#meta 2019-03-09

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gRegorLove
come baaaaack to us [chrisaldrich] :)
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dougbeal
GWG: maybe between the two wp sessions at 06:00?
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GWG
okay
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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dougbeal
!tell rose Scheduled events in wp at 06:00 UTC, between the other two wp sessions
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gregorlove.com
edited /Goodreads (+904) "/* API for Goodreads */ expand, note developer concern in linked forum thread"
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gregorlove.com
edited /Goodreads (+35) "/* API for Goodreads */ note thread start date to contrast no response from GR"
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eddiehinkle.com
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eddiehinkle.com
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eddiehinkle.com
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eddiehinkle.com
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+560) "/* Day One */ Add Hangout links for day 1 final sessions"
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eddiehinkle.com
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GWG
Missing Hangouts links for the WordPress stuff
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GWG
chrisaldrich: Do you have a link for the upcoming session?
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[eddie]
Adding one now 🙂
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+109) "/* Day One */ next Wordpress event"
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+218) "/* Day One */ add final Wordpress hangout links"
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dougbeal
eddie: is the go live button showing up? Safe to join?
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chrisaldrich
GWG, I don't. Shall I create one or do you want to?
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GWG
chrisaldrich: [eddie] just did
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GWG
Check the schedule
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chrisaldrich
even better!
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chrisaldrich
there in a second
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[eddie]
dougbeal, I won’t be at these sessions, I’m handing the reigns over to [chrisaldrich] and GWG for these next sessions 🙂 [chrisaldrich] didn’t necessarily feel that these needed to be live streamed. But if you guys would like to live stream them, GWG has the capability
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dougbeal
eddie: :thumbsup:
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online (+298) "Add Photo from end of Day 1 demos"
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GWG
[eddie]: It says I'm not authorized into the Events in WordPress hangout
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[eddie]
Hmmm Strange. it did that to me on one of the sessions. It seemed like a Hangouts glitch
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[eddie]
We created a new Google Hangout event and it fixed it last time
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GWG
[eddie]: Suggestion?
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GWG
We could use the one for the 2nd WordPress event
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[eddie]
How’s this:
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[eddie]
GU28iLG51bGwsW10sbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsW10sbnVsbCxudWxsLFtdXQ..
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GWG
Can you update the wiki?
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chrisaldrich
GWG: are you joining us?
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[eddie]
Yeah definitely
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[eddie]
^ That was to GWG
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GWG
I just did join you
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GWG
In the new room.
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GWG
There's no one there
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+408) "/* Day One */ Add new events in Wordpress link"
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GWG
It says, You're not authorized to start this call.
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[eddie]
Let me know which one you all end up in and I’ll make sure the wiki is updated 🙂
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GWG
That's weird.
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GWG
That's why I asked Eddie to check it
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GWG
I can get into the other rooms
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GWG
So, I can't join you unless you switch.
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dougbeal
Which room you in?
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Loqi
[Rose]: dougbeal left you a message 5 hours, 11 minutes ago: Scheduled events in wp at 06:00 UTC, between the other two wp sessions
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[Rose]
Aha, I made it!
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GWG
The new one that Eddie added to the schedule
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GWG
Or scroll up
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[Rose]
We get the same error message on the next session
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[Rose]
Are you in any session hangout?
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[eddie]
Hmm, strange. If the next session’s hangout is showing that error, I say if everyone makes it into the current session’s hangout successfully, we just keep that hangout for both this session and the next since they are both wordpress and Hangouts is acting squirrelly
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[Rose]
The online sessions were great Jeremy
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vincentp.me
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jeremycherfas
Ah well. I was stuffing my face.
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sknebel
hm, using Hangouts instead of jitsi?
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sknebel
just for the youtube streaming?
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sknebel
or did something else break?
