-still-include-dublin-core-in (twitter.com/_/status/1093115328941510656)
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jgmac1106 use what you build for yourself
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jgmac1106 seems waay closer to intended meaning than the replacement metaphors being thrown around, and again self-dogfooding is fine, I didn’t want to force my word choices on anyone
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@jgmac1106 Super stoked about Memex https://worldbrain.io/ I have been digging into #IndieWeb annotations and trying to PESOs Annotations so excited to explore, digging into metadata parsing now (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1YK1x2) (twitter.com/_/status/1093119168965238784)
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] I won't be using either of those metaphors myself. If I need one, I might use eat what you cook./ But I probhably won't need one.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 metaphor diets…mmmm
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Awesome! Examples of the consumers are what I need for the Dublin Core #IndieWeb wiki page, in terms of mapping to http://schema.org is hard as DC leaves a few more variables undefined. I shy away from the education vocabs in … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/06/paulwalk-awesome-examples-of-the-consumers-are (twitter.com/_/status/1093123918049759233)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ WoW!!! that is awesome, congrats on the relaunch. We have awesome #IndieWeb tools for Hugo sites you could add: https://indieweb.org/Hugo and if you ever wanted help on creating tools to allow DC->microformats->DC I am sure we have stuff to help (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Diosm) (twitter.com/_/status/1093127448919707648)
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@cswordpress ↩️ @tw2113 Hey the Indieweb plugin just showed up in my dashboard and I've updated it. Yay! (twitter.com/_/status/1093132735626051584)
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blog.kenbauer.me edited /dogfood (+0) "Fixed the Twitter handle for Maha Bali" (view diff)
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@jasonopus Even as I rebuilt my site to be inline w/ certain #IndieWeb best practices, I found myself re-thinking how and why I write online in the first place. https://opuszine.us/posts/becoming-better-writer-thanks-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1093159204150484994)
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[eddie] I do like the "eat what you cook" is short an punchy in the words. Better than eat your cooking
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[eddie] Hmmm I feel like Loqi forgot my tells
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 Trying to work out some final timing issues with the schedule to match up Europe and US if possible. Thinking about the synchronous events being Fri/Sat/Sun evening UTC which would be 3PM Friday for the kickoff. Is that something that is doable or will we need to do two separate kickoffs (one for US and one for Europe)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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sknebel [eddie]: I think you forgot the , when you sent that last night
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[eddie] hmm last time I used the , it didn't work
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[eddie] so I thought it must not need the ,
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[eddie] lots of trickiness with this !tell thing! lol
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[eddie] We should add a nice UI piece for tells to the chat UI 🙂
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[eddie] Doesn't fix it for slack or IRC but it might even encourage people to use the chat interface
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Loqi +1
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[eddie] Thanks, Loqi!
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sknebel I think it needs them to tell that the next word is a username and not the start of the message
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Loqi you're welcome
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[eddie] that makes sense. I've tried it with , and no space. a , and a space and only space
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sknebel the first two should work
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[eddie] and I can never figure out the right way and/or remember the right way
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[eddie] mmmm nope I think , and a space fails
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[eddie] at least it did for me yesterday
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[eddie] so that's why I dropped the comma
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[eddie] that or I'm doing something else wrong too! haha
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aaronpk !tell eddie, sknebel this should work
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] Test
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aaronpk Tho there's a short period of time where Loqi knows you saw it in the channel and won't do it 😂
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[eddie] ahh
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[eddie] haha!
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sknebel maybe Loqi should respond explicitly listing the user names (without highlighting people) so you'd know who it sent it to
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[eddie] Yeah, that might be interesting
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aaronpk without highlighting people?
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[eddie] instead of just saying (them)
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sknebel aaronpk: add zero-width spaces
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aaronpk Does that work??
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sknebel a​aronpk
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aaronpk I assume some irc clients will match the word anyway
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sknebel maybe some strip them, but its fairly widely supported afaik
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aaronpk Could also say the number of people that matched
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[eddie] That works too
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@til_mb Earlier this year Manton and Jean gave a talk at IndieWeb Summit 2018, "http://Micro.blog Community and Progress": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nj3k4MYBMs (twitter.com/_/status/1093196624178888704)
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[tantek] this could use some updates if anyone wants to summarize what's happened since 2013: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_web_syndication_technology (i.e. has no mention of h-feed which has sufficient uptake now per indiemap to be notable)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] ^^^ since you like adding to wikis 🙂
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[tantek] wow lots of great feedback/insights on the /selfdogfood#Brainstorming!
