#meta 2019-03-20

2019-03-20 UTC
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[jgmac1106] gwg 3 and two remote, so three more than we need. mattl expressed interest in a one day trip. Trying to convince jmac and eduquinn to come, drewmcweeney will come unless he gets a gig (musician), and I assume a handful of students
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GWG Okay.
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[jgmac1106] How come I have never seen this: http://shouldiuseacarousel.com/
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[tantek] amazing
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[tantek] what is a carousel
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "carousel" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "carousel is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] goes back to alt work
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@jgmac1106 @btopro Jim Luke said I should give you a follow, and said you are doing similar stuff on a slightly different stack with blowing up the LMS that I am doing with my #IndieWeb hacks. Nice to meet you. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/22JQTI) (twitter.com/_/status/1108163343351726080)
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jmac [jgmac1106]: Oh yeah... I appreciate the invite but must decline, it's a bit too short notice
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[jgmac1106] jmac sorry should have thought about you earlier.
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[jgmac1106] gwg my son has a charity basketball game Friday night so I won't be around. How do you feel about Japanese and Duck Pin Bowling Saturday?
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jmac No problem! I am sorry the PVD meetup didn't work out (I would kind of have no excuse not to go to that, haha).
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[jgmac1106] PVD meetup can work out as soon as you and eduquinn tell me the time and place to show up
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jmac :)
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Not much for Japanese, but will come for bowling
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[jgmac1106] okay will pick a different place
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[jgmac1106] we don't have a meet up sponsor yet so I am assuming none at all and I want to offer a non-alcohol focused meet up (Alley may serve beer I can't remember but it isn't a bar)
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[jgmac1106] but I will do one lunch here: http://www.sushipalace.us/menu/Menu.htm
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[jgmac1106] You said Italian is good correct?
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[jgmac1106] this is next to Duck Pin Bowling and where we get our pies anyway: https://dimatteosrestaurant.com/ they have a decent gravy so the dishes are good
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GWG Gravy?
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[jgmac1106] sorry tomato sauce
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Never heard that
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[jgmac1106] https://www.orderisda.org/culture/language/sauce-or-gravy-a-debate-for-the-ages/ I am not Italian...married into an immigrant family. just kinda picked it up along the way
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[jgmac1106] !tell jeremycherfas we want a Sauce vs Gravy episode?? Find Italian-Americans on each side of the debate, and then interview some Italian cooks to make fun of both
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] sorry thought we were in chat
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I just through a call out on the #IndieWeb Dev channel asking about what the heck is HAX and what is going here? Love commitment to web components and seems HTML first...which is my big push for #OER (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/QVGMi) (twitter.com/_/status/1108171008895270913)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here the #IndieWeb HTML instead of LMS sites I been working on: https://glitch.com/@jgmac1106/indie-web-learning-networks I am using Known as my social stream so I carries alls the metadatas...even something used by Sumerian librarians once, think people only use the… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/20/btopro-here-the-indieweb-html-instead (twitter.com/_/status/1108173476236574720)
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@miklb ↩️ If we are pimping static generators check out @eleven_ty That’s my future. Just a lot of moving parts to get my 14yr old indieweb-ish blog moved. (twitter.com/_/status/1108180825873494016)
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[chrisaldrich] tantek++ for researching, building, and deploying /alt
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@liberatr ↩️ You just said the magic word: #indieweb is a reason I am skeptical about going to a static site. I have always been into podcasting, aggregation, feeds, etc. I think of myself as a publisher, even if I have not been punishing much recently. (twitter.com/_/status/1108181707423809536)
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[jgmac1106] being a publisher is always punishing
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Actually woke up this morning pointing people to #@elven_ty #IndieWeb tutorials. I am using Known...I didn't migrate...just archived it and gave up trying to correctly write redirects for apache...@kevinmarks showed me spiderpig may use… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/20/miklb-liberatr-actually-woke-up-this-morning (twitter.com/_/status/1108183446285893632)
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@depone Heute um 18:30 Uhr findet wieder der Karlsruher Homebrew Website Club im @cafenun statt. Kommt vorbei und frickelt mit uns an Eurer Webseite. Weitere Infos: https://indieweb.org/events/2019-03-20-homebrew-website-club#Karlsruhe (twitter.com/_/status/1108284403883667456)
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jamietanna Is there a matrix.org bridge for #microformats, or is it just for #indieweb?