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sknebel
(I had planned to be around for a few, but sleep was more important)
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[eddie]
sknebel: The Recording/Streaming side broke without enough time to fix it
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[eddie]
The actual conferencing functionality is still going strong
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[jgmac1106]
eddie I hope you are gettin up and not still up
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[eddie]
Just woke up and fed a screaming baby lol
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[eddie]
Thought I’d check Slack before going back to bed lol
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sknebel
[eddie]: I caught that, but the last I saw mentioned was just streaming intros and demos then locally
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[jgmac1106]
6-9 were my favortie sleep hours avter that 4-5 feeding
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[eddie]
sknebel Yeah we ended up staying with hangouts because we just had a single session at a time so we thought why not since we’re already using it?
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@jgmac1106
Pleased to announce I have joined the Advisory Board for @GOIFoundation https://www.goifoundation.org/index.php/founders/ as part of #OEWeek e will have our first launch call today as we plan to roll out an #OER platform across Ghana for volunteers. Gonna bring some #IndieWeb… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/09/pleased-to-announce-i-have-joined-the
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@jgmac1106
I have two projects I am working on for demo day for #IndieWeb Camp Online a photos page and a guestbook. Made some progress on photos remixing https://gRegorLove.com Austin demo: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/photos.html but trying to add the CSS animation … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/09/i-have-two-projects-i-am-working
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@jgmac1106
As part of #OEWeek and o celebrate the launch of https://www.goifoundation.org today we will be facilitating an art and feminism wikipedia edit-a-thon for International Women's day. Contact me for info or just edit away. cc/ @iamjessklein #digped #IndieWeb… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/09/as-part-of-oeweek-and-o-celebrate
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Zegnat
Hmm. Should I add a Profile Pages Redux session to the grid, so people know we are going to have a try at doing one on EU time? sknebel, [Rose], [eddie], [jgmac1106]: thoughts?
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vanderven.se martijn
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+206) "Profile Pages Redux. It is like Profile Pages, but EU time."
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[Rose]
Crossing my fingers I can tune in in 15 minutes!
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Zegnat
Not sure where this will be hosted. I don’t believe I have access to do the fancy hangouts-iwc-youtube-thing
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jgmac1106
zegnat do you have a google account?
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jgmac1106
fall back is just do the session and record locally and we can worry about getting it online later
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jgmac1106
eddie had plans to be back by 16:00
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Zegnat
“and record locally” - I will probably have the cameras turned off ;)
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Zegnat
We’ll see. I think sknebel was saying he kinda wanted to run AutoAuth on Jitsi?
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sknebel
yeah. if we take good notes recordings for the sessions IMHO aren't so important, at least for what I think's gonna happen in the AutoAuth session
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sknebel
Zegnat: so you just pick something and announce where to go :D
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[eddie]
Hey all
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Zegnat
Hiya [eddie]!
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Zegnat
Do you want to setup infra for profiles redux? If not, I am jumping into a meet.indieweb.org room
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[eddie]
infra?
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Zegnat
infrastructure
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[eddie]
haha yeah doing that now
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Zegnat
(such a clunky word)
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[Rose]
Where do I go?
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[Rose]
Oh, wait, wasn't announced yet
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Zegnat
Give [eddie] a minute :D
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Zegnat
imagines [eddie] waking up, baby on arm, wrestling with Google
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[Rose]
I retrieved my laptop from the boyfriend 😄
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[eddie]
Also posting on the wiki
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eddiehinkle.com
edited /2019/Online/Schedule (+244) "/* Day One */ Add hangouts and video"
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sknebel
sigh, Google being stupid again
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Zegnat
Hard to get on?
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Zegnat
keeps a separate Chrome install just for these instances
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sknebel
I don't use chrome for anything else either. which now means I need to log into Google, and apparently Google does not like the idea of me connecting from a new browser right now or I don't know
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[eddie]
oh no!
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[eddie]
Is there anything we can do? Do you want us to shift to Jitsi so you can join in?
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sknebel
nah, I'll just watch YT and poke it a bit more, don't think I have much to say for this topic anyways :D
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[eddie]
sknebel: still no luck on Hangouts I assume? We can move to Jitsi for AutoAuth
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Zegnat
(Less than 200 MB used after one Hangouts session.)
