#meta 2019-02-09

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[tantek] 2019/homepage is a project to update the IndieWeb community homepage in 2019, in particular with a three column layout designed for onboarding three common sets of visitors and new IndieWeb community members.
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /2019/homepage (+235) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] Organizers << 2019/homepage
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2019/homepage]]" to the "See Also" section of /Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56455&oldid=56219
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[tantek] 2019/homepage << 2018/NYC/Organizers#Homepage_Updates_.28Three_Paths.29
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2018/NYC/Organizers]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /2019/homepage https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56456&oldid=56454
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loqi.me edited /2019/homepage (+43) "[tantek] added "[[2018/NYC/Organizers]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] so close. Loqi stripped the anchor. 😕
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tantek.com edited /2019/homepage (+35) "restore anchor" (view diff)
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[tantek] hopefully that will make it easier to remember
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loqi.me created /three_column_homepage (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /three_column_design (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /three_paths (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /three_column_home_page (+27) "r" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /three_column_design_brainstorming (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /three_column_redesign (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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Zee Is loqi open source?
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Zee and is the web-irc client hosted at chat.indieweb.org _also_ open-source?
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[tantek] who is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/User:Loqi.me
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[tantek] ok I think I've captured / collected recent three column chatter in /2019/homepage
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[tantek] internal cache marked purgeable
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tantek.com edited /2016/homepage (+77) "no longer a stub, completed, see 2019/homepage for iteration" (view diff)
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aaronpk Zee: the web client is, I think it's linked from /discuss
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aaronpk Loqi is mostly not, but the framework Loqi is built on is
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aaronpk Loqi << TikTokBot
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Loqi ok, I added "[[TikTokBot]]" to the "See Also" section of /Loqi https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56469&oldid=53108
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+497) "/* rel-me support */ add example of two verified websites from @jgmac1106" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Introduction (+0) "onto the next" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /ℹ️ (+29) "r" (view diff)
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@kickscondor I actually kind of understand this—only because I think Mastodon is at odds with the Indieweb.: https://www.kickscondor.com/joe%27s-syndicated-links-considered-%27spam%27-by-some-mastodon-instance (twitter.com/_/status/1094038678698147845)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+179) "emojicon and more, copy editing" (view diff)
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[tantek] did some moderate stylistic tweaking on the Getting Started page
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[tantek] could I get a review / opinions? lots better / nicer / meh / worse?
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[tantek] compare https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started and https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Getting_Started&oldid=55063
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jacky ooh I like
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jacky there's this pattern in design, I forget what it's called
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[tantek] thanks so much jacky - that means a lot!
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jacky but my eye's following the path of the icons which leads to actionable / descriptive text
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[tantek] oooh
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jacky the paths here are def better than before
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[tantek] sweet. I only edited the content before "Tutorials"
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[tantek] (lots of microcopy, reducing text)
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jacky yup; less text but more focused
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[tantek] microcopy is hard
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[eddie] Yeah, nice improvements tantek
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[eddie] tantek++
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tantek.com edited /why (+29) "emojion, next IWC, removing dated sharecropping reference, linky" (view diff)
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[tantek] and with that, now each of the three wiki pages that spec.indieweb.org links to at the top (colorful button links) looks a little nicer and more consistent
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[tantek] (which was my goal)
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jacky :100:
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jacky oh nice living links
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[tantek] best way to edit a wiki, leave behind timeless content 🙂
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[tantek] !tell [aaronpk] is it time to remove the yellow warning box about spammers on https://indieweb.org/discuss ? Will leave it up to you
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek.com edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+1) "get party started, informative faq" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /FAQ (+54) "emojicon, dfn of actual page" (view diff)
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[tantek] I'd recommend this exercise for anyone who wants to improve the "first arrival" experience on the IndieWeb wiki
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[tantek] start at the home page or at the sidebar and click a link, see if the transition feels "good" and it the top of the page you navigated to at least somewhat answers what you were looking for. If not, consider how you could you edit it to not remove existing explanations, but improve design, microcopy etc. to maintain existing meaning and adding more.
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[tantek] assume that any existing meaning in a page is there to serve a particular audience and just because it wasn't what *you* expected, it may be what someone else expected. so don't take away from that, but add to it.
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[tantek] anyone here can do this exercise and incrementally improve the "landing" experience accordingly.
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[tantek] obviously larger magnitude changes (like three column homepage) will need more explicit design and collaboration, and likely prototyping to figure out.