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Zegnat I thought Matrix just auto-bridged with Freenode as a whole? Should be able to have them bridge it
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Zegnat jamietanna: does https://riot.im/develop/#/room/#freenode_#microformats:matrix.org work?
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Zegnat has never tried Matrix
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Zegnat All Freenode channels should be accessible through their bridge: https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode/
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tantek.com edited /alt (+950) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ subheads for IndieWeb Examples, need example post permalinks and dates of first posts with alts! added multiphoto example" (view diff)
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[tantek] !tell [Rose],jeremycherfas,[jgmac1106],[chrisburnell],[chrisaldrich],gRegorLove could you update your entry in https://indieweb.org/alt#IndieWeb_Examples by adding a permalink to an example post of yours with an image with an alt? And when (YYYY-MM-DD) you started publishing posts with img with alt? (preferably with a permalink to that post as well) Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jamietanna Thanks Zegnat, that worked! I'm still pretty new to it, but looks like when trying to go via the mobile app it didn't quite find it :)
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jeremycherfas !tell [tantek] I'll add a recent example but I'm not inclined to go trawling back for the very first one. I've tried to add alt text since I first started putting images in my sites.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [jgmac1106] left you a message 9 hours, 41 minutes ago: we want a Sauce vs Gravy episode?? Find Italian-Americans on each side of the debate, and then interview some Italian cooks to make fun of both
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [tantek] left you a message 12 minutes ago: could you update your entry in https://indieweb.org/alt#IndieWeb_Examples by adding a permalink to an example post of yours with an image with an alt? And when (YYYY-MM-DD) you started publishing posts with img with alt? (preferably with a permalink to that post as well) Thanks!
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jeremycherfas !tell [jgmac1106] I'll listen to it when you've made it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] jamietanna, could you also update your entry in https://indieweb.org/alt#Jamie_Tanna by adding a permalink to an example post of yours with an image with an alt? And when (YYYY-MM-DD) you started publishing posts with img with alt? (preferably with a permalink to that post as well) Thanks!
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jamietanna Sure thing tantek - I'll try and dig up my first post with it!
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Zegnat Would it be worth adding Matrix bridge links for all channels to /discuss?
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jamietanna[m] I think it may just be me being a noob at all of this and not realising how to get onto the other channels from Matrix, but it could be worth it if it reduces barrier to entry a little bit more?
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Zegnat Trying to weight the reduction in barrier (for people who are apparently chosing to use Matrix already!) against the visual aspect of such a big link dump
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jamietanna[m] Yeah I feel that - I think if I'd have thought about it / read some more on Matrix's docs I'd have not needed to ask about it.
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jamietanna[m] Maybe instead we should say that Matrix.org has a bridge for other channels, and to search within your Matrix client for them? Maybe linking to some external docs for it?
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Mikaela You may be looking for https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks and some other pages on that wiki?
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Zegnat That is an idea, yeah, we could just document that all the channels are available on Matrix because all of Freenode is, and then link to Matrix docs about it!
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[jgmac1106] tantek it is done but I put a disclaimer as first does not indicate on regular basis
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[jgmac1106] jaimetanna I am having trouble adding rooms to matrix as well: https://riot.im/develop/#/room/#freenode_#microformats:matrix.org I tried that. I added IndieWeb at some point...
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ pretty neat stuff. Bunch of @IndieWebCamps today (12 I think) you should stop by one and show it off. I like me a text editor and some HTML....old dog... Reliable tricks (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/PP6Fd) (twitter.com/_/status/1108344796316344326)
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[jgmac1106] Tantek Jeremy Keith's book are stellar mentor text in accessibility.
