#meta 2019-05-05

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@apurv_mishra99 Here’s my first note! I want to try this as a way of posting small, random chunks of content. Hope to start posting some interesting tidbits. #indieweb https://apurvmishra.xyz/notes/2019-04-11/ (twitter.com/_/status/1124832104125063168)
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david.shanske.com edited /Vouch () "(-689) /* Issues */" (view diff)
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[Yulia] hey folks
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[Yulia] i am not at the office today, so if the 3rd floor door is closed, please ring the bell on the 4th floor
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[Yulia] also let the security guard know that i (yulia) wrote a short message in the slack regarding today
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Zegnat #ops had no notes, as the session didn't happen. It was me and Jan not being in the pictures session and that was it...
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Loqi Zegnat: [Rose] left you a message 8 hours, 51 minutes ago: Gregor didn't find any content in the etherpad for the one page site. Were any notes taken?
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[Yulia] i can communicate to them directly then
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[Yulia] [Zegnat] are you already at the office?
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Zegnat Also, hi Yulia, hope you'll feel better soon!
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Zegnat No, I'm on a train checking chat
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[Yulia] @GWG have you already arrived?
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[Yulia] ok great [Zegnat] i will keep an eye on here if anything is going wrong
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GWG Not yet. Security isn't there till 9:30, so I figured I'd show up around then
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[Yulia] at least until everyone is inside
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GWG Feel better
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[Yulia] @GWG great thanks for the update
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[Yulia] thanks
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Zegnat My ETA at Warschauer Str. is 9:24, for anyone who cares!
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[Yulia] great
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[Yulia] ok i will check back in at 9:30
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GWG Can the security guard open up the walls?
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[tantek] gRegorLove++ thanks for etherpad archiving!!
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Loqi gRegorLove has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (89 in all channels)
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GWG On the move
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@glueckpress Here's your Sunday sermon, people. I'm on my way to day two of #IndieWebCamp Berlin, couldn't feel more inspired to get my hands on the keyboard and make good, open source stuff. ✊ (twitter.com/_/status/1124935720831991808)
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Zegnat ETA @ Moz: 9:36.
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[Yulia] @gwg yes they can
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[Yulia] you just need to ask
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[Yulia] @GWG ^
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GWG I am heading over the bridge now
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[Rose] I am also Moz bound.
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[Yulia] ok -- just waiting to hear from the receptionist..
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Loqi ok has -1 karma over the last year
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[Rose] Rather behind Zegnat and GWG
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[Yulia] tantek is also on the way
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[Rose] ok++
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[Yulia] receptionist is there
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[Yulia] 4th floor door is open, just asked them to go down stairs
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[tantek] Yes on my way. Thanks Yulia!
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[Yulia] i didn't get a confirmation from the receptionist that he is down stairs
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[Yulia] but he might be on the 3rd now, waiting for you folks
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[tantek] GWG, Zegnat, [Rose] get set up in the main room to start the day
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[Yulia] ^ if the rooms need reorganizing, just ask the person helping with the sign ins, he knows how to operate the walls
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[Rose] Nearly there, I can see GWG in front of me
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GWG Okay
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Zegnat Rose, GWG, and I are in. So is Sonny.
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[Yulia] fanstastic
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Zegnat Guard is on 4th floor for check-in. Rooms have not been opened so I'll go ask him about that
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[Yulia] [Zegnat] do you want it to be a single room in the morning?
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Zegnat I think we are thinking of opening one wall. So have one big room for collecting everyone in the morning, but keep the option of a quiet writing room
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[Yulia] ok
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Zegnat Rose has gone to see if the guard wants to come down to operate the wall for us
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[tantek] GWG can you set up the remote streaming in the main room so sknebel can see us?