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[tantek] yet that shouldn't stop anyone from making incremental improvements in the meanwhile, to any page
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loqi.me created /CounterSocial (+284) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /counter.social (+26) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /CounterSocial (+344) "[tantek] added "https://twitter.com/GingerGathering/status/970190688334897152" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[tantek] JS << 2018-03-31 Criticism (of JS-centrism among other things) [https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/talks/dear-developer Dear Developer, The Web Isn't About You]
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-31 Criticism (of JS-centrism among other things) [https://www.sonniesedge.co.uk/talks/dear-developer Dear Developer, The Web Isn't About You]" to the "See Also" section of /JavaScript https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=56488&oldid=55697
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Loqi [Charlie Owen] Dear Developer, The Web Isn't About You
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loqi.me created /writeas (+21) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /write.as (+129) "[tantek] added "2019-01-30 write.as blog: [https://write.as/blog/ending-our-medium-integration Ending our Medium integration]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /write.as (+493) "[tantek] added "^^^ related: https://twitter.com/macguru17/status/1088387105519255553" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /ActivityPub (+299) "/* Criticism */ add response: ActivityPub? Well, it’s not that bad" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Northern_Ireland_Developer_Conference (+414) "stub based on 2018 indieweb talk" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /nidevconf18 (+56) "r" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Northern_Ireland_Developer_Conference (+283) "[tantek] added "https://twitter.com/mccabejohn/status/1005562973220425728" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Northern_Ireland_Developer_Conference (+601) "h-event tweets, photos, video" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Northern_Ireland_Developer_Conference (+46) "hashtag for that year" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /presentations_about (+4) "linky" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /xoxofest (+18) "r hashtag" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /XOXO (+219) "hashtag, 2013 events, dfn include years since it says annual, note 2017 break" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /JavaScript (+126) "date, name" (view diff)
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jacky tantek++ for the wiki gardening
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+80) "/* rel-me support */ limitation with Twitter" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (-53) "toot content" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Mastodon (+0) "Cluster rel-me related" (view diff)
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@ernohannink Ik ben benieuwd naar het IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/1094122485338046465)
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[kevinmarks] I thought the rel=me for twitter was fixed https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/101177647320364726
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell tantek There are aspects of the openwashing dfn I don't fully understand, but would rather ask here than edit. What is implied by "motions"? Is something like "going through the motions" intended? Also, /openwashing and /open ought, IMO, to relate somehow to one another, and yet they currently don't. Any thoughts?
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[jgmac1106] !tell manton what is the best getting started tutorial pages for midodotblog
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas And /open_source redirects to /projects, which is again confusing, to a non-developer.
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[jgmac1106] I would put a see also link on open to /openwashing
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[jgmac1106] and the /open_source redirecting to /projects seems strange...but I would hate to try and define an Open Source page...
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[jgmac1106] !tell swentel what is your best link to a Drupal tutorial
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] !tell Chirsaldrich is the getting started page on WordPress rebooted? If not what is your best tutorial?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /User:Jgregorymcverry.com (-90) "/* Current Projects */" (view diff)
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /User:Jgregorymcverry.com (+212) "/* Done */ added classes" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] !tell Rose do you have a getting started on IndieWeb with grav tutorial yet?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] decided I am going to keep fleshing this out: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/e/2PACX-1vSKoQonR1xW4mehjGBs9nysgZx876QRZ_BOz3AHBGZnyq2JoFG6mS3mWgq9d9uLKPJzihhkyiOzse34/pub?start=false&loop=false&delayms=60000 just a prototype
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[jgmac1106] would love feedback on nav, goal is to have it done after Austin
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@raulrpearson ↩️ @SaraSoueidan https://indieweb.org/ FTW! (twitter.com/_/status/1094206255458070530)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] Yes. I'm not sure what the purpose of /open_source is
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[jgmac1106] ...and I have zero desire to work on the page. Brings out all the zealots...Have better luck on consensus on /God page
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jeremycherfas Me too.
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sknebel nothing links to that page, and if nobody wants to work on a "better" one, does it really matter where it points?
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[jgmac1106] nope put it on the /treeinwoods page
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sknebel :D
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sknebel (I'd agree that we don't really need to define it, we're unlikely to add anything over other sources
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[jgmac1106] sknebel++
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[jgmac1106] sometimes fences make the best wiki gardens
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jkphl.is edited /events/2019-02-06-homebrew-website-club () "(-1551)" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+306) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 The WordPress RSS block looks pretty good: https://pauljacobson.me/2019/02/08/pretty-excited-about-the-rss-block-in-gutenberg-5-0/ #IndieWeb be neat if we could make an h-feed block as well (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/141ca7) (twitter.com/_/status/1094221410514493440)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /Grav (+174) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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[tantek] Oops I think jkphl meant to create the 02-20 page
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Loqi [tantek]: jeremycherfas left you a message 3 hours, 40 minutes ago: There are aspects of the openwashing dfn I don't fully understand, but would rather ask here than edit. What is implied by "motions"? Is something like "going through the motions" intended? Also, /openwashing and /open ought, IMO, to relate somehow to one another, and yet they currently don't. Any thoughts?
