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jgmac1106 okay signing off for the night, be back in the morning…or later tonight, though maybe too IPAd for PHP
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Online/readposts (+57) "formatting, links" (view diff)
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@BeardOps "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..." https://gcemetery.co/ https://killedbygoogle.com/ https://indieweb.org/site-deaths (twitter.com/_/status/1104546904254296064)
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boffosocko.com edited /2019/Online/groups (+87) "Prior sessions 2017 D%C3%BCsseldorf" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /sparkline (+224) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Chris Burnell" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /site-deaths (+54) "/* See Also */ killedbygoogle.com gcemetery.co" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /PKCE (+137) "prompted by [grantcodes] and dfn added by aaronpk" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /PKCE (+45) "aaronpk added "https://oauth.net/2/pkce/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /PKCE (+1368) "attempt at summary. add link to video with explanation." (view diff)
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aaronpk nice, I just tried to push updates to 2019.indieweb.org but github rejected me
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aaronpk i'm gonna need someone to approve this PR :)
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aaronpk https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/24
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Loqi [aaronpk] #24 add indieweb summit page
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dougbeal I can't tell if my review did anything?
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aaronpk hm I don't think you have write access to it so it didn't
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dougbeal lol
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dougbeal Oh github
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Loqi [2019.indieweb.org] Pull request closed by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/25
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aaronpk 🎉
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Loqi [indieweb/2019.indieweb.org] Pull request closed by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/26
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aaronpk for real tho can someone approve and merge this? https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/24 [eddie] [schmarty]
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Loqi [aaronpk] #24 add indieweb summit page
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Loqi [github] Pull request closed by EdwardHinkle: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/24
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org
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eddiehinkle.com edited /2019/Online/Planning (+2623) "Add some reflections from camp so far" (view diff)
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[eddie] !tell aaronpk I don’t want to change it in case it’s intentional but the index page links to the wiki instead of the summit page: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/blob/10ae7eec4786b94433c14f9f13587348173dd4ac/public/index.php#L76
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk Nope not intentional!
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[eddie] I’ll create a PR 👍
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by EdwardHinkle: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/27
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[eddie] Anyone else with GitHub IndieWeb access, feel free to review and approve that one and summit will be live 👆
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[eddie] loqi++
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Loqi loqi has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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[eddie] I love the new GitHub integration for that repo
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Loqi [github] Pull request closed by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/27
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aaronpk Whoops gotta fix up those notifications
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aaronpk they seem to be getting triggered on some other event hooks
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[eddie] Haha yep
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[eddie] 🙌
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[eddie] But it works!
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[eddie] I think the two erroneous ones were a branch creation and a commit to a secondary branch
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aaronpk Did you do that in the indieweb org or in your fork?
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[eddie] That was on the indieweb org since I was on my phone haha
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aaronpk ah
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aaronpk those were the commits to the other branch then
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[eddie] Yep
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aaronpk I didn't write anything to look for commits to just the master branch since I assumed everyone was gonna send PRs from their own forks
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aaronpk The hook only runs for push and PR events
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[eddie] Ohhh it’s probably safe then, since we typically use our repos
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@matteoc I just signed up for the #indiewebcamp #Berlin in April. https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin Hope to meet you there to discuss #identity and #personalclouds and build a #PostStacksWorld (twitter.com/_/status/1104675660704948229)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Okay back to work on the guestbook for @IndieWebCamp Online. Have a personal goal for your website? Join us for hack day today. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/wimDf) (twitter.com/_/status/1104697839656099847)
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@jgmac1106 Update on @IndieWebCamp Hack Day Proect-The Guestbook: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/10/update-on-indiewebcamp-hack-day-proect-the-guestbook (twitter.com/_/status/1104702375514828801)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Got to here https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/c4cd4bef98acd88729289d9e4c3b9fe6 with thanks of https://vanderven.se/martijn/ I learned the echo can go anywhere, PHP is pretty cool, what I wanted, fewest files and compiling possible....now if I could figure out what is wrong with pesky var6 @IndieWebCamp… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/10/got-to-here-jgmac1106c4cd4bef98acd88729289d9e4c3b9fe6-with-thanks-of (twitter.com/_/status/1104709896799436801)
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@jgmac1106 If anyone at yesterday's @IndieWebCamp Online profile section who said they didn't know how to write an About Me or copy for a static homepage I am happy to help to capture your truths and make you come off as the bee's knees. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1QyhOo) (twitter.com/_/status/1104710467333828610)
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jgmac1106 https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/c4cd4bef98acd88729289d9e4c3b9fe6
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jgmac1106 https://jgregorymcverry.com/guestbook.html
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loqi.me created /sequence_diagram (+179) "prompted by sknebel and dfn added by sknebel" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /sequence_diagram (+139) "sknebel added "[https://bramp.github.io/js-sequence-diagrams/ in-browser tool to generate diagrams from a relatively simple text form]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ When you are driving yourself crazy not understanding progress being made, flipping every which switch....and then read the FTP logs and realize you been dancing standing still. #IndieWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/cwNHs) (twitter.com/_/status/1104731475893723138)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Guestbook working: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/10/when-you-are-driving-yourself-crazy-now going to check the file I save, though wondering if there is anything wrong with just using GET, saving all data in the url, too fragile? #IndieWeb Then I need to figure out how to save each entry to the same… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/10/guestbook-working-20190310when-you-are-driving-yourself-crazy-now-going-to-check-the (twitter.com/_/status/1104733042747367424)
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@jgmac1106 Update on @IndieWebCamp Hack Day Proect-The Guestbook: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/10/update-on-indiewebcamp-hack-day-proect-the-guestbook-1 (twitter.com/_/status/1104738427172470785)
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jacky .