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[jgmac1106] R-F if no one took a look, yeah trying to be more involved in wikipedia thx for link
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: [eddie] left you a message 31 minutes ago: Trying to work out some final timing issues with the schedule to match up Europe and US if possible. Thinking about the synchronous events being Fri/Sat/Sun evening UTC which would be 3PM Friday for the kickoff. Is that something that is doable or will we need to do two separate kickoffs (one for US and one for Europe)
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[jgmac1106] !tell Eddie is jitsi testing vHWC-Europe or tonight for Americas?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] I think we're gonna try for both. The plan is to definitely use it for Americas this evening. Europe is tentatively planning on testing it as well
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Zegnat Europe here, yes, I will setup a room in a bit
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[eddie] 👋 Europe
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[eddie] 😆
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Zegnat Just need to finish munching my dinner
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Zegnat I should have gone Eurovision style “Hello #meta, Sweden calling”
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Loqi agreed.
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[jgmac1106] Eurovision is that singing show right?
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@EddieHinkle I'm hosting virtual Homebrew Website Club Americas this evening. Quiet writing hour is from 9:30 to 10:30 EST, the official meeting will take place from 10:30 EST to 11:30 EST. We'll be using a platform called Jitsi, you can join via audio or video from… https://eddiehinkle.com/2019/02/06/8/note/ (twitter.com/_/status/1093203500962627586)
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loqi.me created /link_post (+21) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] Silly o dark thirty, Pacific hours<---gets coffee after HWC New Haven
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] please take a photo at HWC New Haven - especially if you can get IWC New Haven organizers to show up!
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[tantek] has missed the latest DC drama
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[jgmac1106] No drama, the current head of DCMI wants help to IndieWeb their new Hugo site and since DC falling in popularity best way to map to mf2 and JSON if people want to choose
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[jgmac1106] They haven't launched yet and need to add files on different Metadata types but then he wants help figu2out Hugo
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (+1349) "/* Brainstorming */ add some more opinions with +/0/- and note a few obvious -1s and +1s from content, bold the phrases being discussed" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /selfdogfood (-4) "/* drinking our own champagne */ drink your brew" (view diff)
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Zegnat I have just joined https://meet.jit.si/hwc and am looking at the options on screen
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vanderven.se martijn edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (-196) "/* Virtual European Time */ Currently live on Jitsi!" (view diff)
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Zegnat Hahaha, Eddie joined and imidiately Jitsi told me my connection was poor
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Loqi nice
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jeremycherfas Sorry, haven't been paying attention. Do I need to install jitsi my end, or do I go to a URL?
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loqi.me created /Live_Binder (+332) "prompted by [jgmac1106] and dfn added by [jgmac1106]" (view diff)
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sknebel I see nobody in the jitsi room?
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Zegnat sknebel, are you the greyed out portrait? Haha
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sknebel I don't know?
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[jgmac1106] I have no mic on borrowed computer but works great
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sknebel found wehre to set a name
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[jgmac1106] Wow speaker stats great data for inclusion
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Zegnat sknebel connected!
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sknebel yeah, reloaded the page
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[jgmac1106] Ugg IT disabled all audio devices on the loaner they gave me
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[jgmac1106] Built in etherpad support is nice!
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Zegnat [jgmac1106], that is for security ;)
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[jgmac1106] Well I am gonna go but this is solid.... Makes me want my own server
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[jgmac1106] But sounds like shared version so feature rich no need
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[jgmac1106] I logged in twice for audio but no microphone
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[jgmac1106] There is a chat? Only found the etherpad
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: there's a chat in the bottom left-hand corner.
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[tantek] awww crap my hosting provider just gave me 30 day notice - they are literally shutting down the company and all services (not being sold!)
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aaronpk whoa
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[tantek] what is migration
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Loqi migration in the context of the indieweb refers to the process of moving your indieweb site from any one or more of one CMS / web host / DNS provider / URL design / domain name to another https://indieweb.org/migration
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[schmarty] uhhhhhhh
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[tantek] well then, I guess I get to add more documentation to /migration 😂
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[tantek] no wait, darnit February. 28 days
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[tantek] Gregoriancalendar--
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Loqi Gregoriancalendar has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] the good news is that my domain name is *not* registered with my hosting provider.