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sknebel [tantek]: oops, yeah, fixing it...
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[tantek] I’m going to revert
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[tantek] Oh ok thanks!
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www.svenknebel.de created /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+10363) "create" (view diff)
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sknebel moved his version to the new page, added vhwc EU
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[tantek] Thanks sknebel! Teamwork :)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /NewsBlur (+273) "Added section on micropub support" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+57) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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www.jeremycherfas.net edited /NewsBlur (+101) "/* Sharing */ Added details on email and sharing to services and silos." (view diff)
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eddiehinkle.com edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (-54) "/* Where */ + vHWC Americas" (view diff)
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@aaronpk ↩️ Totally agreee! We've been working on stuff like this in the #indieweb community for a while! It's getting there, still a long ways to go, but here's my current reading experience using Open Web technologies: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/04/20/46/indieweb-reader-my-new-home-on-the-internet (twitter.com/_/status/1094258825979322368)
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@khurtwilliams I am attendinging @IndieWebCamp Online. (https://wp.me/pn73N-cly) (twitter.com/_/status/1094260740859539459)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+66) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club (+99) "/* Where */ NYC" (view diff)
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islandinthenet.com edited /User:Islandinthenet.com (+0) "/* WordPress */" (view diff)
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islandinthenet.com edited /User:Islandinthenet.com (-6) "/* WordPress */" (view diff)
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islandinthenet.com edited /User:Islandinthenet.com (+1) "/* WordPress */" (view diff)
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islandinthenet.com edited /User:Islandinthenet.com (-62) "/* Working On */" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re created /events/2019-02-20-homebrew-website-club-nyc (+2356) "HWCNYC for 2019-02-20" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /MediaWiki:Sidebar (+0) "next HWC 2019-02-20" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /next-hwc (+0) "next HWC 2019-02-20" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Events (+29) "/* February */ 2019-02-20 cities (add NY, reorder by time)" (view diff)
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[tantek] schmarty++
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+56) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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@benwerd ↩️ The #indieweb is still doing good work here - decentralized feeds with open protocols for common actions like sharing, liking, RSVPs, etc, without succumbing to a platform monoculture. Lots of different codebases, all interacting. (twitter.com/_/status/1094286376055402496)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /reader (+206) "/* Social Readers */ suggest aaronpk's article as introductory reading" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /reader (+144) "/* Social Readers */ note social readers are as open as yesterday's feed readers, modernized with interactivity. emojis for calls to action to read, then try" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Micromemories (+179) "prompted by [cleverdevil] and dfn added by [cleverdevil]" (view diff)
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@chrisfinazzo ↩️ I stared using it about 8 months ago when I signed up for Audible. The site and app are hot garbage, so I’ve been looking at going the @indiewebcamp route... (twitter.com/_/status/1094363356792832007)
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aaronpk !calc days until 2021-08-07
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Loqi 910 days
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aaronpk 880 days until check the logs for twtr.io and consider not renewing it since by now there shouldn't be anything using it
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2021-07-08 3:51pm PDT (#6483)
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aaronpk !tell tantek can we move https://github.com/tantek/post-type-discovery into the indieweb organization? it seems like it falls under that scope now, and I want to also move ptd.spec.indieweb.org onto the new server with auto-deploy stuff set up and I need admin access to the repo to do that
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [tantek] post-type-discovery: Post Type Discovery editor's draft
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boffosocko.com edited /ActivityPub (+116) "/* See Also */ Bridgy Fed and ActivityPub plugin for WordPress" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /Webmention_syndication (+401) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I think @voxpelli has a Micropub solution for Jekyll which might allow you to use @gRegorLove’s indiebookclub as a start. Asking in chat may help get you moving on other ideas/help if you need them. [links & more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/02/09/reply-to-chris-finazzo-about-jekyll-and-goodreads-alternatives/ (twitter.com/_/status/1094382248877469696)
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aaronpk 2018.indieweb.org (yes last year) is running on the new server and auto deploys from github! that was my test before I move this year's over
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[tantek] aaronpk yes we should move PTD accordingly into the indieweb org
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Loqi [tantek]: aaronpk left you a message 31 minutes ago: can we move https://github.com/tantek/post-type-discovery into the indieweb organization? it seems like it falls under that scope now, and I want to also move ptd.spec.indieweb.org onto the new server with auto-deploy stuff set up and I need admin access to the repo to do that
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aaronpk 👍
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aaronpk I can't do it since it's on your account, but you should be able to do it from settings
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boffosocko.com edited /ActivityPub (+300) "ActivityPub plugin for WordPress and pfefferle example" (view diff)