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@KATURATION ↩️ @aral if it's not related to indieweb it's probably not a good name to pick (twitter.com/_/status/1104745310314790912)
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@edent ↩️ @sonniesedge Hurrah for indieweb and for blogging. And hurrah for you! HURRAH! (twitter.com/_/status/1104749222333698048)
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Zegnat Huh, I got disconnected from Jitsi without realising I was
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Zegnat needs to find his second headset so he can be in openroom *and* listen to podcast simultaniously
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jgmac1106 what is opne room link?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "opne room link" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "opne room link is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 oops
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jacky https://meet.indieweb.org/openroom
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jacky should something like that live on the Wiki?
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jacky maybe under /discuss?
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sknebel it's just for the event now, but it should probably be somewhere on /2019/Online
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jgmac1106 yeah I went looking for it and almost made a new room
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jgmac1106 adding now
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jgmac1106 staying muted instead of two headsets zegnat..so I can toggle betwenn Herbie Hancock and YouTube searcing for tutorials
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Zegnat I found my second set, so all is good
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jgmac1106 link is there
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jgmac1106 stilll can’t figure out why everything but the note will display in this…ignore me trying to echo the file….that is the next problem for me to solve: https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/c4cd4bef98acd88729289d9e4c3b9fe6
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jgmac1106 where var6 should be returns an empty <p></p>
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Okay I can now display the same file I am saving the data to. I am wondering? Can I if I up the txt file like an html template and just call it? @IndieWebCamp Online https://jgregorymcverry.com/guestbook.php (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1mhUBA) (twitter.com/_/status/1104760561768771585)
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jgmac1106 oops that was meant for dev not meta
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[eddie] The link is also on the /2019/Online/Schedule page
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sknebel just put it in main room topic too
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Zegnat Hmm, Jitsi does not allow me to switch input device. So I do not even know which microphone is being used
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sknebel Zegnat: in the browser UI you should be able to see/change it
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Zegnat Yeah, it doesn’t let me change
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sknebel when you click the camera or microphone icon in the url bar
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Zegnat Oh, wait, you mean in Firefox?
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sknebel yeah. if you can't change it there, you should at least be able to set it so it asks again when you reconnect
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Zegnat It just says it is allowed to access microphone
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Zegnat And the Jitsi settings show a “Select a device” drop down, but the drop down doesn’t do anything
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sknebel Zegnat: in the browser menu you get when you click on the microphone symbol you can delete the microphone permission - then it'll ask you again when you reload the page. and at least on windows that prompt has a device chooser
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[eddie] How strange!
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Zegnat Let me swap headsets and see what happens
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Zegnat is still wearing two simultaniously
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Zegnat Anyone hear me?
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sknebel it shows you as "connection lost" to me
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sknebel (and muted)
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jacky ^
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Zegnat Manually refreshing
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Zegnat Whelp, it gave up completely. I saw jacky move on his camera, even while Jitsi told me I was disconnected. And then it kicked me.