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eddiehinkle.com
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@theaprilwier
@DavidWolfpaw at @WordCampGVL my fellow @Siteground #wpambassador educating us in the Indieweb
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Zegnat
Hmm, I think this one-track linear schedule of sessions is working really well, but I think that mostly because it ends up with [eddie] just hosting a string of micro casts about specific topics, haha
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Zegnat
Which is a format I am really digging, just not sure how barcampstyle-IWC-ish that is
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[dougbeal]
Did the autoauth get recorded?
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jacky
I _think_ so
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Zegnat
I am unsure
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[eddie]
Zegnat 😆
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[eddie]
Zegnat: Yeah if we had more sessions proposed and Jitsi working correctly we’d be able to have multiple rooms, etc.
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[eddie]
I think have a constrained time helps to have multiple sessions at the same time
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Zegnat
You also need some sort of critical mass for multiple sessions to make sense, I think.
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[eddie]
Because we have such a broad window (23 hours) essentially we just filtered sessions out to other days
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[eddie]
Yep, definitely
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[eddie]
I think those are the two factors: critical mass and the length of the time window
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Zegnat
But as I said, I dig Eddie Hinkle’s Vidcast Weekend!
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[eddie]
dougbeal: unfortionatly we had to use Jitsi so it was not recorded, but we took pretty good notes on Etherpad
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sknebel
is there still a session on right now, or did groups finish?
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Zegnat
Groups finished
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[eddie]
groups finished. we’re about to start Post Type Testing
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@ChrisAldrich
↩️ If you have questions about it after the camp, feel free to ask in the #IndieWeb chat. There are lots of us who can help. https://indieweb.org/discuss https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/09/55745617/
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[eddie]
Speaking of IWC Online analysis, is there a standard place on the wiki that we take notes reflecting on an IWC after the fact?
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Zegnat
Not really
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aaronpk
yeah there's usually notes on the organizing page
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aaronpk
wait now I can't find it
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aaronpk
I did this last year but that was writing up notes about 2017 while planning for 2018 https://indieweb.org/2018/Planning#Notes_from_previous_years
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sknebel
we could make a general page for online IWCs, like /vHWC for virtual homebrew website clubs
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sknebel
and collect material there
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@ChrisAldrich
↩️ They've all been listed at https://indieweb.org/2019/Online/Schedule with appropriate links. The chat channels are the best place for immediate help. Most of the sessions have been recorded, so you can catch them after the fact. https://boffosocko.com/2019/03/09/55745623/
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chrisaldrich
For longer term benefit, we should document issues, suggestions for improvement, etc. at https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing so that organizers can see them and make changes
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aaronpk
I think it makes sense to have a section on the event's planning page with notes from after the event
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aaronpk
I feel like we've done that a few times in the past but I can't find them now
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chrisaldrich
Some of them may also be captured in blog posts and then added to the posts section for camps.
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chrisaldrich
bigger issues should certainly be pushed upstream to the bigger organizers page to make sure our future selves are aware and can plan appropriately.
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[eddie]
Makes sense! I’ll utilize a section on the IWC Online Planning page, and then as you said [chrisaldrich] anytime we see an issue being reflected in multiple IWCs it could be useful to upgrade it to the Organizers page
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eddiehinkle.com
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[eddie]
Zegnat: Interestingly, your common of “Eddie Hinke’s Vidcast Weekend” brings up an idea I had awhile ago. Essentially every once in awhile when there is a specific topic of interest to the community (like AutoAuth, Readers, etc) recording an “IndieWeb Roundtable” podcast episode, where whoever is interested in the topic joins to discuss it and brainstorm, with the final discussion being edited and released. I don’t know how good the
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[eddie]
reminiscent of a couple of todays’ sessions, particularly AutoAuth and Groups
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Zegnat
Considering I listen to several podcasts that have that sort of format, sometimes in cut form and sometimes in raw twitch-stream-form, I would definitely listen to something like that
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[eddie]
Interesting! That’s good to know. I haven’t come across any like that yet really
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@jgmac1106
#IndieWeb recorded quick three part tutorial on mf2 podcast page: https://archive.org/details/AddingANewEpisode Need to do full article with text directions for accessibility, that is one goal, also need to fix the columns on media query, I also don't wrap my show in an… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/09/indieweb-recorded-quick-three-part-tutorial
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aaronpk
that's a cool idea
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chrisaldrich
Given how the Online Camp is going, it wouldn't be a horrible idea to have an etherpad of general camp-esque topics that people are interested in and doing occasional online sessions for just them when they reach some sort of critical mass.