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[jgmac1106] Though omone I forked didn't do image resizing just serves up 3 different sized images..Haven't checked newer titles
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@judithnatj ↩️ @JamieTanna Hi Jamie - looking forward to #homebrewwebsiteclub tonight. Do we need anything other than laptops? (twitter.com/_/status/1108360411232067587)
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@rossk I've been working on an IndieAuth implementation (a shim over AWS Cognito). It's got a ways to go, but it was pretty exciting when I was able to log in to the IndieWeb wiki with it https://indieweb.org/User:Ross.karchner.com (twitter.com/_/status/1108377259273056261)
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@cowglow Tonight is the Homebrew Website Club! Time to work on your website! (twitter.com/_/status/1108379696436314113)
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@JamieTanna Looking forward to the first #HomebrewWebsiteClub in #Nottingham later today in @Ludorati! Bring a laptop if you have one, as well as your site, or an idea for a site, to hack on at the meeting! (twitter.com/_/status/1108394364315799552)
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[tantek] jamietanna++
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[tantek] Could someone (anyone, or especially who is an organizer) post and POSSE about the fact that we hit a record 11 Homebrew Website Club meetups this week? 10 cities across three continents, and one virtual EU meetup! https://indieweb.org/events/2019-03-20-homebrew-website-club
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[tantek] including first-timers Accra, Nottingham, and Guadalajara!
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[tantek] Karlsruhe is still new too - I think it's their second meetup this week?
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[jgmac1106] I am on it...
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@jgmac1106 What an amazing day! #IndieWeb keeps growing. So excited that we broke a record!! 11 Homebrew website Clubs across the globe. Including four new Clubs: Accra, Nottingham, and Guadalajara! and Karlushe Find one or start one near you: … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/20/what-an-amazing-day-indieweb-keeps-growing (twitter.com/_/status/1108400796310343686)
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[tantek] jgmac1106++
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@jgmac1106 @goifoundation https://sadik.goifnetwork.org https://masssly.goifnetwork.org https://uruslazage.goifnetwork.org I added minutes to our wiki: http://goifnetwork.org/Minutes thank you for teaching me about wikis. Next will record video to show you how to add yourself to #IndieWeb wiki… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/20/goifoundation-i-added (twitter.com/_/status/1108413463670464515)
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[tantek] Schmarty++ yay NYC makes it 12 total this week! (11 cities)
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Loqi 😄
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@davemillar ↩️ @stickermule @xoxo and @indiewebcamp Summit, and the National Puzzlers’ League convention. (twitter.com/_/status/1108453164548792320)
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[eddie] What is Kaja?
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Loqi Kaja is a bot run by Sven Knebel https://indieweb.org/Kaja
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[schmarty] NYC was already happening. i made the single-city event page back in Feb. I must have goofed and forgot to copy the deets to the multi-city event? or the changes got lost somehow.
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Zegnat Note: we’ll probably be discussing this more later, but we were looking at moving virtual HWC EU to Tuesdays. Input from anyone? jeremycherfas, petermolnar?
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[jgmac1106] I will selfishly vote for Tuesday..not a teaching day for me
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Many of the Homebrew Website Clubs have remote options and all @IndieWebCamp events have full remote option for all keynotes (stream), sessions (two way video, etherpad, wiki, irc/slack), and then hack day we have fun ways to keep remote… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/03/20/btopro-many-of-the-homebrew-website (twitter.com/_/status/1108475653786124291)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Database divide aside: https://indieweb.org/database-antipattern I believe HTML to be most resilient thing on the web. I can teach you to make a webpage in a day and you can read it whether written on a literal stone tablet or Apples latest 24 inch tablet. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/27N7Rc) (twitter.com/_/status/1108476439693873154)
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@jalbertbowdenii ↩️ @meyerweb seems more pertinent to double down on @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1108477395206631425)
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@frankmeeuwsen Een van de oprichters van de Indieweb movement en voorvechters van het open web is van Twitter gekickt. Random, zonder aanwijsbare reden. (twitter.com/_/status/1108478088067862539)
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@frankmeeuwsen ↩️ @gvenk In de Indieweb chat lees je dat veel van zijn accounts op slot zijn. Er is iets vreemds aan de hand. https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-03-20#bottom (twitter.com/_/status/1108478990237552641)
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jeremycherfas I’m as ok with Tuesday as I am with Wednesday.