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aaronpk that does make things slightly easier
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[tantek] well, looks like I have an IWC Austin project goal 😂
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[cleverdevil] Wowza [tantek]! That's pretty short notice.
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: [tantek] left you a message 2 weeks ago: I had the planning dates for Summit mistakenly off by one - could you double check your dates preferences and update if necessary? Thanks! https://indieweb.org/Planning#Summit
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[cleverdevil] Good luck 😉
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aaronpk how long is vHWC going?
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sknebel aaronpk: typically around 2 hours?
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[schmarty] aaronpk: just got started and still playing w/ jitsi fwiw
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aaronpk i might join in 15 minutes :)
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[tantek] It looks like https://indieweb.org/selfdogfood#Brainstorming is fairly negative on champagne, kool-aid, and lightsabres - anyone want to advocate for those, or may I start moving them to a "Rejected" section? (as in they're all considered worse or no better than "selfdogfood")
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aaronparecki.com edited /selfdogfood (+203) "/* Brainstorming */" (view diff)
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@TaylorJadin Playing around with Known @ http://stream.jadin.me for #IndieWeb stuff on my site. (twitter.com/_/status/1093212153840988160)
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[tantek] jgmac1106++ for being an amazing liaison to DC folks
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Loqi jgmac1106 has 48 karma in this channel over the last year (108 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is DC
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Loqi IndieWebCampDC 2016 is a 2016 IndieWebCamp being planned for Washington DC https://indieweb.org/DC
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[tantek] oops
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[schmarty] haha aww
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tantek.com moved /2016/DC to /Washington_DC "hasn't happened yet"
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Events (+89) "added link to New Haven" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (+65) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /selfdogfood (+114) "/* eat your cooking */" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Washington_DC (+312) "city, historical 2016 IWC attempt" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is dublin core
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Loqi Dublin core The Dublin Core Schema is a small set of vocabulary terms that can be used to describe digital resources (video, images, web pages, etc.), as well as physical resources such as books or CDs, and objects like artworks https://indieweb.org/Dublin_core
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tantek.com moved /Dublin_core to /Dublin_Core "canonical caps"
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tantek.com edited /DC (+4) "redirect to a more recent phrase" (view diff)
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[tantek] DC << Citation for lack of HTML consuming of DC (note authority) https://twitter.com/paulwalk/status/1093110979406237697
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@paulwalk @jgmac1106 @DublinCore (disclaimer: I manage DCMI): Good question :-) There is evidence of DCMI Terms being used in Linked Data in other contexts, but not aware of research into consumption of DC in context of being embedded in webpages. [1/2] (twitter.com/_/status/1093110979406237697)
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Loqi ok, I added "Citation for lack of HTML consuming of DC (note authority) https://twitter.com/paulwalk/status/1093110979406237697" to the "See Also" section of /Dublin_Core https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56289&oldid=56286
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[tantek] DC << http://dublincore.org/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://dublincore.org/" to the "See Also" section of /Dublin_Core https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56290&oldid=56289
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[tantek] interesting, no SSL at DC site
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[tantek] now I don't feel as bad 😂
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aaronpk hey maybe you'll move to a host that has ssl with one checkbox
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@jgmac1106 Hey #edu405 #edu307 #edu305 and all @scsu students tonight we are hosting homebrew website club : https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/02/06/homebrew-website-club-new-haven-1 If you ever wanted to start building your first website or blog want help on your class websites stop by (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1SvIge) (twitter.com/_/status/1093214996857872387)
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@manton2 Homebrew Website Club is 6:30pm at Mozart’s Coffee tonight. We’ll be talking about final plans for IndieWebCamp Austin. Registration for the Feb 23-24 event is open now. https://2019.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/1093215264353718274)
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jkphl.is uploaded /File:hwc-nbg-20190206.jpg "Homebrew Website Club 2019-02-06 https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-nbg-20190206.jpg"
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jkphl.is edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (+122) "/* Photos */" (view diff)
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jkphl.is edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club (+3) "/* Nürnberg */" (view diff)
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sknebel Zegnat [eddie] it threw me out of jitsi and now I can't reconnect :/
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Zegnat Huh
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sknebel it briefly shows the avatars and then its gone again
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Zegnat Hmm. I don’t really have a solution. Clear cookies?