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[eddie]
That’s interesting. Ad-hoc sessions throughout the year
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[eddie]
based on interest
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[eddie]
That’s pretty cool
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chrisaldrich
Maybe something between an HWC and a full Camp, but much more topic focused
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[eddie]
Yeah definitely
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aaronpk
actually planning it rather than doing it ad hoc on IRC? 😂
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[eddie]
lol 😆
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Zegnat
I guess the idea would be planning a time where people actually make an effort to all be there at the same time?
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chrisaldrich
invariably on IRC someone is sad that they missed the topic a day or two later and the conversation probably isn't as "rich" in chat/text as it might be in audio/video chat.
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chrisaldrich
Or do it as the Topic of the Week/Month type of thing to get 10 or so people brainstorming in a particular direction
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chrisaldrich
and doing it twice in a 24 hour period to cover the multitude of timezones...
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chrisaldrich
It was interesting to see the part 1 and part 2 of https://etherpad.indieweb.org/profiles which I think were two separate, but related sessions on the same topic
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[eddie]
Yep, different people could make different times so we held similar sessions with different people at times that worked
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[eddie]
jacky is going to be working on creating a prototype of a public group based on discussions from the groups session
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[eddie]
[jgmac1106] is going to be working on his guestbook he’s been brainstorming for awhile.
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[eddie]
Specifically saving the information and re-displaying it
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[Rose]
I like the idea of topic mini camps.
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[Rose]
Mindie web camp, if we want a silly name.
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[eddie]
Zegnat is leaning toward working on AutoAuth stuff.
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[eddie]
Zegnat also considering a profile page redesign
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[Rose]
Something like a Foodl to help pick the best time(s) for sessions, and the person that suggested it "hosting" would be good.
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[eddie]
Eddie is going to work on adding AutoAuth to his personal website. First, being able to request access to other people’s sites. Second, to have support for sharing private content
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jacky
meta!
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jacky
and we're off
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[eddie]
Also for context, grabbing sknebel’s post from the indieweb channel
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Loqi
[sknebel] gonna be afk for a bit, so I'll just drop my projects in here now: I'd be up for doing AutoAuth related things (will probably at least do some spec issues, but if someone wants to implement it happy to provide the other half), and try to get the firs...
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chrisaldrich
Perhaps the /2019/Online page should have a Hacking section that lists what everyone is working on?
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[eddie]
ohhh good idea
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[eddie]
Should it be a section on that page or should it be under the “Projects time” on the schedule grid?
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chrisaldrich
I've got 3 ideas knocking around. I'm going to eat a quick lunch and then decide.
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chrisaldrich
Maybe in the schedule for people coming late? And a link to chat, so there's an indication that something is going on...
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[eddie]
That’s a good idea. I’ll do that :thumbsup:
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chrisaldrich
At a physical camp you can see everyone working, where as here, it's quiet without making a tacit note of the fact.
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jgmac1106
chrisaldrich I would recommend pciking someone to do a 1/2 hr or 60 min check in
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jgmac1106
…orr maybe we have a checkin on IRC
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chrisaldrich
or having an open hangout room for the background noise...
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jgmac1106
or simply just post from your website when you finish stuff or get stuck, that’s how I am gonna roll
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jgmac1106
happy to hop into a hangout every so often…but have a party tonight to go to so only online for a few hours today
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gRegorLove
I need to revisit the etherpad template. People tend to put stuff inside the brackets instead of replacing them, which is what's intended.