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[tantek] I support both!
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@jgmac1106 Last minute venue change for the Elm City Webmakers Homebrew Website Club. Heading to Junta meeting to celebrate launch of their website and help get #nhv latinx learners online. Join us 182 Temple Street. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/goEvC) (twitter.com/_/status/1108479650672582656)
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@alpower ↩️ @bastianallgeier @t @jack WTAF - ridiculous. I can see why Tantek has gone the IndieWeb route for so long now. (twitter.com/_/status/1108492657922359296)
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@jgmac1106 Discussing #IndieWeb and the upcoming @IndieWebCamp with https://uofnext.com can't wait for great things ahead... (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1qW64a) (twitter.com/_/status/1108492799249403906)
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@ohhelloana Just got home from #hwclondon #indieweb meet up only to find out that @t 's account has been suspended. WTH @TwitterSupport ? (twitter.com/_/status/1108492852441550852)
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@jgmac1106 Getting ready to launch our #IndieWeb efforts to increase the number of latinx youth in #nhv who control their identity on a Domain they own. Let's unleash a new generation of Latinx leaders. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1FfvKV) (twitter.com/_/status/1108494518125498368)
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@ken_bauer ↩️ @taevans @TECcampusGDL Not mine, courtesy of #IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1108496550899138568)
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@JamieTanna Thanks to all of you who came to the first #Nottingham #HomebrewWebsiteClub - I wrote a quick writeup of the event at https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/03/20/hwc-nottingham-session-1/?utm_medium=twitter #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1108499213162344449)
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[schmarty] hmmm. anyone know mediawiki magic here that can help with a (possibly ill-advised, possibly very useful) project to simplify duplicating HWC event pages?
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@jr_sawv The Open Web crushes silos. This behavior by Twitter is whacked. https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-03-20 > [tantek] and Twitter has errantly suspended my account. again. https://mobile.twitter.com/zeldman/status/1108401652946661379 > Welcome to Twitter, where Nazis and bots post freely, but @t is… http://sawv.org/2019/03/20/the-open-web-crushes-silos-this-behavior-by-twitter-is-whacked.html (twitter.com/_/status/1108499831843102721)
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[schmarty] specifically: i am thinking we can use some template magic to skip the step of find/replacing each instance of the HWC date, because it's in the page title
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[schmarty] i have a piece that can extract the URL down to, e.g. "2019-04-17-homebrew-website-club-nyc"
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[schmarty] but we don't seem to have any string functions available on our older mediawiki
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[schmarty] so i can't get that last mile of substringing out the event date.
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[schmarty] ponders changing these URLS to /events/2019-04-17/homebrew-website-club/nyc
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[aaronpk] The wiki isn't super old anymore, i haven't checked for updates in a while but it should be an easy upgrade now if we need to
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[schmarty] oh, looks like we need to set a flag to enable string functions ...
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[schmarty] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions#Configuration
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[schmarty] phew, this is kind of frustrating to research 😅
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[schmarty] figured it out with a really really stupid hack 😂
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[jgmac1106] One thing I learned... I need IWC flyers... People so excited and keep asking for one.. And I say, "No but we have a wiki..." they aren't excited any more
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jacky like a physical flyer?
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[jgmac1106] Yeah... Like made of paper
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jacky [jgmac1106]: how come?
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jacky I can see the case being made for a printer-page Web page of the IWC events
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gRegorLove schmarty++ hah, that's great!
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Loqi gRegorLove: [tantek] left you a message 13 hours, 36 minutes ago: could you update your entry in https://indieweb.org/alt#IndieWeb_Examples by adding a permalink to an example post of yours with an image with an alt? And when (YYYY-MM-DD) you started publishing posts with img with alt? (preferably with a permalink to that post as well) Thanks!