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[eddie] oh strange
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sknebel and again...
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Zegnat I see you connected right now though
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Zegnat sknebel
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sknebel lol
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sknebel can you hear me talking?
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sknebel I don't see anything, just my face
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sknebel Zegnat:
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Zegnat I don’t hear anything
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sknebel now I'm back
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aaronpk testing livestreaming from jitsi https://youtu.be/HY8M0HrxErI
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@jgmac1106 Hey #literacies #DoOO #edtechchat #digped friends who wanted to know more about @IndieWebCamp Online 3/9-3/10 here are the deets: https://indieweb.org/2019/Online RSVP Now! Or ask questions and RSVP later. I'm cool with however you roll (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/11I20Y) (twitter.com/_/status/1093222291935244288)
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[tantek] whoa HWC Austin out of the blue!
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[tantek] and New Haven!
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@jkphl ↩️ @xwolf @webrocker @cowglow @alexcio_ @egoexpress Gut erkannt! UND: Das Rückgrat des @indieweb. ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1093223332021977089)
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aaronpk ah shoot we didn't put the "show me on the guest list" checkbox in the austin tito
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aaronpk so i'm not sure we should show those registrations on the event page
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[kevinmarks] Re light sabres https://twitter.com/girlziplocked/status/1092937242425901056?s=19
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[kevinmarks] Hmm, that was a gif
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aaronpk gifs don't exist on twitter anymore
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[kevinmarks] I'd accept an mp4, but making a jpeg is lame
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aaronpk i think that's just the Loqi preview, not sure why that happened
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[tantek] aaronpk, can we add the checkbox now?
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aaronpk [eddie]: https://2019.indieweb.org/online
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Online
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[tantek] I mean how many registrations have we had so far?
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aaronpk 10 so far
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[tantek] not too late then
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[tantek] and I'm guessing some of them are folks Manton knows and can ask for permission in person to "show on the guest list"?
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[tantek] e.g. tonight at HWC?
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[tantek] regardless let's update the form ASAP!
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aaronpk good plan
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[tantek] (also is that something we need to add to /IndieWebCamp_Organizing ? make sure to put the "show me on the guest list" checkbox in the tito ?)
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aaronpk yep and also the question for your RSVP URL
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aaronpk easiest to clone a previous event
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[tantek] then we should put that (clone a previous event) in the instructions explicitly to avoid this problem in the future
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Zegnat [eddie], one thing we just discovered about the Jitsi livestream: while screensharing seems to work there (yes!) as soon as someone else speaks they get focus priority over the shared screen (aww…)
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Zegnat sknebel, got in a connection loop again?
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sknebel yes
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@xwolf ↩️ @jkphl @webrocker @cowglow @alexcio_ @egoexpress @indieweb Microformats kenn ich schon seit über 12 jahren :) Vgl: https://xwolf.de/2006/08/02/hcalendar-und-microformats/ (twitter.com/_/status/1093226149952524289)
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@xwolf ↩️ @jkphl @webrocker @cowglow @alexcio_ @egoexpress @indieweb (Ich fürchte, wir gehören alle zum Web-Opa-Club) (twitter.com/_/status/1093226552391880705)
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[tantek] aaronpk: re: "maybe you'll move to a host that has ssl with one checkbox", well my host has one recommendation for migration -> /Bluehost - and on their homepage bluehost.com they advertise "FREE SSL Certificate Included"
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[tantek] so maybe!
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[tantek] !tell manton does micro.blog have any kind of streaming search API? just curious as it would be interesting to see posts on micro.blog here in IndieWeb chat in addition to tweets!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] where was that home page three column design brainstorming?
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[tantek] another three column design example: https://www.bluehost.com/web-hosting/signup
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@megarush1024 Join us for an evening of IndieWeb personal site demos and discussions! Any questions? Ask in the chatroom! (twitter.com/_/status/1093231394199953409)
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sknebel !tell eddie: some notes https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56303&oldid=56112&rcid=56188 - seems like running it ourselves is also quite easy, so might be worth trying if tht helps with the video issues: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas Livestream of jitsi is impressive. Would be nice to get some sort of audio leveller in there somehow.