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gRegorLove
E.g. "IndiewebCamp Austin 2019" instead of "Indiewebcamp [Austin] [2019]"
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[eddie]
Haha, yeah, I’ve noticed that
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[eddie]
I’ve tried to remove them as I’ve seen them, but that’s definitely common
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gRegorLove
I'm going to try just CAPS
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[eddie]
Yeah, that’s a good idea
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[eddie]
I think one issue is if you double click on the text, I think most browsers don’t select the []’s where the all caps word would get completely highlighted
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gRegorLove
For my IWC create day project, I'm going to continue tinkering with CSS grid photo gallery. I think I almost have it working in IE11 with flexbox fallback.
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eddiehinkle.com
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Zegnat
I just realised another thing I have been thinking about building: an AskMeAnything subpage to my homepage.
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[eddie]
That’s pretty cool. Kind of gets at the Facebook Profile Questions thing, but more interactive and personal
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[eddie]
This iwc-sessions-link template has been super useful! Thanks for creating it gRegorLove!
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[eddie]
gRegorLove++
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Loqi
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notiz.blog
moved /ZenPress to /Autonom "potential legal issues"
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[eddie]
It made this whole ICW Online thing 💯 times easier
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gRegorLove
Glad to year! yw
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Zegnat
AMAs are more work on my end though, I also wondered about doing the oposite: people submit assumptions about me and I either 👎 or 👍 it
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[eddie]
lol! You might get some REALLY interesting posts that way
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[eddie]
I would be scared to do that on my site haha
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Zegnat
It is not my idea, the assumptions thing did the rounds amongst youtubers and social media content creators.
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[eddie]
really?
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[eddie]
How curious
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aaronpk
I was gonna say, i've seen some of those on youtube
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gRegorLove
Assume Me Anything? Haha
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Zegnat
Probably not meta anymore, just wanted to put it in here as something I may end up working on this weekend
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gRegorLove
what is AMA?
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Loqi
ask me anything or AMA is a public facing page which allows people to ask questions online they'd like the originator to answer https://indieweb.org/AMA
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jgmac1106
gRegorLove thx was able to use your photos, now tryng to get the figcpation to display on hover
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eddiehinkle.com
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eddiehinkle.com
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martymcgui.re
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gRegorLove
Attempted streamlining the etherpad template here. Tried to make things double-clickable for easier replacement: https://indieweb.org/User:Gregorlove.com/sandbox
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gRegorLove
Not sure about the wiki syntax stuff at the top. Makes dumping easier, but might be confusing during note taking.
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gRegorLove
The remaining brackets are intended since they're for external URLs on the wiki
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gregorlove.com
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@jgmac1106
Okay got the guestbook form written and an example note on the page on how I want it to display: https://jgmac1106homepage.glitch.me/guestbook.html Going to take a break, walk the dogs and think on making the php file next. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1ZpexY)
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sknebel
[eddie]++
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Loqi
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sknebel
the ad-hoc sessions thing is also someting I thought of today, with someone proposing a "session" for the near future
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sknebel
not sure how much people actually use the newsletter to discover events, but maybe adding it to the newsletter the week before is a useful form (fridays newsletter for saturday is probably a bit short notice)
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[dougbeal]
No WordPress projects active?
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GWG
[dougbeal]: What do you mean?
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[dougbeal]
GWG: was just looking at the schedule/projects page to get oriented
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[dougbeal]
GWG: I'm thinking I'm going to clear out wp warnings bug reps, then podcast mf2
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@jgmac1106
↩️ Wooo Hooo!!! One step closer: https://jgregorymcverry.com/guestbook.php form isn't saved to the same file, but I am able to create a new file and display the data!!Okay taking break. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1G4OVY)
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@kevinmarks
↩️ At least tattoo a domain that you own yourself. You can always redirect it to the monetization nexus du jour #indieweb
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