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dougbeal.com edited /2019/Online/mf2podcasts (+49) "/* Notes */ add my URL is github" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019 (+14) "add link to summit page" (view diff)
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@davidmead Context challenges between #indieweb and social media silos: https://davidjohnmead.com/2019/03/10/context-challenges-between-indieweb-and-social-media-silos (twitter.com/_/status/1104792572826808320)
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Zegnat needs to go for dinner
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Zegnat Hope to be back for demoes
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@jjdelc Where is the best place to universally link to content matching a #hashtag? To Twitter's results? To Instagram? To some aggregator that'll die next year? #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2019/03/10-181838/ (twitter.com/_/status/1104808804217163776)
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@aaronpk ↩️ I link to my own tag pages. I figure that'll show reasonable results and I can always link out to Twitter/Insta hashtags there if I wanted. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1104809163945697280)
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@jjdelc In a similar note, given an @mention to someone, when parsing it, how to decide where to link? to a Twitter profile, IG profile (assuming they use the same handle in both). Keep an @-2-url map in my code? #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2019/03/10-182039/ (twitter.com/_/status/1104809310721372160)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /IndieAuth (+8) "/* IndieAuth Clients */ clean up anchors" (view diff)
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www.svenknebel.de edited /IndieAuth (+7) "/* IndieAuth Providers */ clean up anchors" (view diff)
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gRegorLove Are we using Jitsi or Hangouts for demos?
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Zegnat Hangouts link just dropped in #indieweb :D
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aaronparecki.com edited /PKCE (+463) "add examples" (view diff)
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[eddie] haha funny timing!
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@blairmacintyre ↩️ I’m working on it. Later in the week. Indieweb, webmentions, ghost, extracting comments from disqus, tying into http://micro.blog, … so many levels of FREAKING AWESOMENESS … (twitter.com/_/status/1104837185310769155)
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@phparch Read “WordPress and the IndieWeb---Why You Should Own Your Voice” by @davidwolfpaw #php http://ow.ly/6SeZ30nYqMP (twitter.com/_/status/1104839355863052288)
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sknebel [eddie]++
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Loqi [eddie] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (90 in all channels)
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@JavaUnofficial Read “WordPress and the IndieWeb---Why You Should Own Your Voice” by davidwolfpaw #php http://ow.ly/6SeZ30nYqMP (twitter.com/_/status/1104839881539440642)
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@JavaUnofficial phparch: Read “WordPress and the IndieWeb---Why You Should Own Your Voice” by davidwolfpaw #php http://ow.ly/6SeZ30nYqMP (twitter.com/_/status/1104839897641308161)
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[grantcodes] eddie++
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Loqi eddie has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (93 in all channels)
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[grantcodes] dougbeal++ for vital testing and bug reporting work
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Loqi dougbeal has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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[grantcodes] RE the idea of more impromptu online sessions on a specific topic: One idea I had that may or may not work would be to have maybe a monthly timeslot where there would always be a discussion and people can vote in someway for what would be the most interesting topic for that month
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jacky [grantcodes]: that'd be cool
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[eddie] ohhhh that’s an interesting idea as well!
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[eddie] [jgmac1106]++
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Loqi [jgmac1106] has 53 karma in this channel over the last year (126 in all channels)
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[eddie] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (170 in all channels)
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[eddie] for helping organize 🙌
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gRegorLove That could work for vHWC even, [grantcodes]. First 30-60 minutes is regular HWC, second half is a pre-scheduled topic.
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[grantcodes] Yes gRegorLove I was thinking it falls almost into the idea of HWC
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GWG gRegorLove: Didn't that work for them in Baltimore with theirs?
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gRegorLove GWG, not sure; I'm not familiar
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[eddie] The only challenge with that is you might want to leave the “traditional” HWC day/time so that people who attend local HWCs could still participate in the online pre-scheduled topic
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gRegorLove oh yeah, hm
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[eddie] So if you did that you might want move the vHWC to an off week or a different day of the week
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Zegnat We used to stick to predefined topic lists for the EU vHWC a couple of times. That did make the conversation go a little smoother online. But never really had one there that could, by itself, fill enough time for a deep discussion
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gRegorLove I guess it could be different audiences, too. E.g. new people might want to learn some basics but not be interested in an in-depth conversation about AutoAuth in the second half.
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[eddie] That’s true
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sknebel And saturdays might work better with availability than the weekdays for vHWC
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[eddie] That’s true as well, especially if we want to bridge the Europe/Americas timezones
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sknebel at least EU time we always have trouble with finding spots where enough people have time
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sknebel + that
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[eddie] seems like Saturdays is good because you can get West Coast Americas in the morning and Europe still at a decent time of day
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sknebel I'd go for "announce it before the newsletter friday for the weekend of the next week, sometime saturday afternoon/evening UTC" - but of course, if someone prefers something else and does it then, that's fine too. doing something wins over talking about when to do it :D
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[eddie] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 22 karma in this channel over the last year (106 in all channels)
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gRegorLove Experiment and iterate. :) Saturday plan sounds good to me.