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@megarush1024 Duplicating this as a separate note since I forgot that Twitter doesn’t accept RSVP posts. There’s a virtual Homebrew Website Club tonight, and I think I’m going to attend. There’s stuff that’s been on the back burner for my websites, (finishing the… https://wp.me/p54bqC-ozm (twitter.com/_/status/1093233292587995136)
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, are you volunteering to do post-production? ;)
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jeremycherfas Sure, if you send all audio streams as separate tracks. :)
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Zegnat I will try to test what exactly the “record” option outputs tomorrow. Who knows, maybe it has separate tracks.
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[zak] Maybe I'm doing my math wrong, but I think 18:30 PST would be 2:30 UTC, but the Virtual HWC says 1:30
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Zegnat Who knows how timezones work? ;)
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aaronpk Yeah we're -8 now
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Zegnat !calc 18:30 PST to UTC
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Loqi 2:30:00 am UTC | Thursday, February 7, 2019
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[jgmac1106] Ooh [arush] can you help on testing some accessibility features if joining us, using a new tool Jisti, need to know if you get access to text chat
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[jgmac1106] Of course working on your blog highest priority don't want to take advantage of your expertise but will be good to know if platform meets some basic standards before adoption
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[jgmac1106] Booking Austin, are we doing an organizer meeting or can I fly in Friday?
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[eddie] Thanks for fixing time typo zaksharpe!
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Loqi [eddie]: sknebel left you a message 45 minutes ago: some notes https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56303&oldid=56112&rcid=56188 - seems like running it ourselves is also quite easy, so might be worth trying if tht helps with the video issues: https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/master/doc/quick-install.md
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[eddie] zaksharpe++
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[eddie] Thanks sknebel! Yeah, I definitely think I'd like to try to set up a self-hosted and see if that gets some of the video issues fixed
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sknebel right. we can test in 2 weeks :D
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[eddie] aaronpk thanks for the PR merge!
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sknebel (something beefy at AWS or DO or Linode for a few hours isn't too bad)
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[eddie] unfortunately I think i've stumbled on some timezone scheduling issues so we'll probably have another PR here shortly
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[eddie] sknebel exactly what I was thinking! Something we can spin up and spin back down
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[eddie] The biggest question will be for a 24/48 hour IWC cost. hehe, I'll have to do some calculator work to check up on that
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[eddie] [jgmac1106] Any thoughts on the IWC Online Kickoff timechange I sent?
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[jgmac1106] Doesn't bother me any of you have logical reasons
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[jgmac1106] We were just guessing
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[jgmac1106] !tell Manton going to do one more RSVP so I can set a 100 tix for my donation.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[schmarty] [jgmac1106]: [arush] hasn't spoken in -meta recently. were you replying to her tweet here in slack/IRC?
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[jgmac1106] [schmarty] I know she will see it. If not I will reach out on Twitter or micro.blog
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@ken_bauer Nice segment on "bring back the blog" from @nora3000 with @dhh on @sparkcbc Perhaps you could line up someone from the #IndieWeb or #DoOO communities for a follow-up Nora. I could suggest some contacts. https://www.cbc.ca/radio/spark/move-over-facebook-and-twitter-it-s-time-to-bring-back-the-blog-1.4995545 (twitter.com/_/status/1093246656739532800)
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[jgmac1106] !tell Manton, aaronpk there is no set your own price for Austin. What is best way to send $100 donation?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Oh crap yeah need to add that ticket option i
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Loqi aaronpk: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 minute ago: there is no set your own price for Austin. What is best way to send $100 donation?
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aaronpk too
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@janboddez Dries Buytaert, who's just quit Facebook: 'Since I scaled back my use of social media, I blogged more, re-subscribed to many RSS feeds, and grew increasingly interested in the IndieWeb—all small shifts back to the Open Web's roots.' https://dri.es/pulling-the-plug-on-facebook (twitter.com/_/status/1093249050688802824)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[eddie] !tell Zegnat That's too bad that when someone talks the presented screen disappears 😞 It would be nice if we could control that more
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ wow! Thanks for shout out. Awesome to hear people taking up our #DoOO call! Don't worry we will get @dhh to add all the #indieweb love to his new WordPress site in time (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/GDpBT) (twitter.com/_/status/1093250004012158981)
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@webrocker ↩️ @xwolf @jkphl @cowglow @alexcio_ @egoexpress @indieweb Sprich lauter! *stockfuchtel (twitter.com/_/status/1093259608502734849)
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sknebel [eddie]: for demos it might make sense to have someone stream from their computer then, instead of through jitsi
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[manton] [aaronpk] [jgmac1106] Thanks for mentioning it. Should I add a "set your own price" 3rd choice for tickets?
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Loqi [manton]: [tantek] left you a message 2 weeks, 5 days ago: do you have a good photo from the previous IWC Austin that we could use as a featured photo for IWC Austin 2019? Could you link or upload to the wiki and then add it to https://2019.indieweb.org/austin as an actual visible image?
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 6 days, 1 hour ago: is there a micro.blog tutorial you could add here: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Tutorials
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Loqi [manton]: [tantek] left you a message 2 hours, 13 minutes ago: does micro.blog have any kind of streaming search API? just curious as it would be interesting to see posts on micro.blog here in IndieWeb chat in addition to tweets!
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 59 minutes ago: going to do one more RSVP so I can set a 100 tix for my donation.
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 55 minutes ago: there is no set your own price for Austin. What is best way to send $100 donation?
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[manton] Oops, looks like I missed a few things.
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aaronpk [manton]: look in the admin for the indieweb summit tix and you can copy that
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[manton] [tantek] There's no streaming API yet. I'm planning webhooks and native push notifications.
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[jgmac1106] Or just let me know how else to send a hundred. Could just throw it on my credit card when there as well
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[manton] Thanks, I think it's easier to just keep everything flowing through Tito. I'll add the option today.
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GWG En route to Manhattan. ETA at HWC NYC, 1 hour
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[schmarty] GWG: nice! i will be heading down to aroma coffee shortly myself.
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GWG You'll beat me
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[tantek] Thanks manton - looking forward to it! A websub enabled feed would be great as well
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[jgmac1106] Weird I could almost beat you gwg from New Haven
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@polycotscoop The IndieWeb is a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web". Attend IndieWebCamp on February 23-24 in Austin, Texas to get involved. https://indieweb.org/2019/Austin (twitter.com/_/status/1093268370642866182)
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GWG It always takes a long time from Nassau
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@ken_bauer New blog post up. Thanks for the inspiration @jgmac1106 #IndieWeb baby steps. Thanks for the title image @aaronpk https://blog.kenbauer.me/2019/02/06/indiewebifying-my-blog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1093269284309078017)
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GWG Jgmac1106, everything set for you and Austin?
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aaronpk [manton] let's chat about that in Austin, I bet we can use websub as your web hook format
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[jgmac1106] Yeah flying in Friday-Monday
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GWG jgmac1106, what times/flights?
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[jgmac1106] Not booked... Probably spirit with the rest of the cattle
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[jgmac1106] I hate spirit.... I hate spirit... But you are so cheap
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aaronpk I don't know why everyone complains about spirit
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GWG I got a decent deal on B6
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[jgmac1106] I find the experience poor so I only use it for short direct flights.... But that is all they fly
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[manton] [aaronpk] Sounds good!
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GWG jgmac1106, only asking in case we arrive/depart same time.
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[tantek] tagline << https://twitter.com/polycotscoop/status/1093268370642866182
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/polycotscoop/status/1093268370642866182" to the "See Also" section of /tagline https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56313&oldid=56312
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[tantek] 2019/Austin << https://twitter.com/manton2/status/1093215264353718274
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/manton2/status/1093215264353718274" to the "See Also" section of /2019/Austin https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56314&oldid=56230
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[jgmac1106] !tell Manton the indie art show going on same time gonna be neat. Not sure if people into spoken word but top talent in Austin same time, lot of awesome indie film and music makers too...
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[manton] [jgmac1106] Oh cool, I didn't know about it. Thanks!
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Loqi [manton]: [jgmac1106] left you a message 2 minutes ago: the indie art show going on same time gonna be neat. Not sure if people into spoken word but top talent in Austin same time, lot of awesome indie film and music makers too...