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loqi.me created /ad-hoc_sessions (+193) "prompted by [eddie] and dfn added by [eddie]" (view diff)
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-10#t1552250219265300
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-10#t1552250219265300" to a brand new "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57940&oldid=57939
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loqi.me edited /ad-hoc_sessions (+406) "[eddie] added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-10#t1552250219265300" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi [sknebel] I'd go for "announce it before the newsletter friday for the weekend of the next week, sometime saturday afternoon/evening UTC" - but of course, if someone prefers something else and does it then, that's fine too. doing something wins over talking ab...
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eddiehinkle.com edited /ad-hoc_sessions (+526) "Add some basic structure" (view diff)
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552161573431700
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552161573431700" to the "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57942&oldid=57941
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Loqi [chrisaldrich] Given how the Online Camp is going, it wouldn't be a horrible idea to have an etherpad of general camp-esque topics that people are interested in and doing occasional online sessions for just them when they reach some sort of critical mass.
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gregorlove.com edited /2019/Austin/Schedule (+123) "/* Sunday February 24 */ link to demos page, videoduration template" (view diff)
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552162279708600
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552162279708600" to the "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57944&oldid=57942
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Loqi [[Rose]] I like the idea of topic mini camps.
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552166471416100
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552166471416100" to the "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57945&oldid=57944
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Loqi [sknebel] the ad-hoc sessions thing is also someting I thought of today, with someone proposing a "session" for the near future
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552166519216700
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-03-09#t1552166519216700" to the "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57946&oldid=57945
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Loqi [sknebel] not sure how much people actually use the newsletter to discover events, but maybe adding it to the newsletter the week before is a useful form (fridays newsletter for saturday is probably a bit short notice)
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[eddie] Okay, I’m done 😄
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[eddie] If anyone wants to come up with a better name than ad-hoc sessions, feel free to move the page with a redirect and rename it
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[eddie] 2019/Online << [[ad-hoc sessions]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[ad-hoc sessions]]" to the "See Also" section of /2019/Online https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57947&oldid=57920
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[eddie] ad-hoc sessions << [[2019/Online]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[2019/Online]]" to the "See Also" section of /ad-hoc_sessions https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=57948&oldid=57946
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eddiehinkle.com edited /ad-hoc_sessions (+332) "Add original concept section" (view diff)
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[grantcodes] For the ad-hoc sessions I think the sort of system we had for the online camp would be good, basically a wiki page with a list of topics and people can +1 them
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[grantcodes] It would probably self regulate but you might need to soft ban a subject for a while after it has been discussed in case it just ends up with the same subject every time
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gregorlove.com created /2019/Austin/Demos (+5395) "dump chat logs, formatting, links" (view diff)
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@tbc0 @cluetrain AYT? Your last tweet was over two months ago. Can the #indieweb movement count on your support? I never lost my #hope that the vision of @ricklevine, Christopher Locke, @dsearls, and David Weinberger would prevail. Times are dark this year. (twitter.com/_/status/1104854389636775936)
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@tbc0 ↩️ But people (_especially_ Americans) naturally rise to react to a crisis. Maybe this year is the tipping point for a return to the 95 theses after the internet losing its way over the past 20 years? http://j.mp/tbccluetrain #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1104854390437892096)
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@tbc0 ↩️ I discovered the #IndieWeb movement. My eyeballs will only get harder to rent from here. @ClarityInsights you are, of course, familiar with The Cluetrain Manifesto? http://j.mp/tbccluetrain cc @cluetrain (twitter.com/_/status/1104855217953099776)
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gregorlove.com edited /2018/Baltimore/Demos (+5495) "oh hai, about time we archived these demo notes" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I'm wondering if we need the [[Category: YEAR CampName]]. Any interesting uses for that? it's been used intermittently.
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gRegorLove I've used [[Category: YEAR sessions]] to group by year, otherwise I check the schedule pages for a specific camp at a glance
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@KayOddone Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge! I am sorry that our timelines didn't work out for the #IndieWeb camp on the weekend, but the learning will continue nevertheless :) (twitter.com/_/status/1104865302892838914)
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gregorlove.com edited /timeline (+60) "/* 2019 */ IWC Online, summit on longer tentative" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /IndieWebCamps (-118) "/* Upcoming IndieWebCamps */ rm Austin, Online" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+67) "past 2019 IWCs" (view diff)
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@gRegorLove @jgmac1106 Who was it you wanted to connect me with about a possible IndieWebCamp San Diego? (twitter.com/_/status/1104872504278073344)
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@mapkyca Merged in a whole bunch of @withknown patches, most notably, most external dependencies are now loaded by composer. More to come. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1104872551694639105)
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[jgmac1106] For adhoc sessions stick with the vHWC but just let folks +1 agenda ideas??
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