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@jgmac1106 Homebrew Website Club New Haven Kicking off #IndieWeb https://t.co/gEsV3j1ZJy (twitter.com/_/status/1093278037779668992)
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aaronpk lol printing on a mug is definitely stretching the definition of POSSE
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[jgmac1106] Not if it is the QR code of my face with my h-card behind it
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[jgmac1106] Huge hit at the holidays
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eddiehinkle !tell aaronpk Sorry second PR for IWC 2019 Online. Appreciate the merge when you get the chance! https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/10
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi aaronpk: eddiehinkle left you a message 3 minutes ago: Sorry second PR for IWC 2019 Online. Appreciate the merge when you get the chance! https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/10
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aaronpk ok!
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@EFFaustin EFF-Austin are proud supporters of the IndieWeb project, a global movement seeking to empower people with software and technology to take control of their own social lives online and not have them mediated via the whims of large technology... https://2019.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/1093280639032442880)
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[tantek] whoa nice!
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[tantek] EFF++
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@jgmac1106 Setting up Bridgy at Homebrew Website Club New Haven https://t.co/qCAkOXd2nt (twitter.com/_/status/1093283250682978306)
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@jgmac1106 Learning how to send reply posts at Homebrew Website Club New Haven https://t.co/4C2oe4uS01 (twitter.com/_/status/1093283736811122688)
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[eddie] aaronpk Thanks!
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[tantek] documented security cameras on the wiki moments ago.
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[tantek] just got an ad for security cameras on my IG stories "feed". WTF
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ After spending time with @drewmcweeney and talking about his goals we decide Grav is too much for a single page website... Decided to scrap it and write an HTML file. Lot happening at Homebrew Website Club New Haven (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/DKAcY) (twitter.com/_/status/1093289542147338240)
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[tantek] Medium << Criticism: Zero-day API termination: 2019-01-30 [https://write.as/blog/ending-our-medium-integration Ending our Medium integration] <blockquote>Sometime in the past few weeks, Medium [https://twitter.com/macguru17/status/1088387105519255553 abruptly deleted third-party access] to their publishing API. There was no warning before, or notice after, this happened — apps just stopped working (including ours). </blockquote>
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@macguru17 What the hell… Did @Medium just really kill of *every* 3rd party integration? Without *any* prior notice. Issuing new tokens only by request through a *form*. And also just silently revoking *all* existing integration tokens. Suddenly, out of nowhere. https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/213480228-Get-integration-token https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxq6TUnXgAAP8cw.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1088387105519255553)
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: Zero-day API termination: 2019-01-30 [https://write.as/blog/ending-our-medium-integration Ending our Medium integration] <blockquote>Sometime in the past few weeks, Medium [https://twitter.com/macguru17/status/1088387105519255553 abruptly deleted third-party access] to their publishing API. There was no warning before, or notice after, this happened — apps just stopped working (including ours). </blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56329&oldid=56147
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[tantek] Medium << https://twitter.com/macguru17/status/1088387105519255553
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/macguru17/status/1088387105519255553" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56330&oldid=56329
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[tantek] ^^^ [jgmac1106] more Medium grist for the fans you know
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@dshanske Indieweb Publisher WordPress Theme Now Available to Try: https://di5.us/b/jt (twitter.com/_/status/1093292046008373248)
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[schmarty] HWCNYC about to wrap quiet writing hour. look for blog post and photo later this evening.
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[jgmac1106] Thx [tantek] just realized the entire misinfocon (not #credweb) but same funders on Medium... Annoyed me
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[jgmac1106] Realized I don't need my own projects for HWC... Just a teaching block... But getting folks online is awesome
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[tantek] It is!
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[tantek] Hopefully you can get them to join chat so they can continue getting support with accomplishing whatever they want to on their own sites!
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] please note my update on Medium page, I noted the problem and response from Medium Support
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[jgmac1106] It does work but they pulled all tokens for a security flaw.... Weird though no info on it...
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[jgmac1106] If you are in the RU and looking for your GDPR lotto tix I might file a complaint
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[jgmac1106] EU*
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[tantek] interesting - looked like enough for write.as to just bail
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[tantek] apparently they failed to communicate they were doing so
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Took days... and no post just random responses on Twitter
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[tantek] perhaps an evidence of internal strife/chaos
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[jgmac1106] It's just weird... To say you identified a security issue and pulled all auth tokens but not tell anyone unless they ask....
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