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GWG Waiting on the wall coming down
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@ton_zylstra Hoe jij kunt bijdragen aan #indiewebcamp Utrecht op 18 en 19 mei, door @frankmeeuwsen https://diggingthedigital.com/indiewebcamp-utrecht/. Come find the others, en schrijf je in! https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-utrecht-tickets-60457184065?ref=ecount (twitter.com/_/status/1124946712940961792)
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[tantek] I’m at reception on the 4th floor. Guard coming to retract the wall
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[calumryan] We're waiting outside the gate
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[calumryan] Someone just arrived to open the gate
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[Rose] Sorry!
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GWG Live Hangout https://meet.google.com/wnw-mnsf-bji
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[tantek] what is hangout
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "hangout" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "hangout is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is hangouts
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Loqi Hangouts is Google's messaging tool that supports chat, groups, and videoconferencing https://indieweb.org/Hangouts
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[tantek] Hangout is /Hangouts
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is live
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/live
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[Rose] If you are stuck outside please let us know and tell us where you are
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[calumryan] Sign by the elevator still directing to the 3rd floor - should we marker pen change it to the 4th?
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GWG sknebel: I got you remote capabilities
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[Rose] Yes
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[Rose] *Calum
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[calumryan] Done
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[tantek] Thanks calumryan!
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[tantek] noted that we have 3 requests for vegan pizza (plus 1 one more coming at lunch), and 3 requests for would like meat on their pizza. everyone else will eat whatever pizza we get (vegetarian)
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[Yulia] hey folks, I don't know if the guard has mentioned it yet -- but we have the space booked until 6, with a bit of roll over till 6:30
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[Yulia] yesterday I think the event ran until 5:30? so just so everyone knows the guard will be moving people out between 6:00 and 6:30 pm
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[tantek] 👍
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The indieweb protocols can be a basis for this, but the encryption model is https+ oauth,just rooted in individual sites not centralised. If you want full e2e scuttlebutt or DAT may fit better, but addresses suck there (twitter.com/_/status/1124994274334998528)
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[tantek] Chanel is at the gate, can someone there let her in?
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[tantek] She's in
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@frankmeeuwsen We hebben nog plekken over op IndieWebCamp Nederland, 18 en 19 mei. Je hoeft niet beide dagen te komen. Lees zelf hoe jij kunt bijdragen aan het event. Inschrijving is gratis. https://diggingthedigital.com/indiewebcamp-utrecht/ (twitter.com/_/status/1124997566079406080)
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[tantek] Thanks [Jan_Dinter]
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[Jan_Dinter] No news from the pizza guys yet
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[Joel] Did you order in Bitcoin ?
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[tantek] lol no
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calumryan.com edited /events/2019-05-15-homebrew-website-club-london (+16) "/* RSVP */ Add London attending" (view diff)
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[Caspar] [Jan_Dinter] Can we nudge them with a phone call? 🙂
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[tantek] [Yulia] suggested that if we don't hear from them by 1:15 after we ordered that we call (or write to?) lieferando
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[Yulia] yes, they should be able to sort it out
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[Yulia] did you give a phone number to call?
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[Yulia] they will probably arrive before then -- if they accept the order, i have never had an experience where they cancel
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[Yulia] but i have had one time when they forgot... hopefully such a large order isn't forgetable
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[Yulia] (not this place specifically, just with delivery in berlin in general)
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[tantek] yes they have [Jan_Dinter]'s number to call if necessary
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[tantek] reminder to everyone <!here>: let's take a Sunday group photo once the food is here!
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[tantek] Gatekeepers! Order is on its way - should be there in a minute!
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[tantek] [Joel] ^^^
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[Caspar] They're here!
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[tantek] Great!
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[Caspar] We're coming up, can somebody open the for on 3rd floor please?
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[Caspar] [Jan_Dinter]?
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[tantek] Everyone at the camp get enough lunch?
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tantek.com edited /2019/Berlin/expenses (+141) "day 2 lunch pizzas, previously, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/Berlin/expenses (+76) "currency_symbol = €, see also" (view diff)
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@BasilWheel ↩️ @craiu my friend, explain....https://indieweb.org/Mumble (twitter.com/_/status/1125028232095588352)
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GWG http://youtu.be/1vNuH20GGMw - Livestream
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GWG Zegnat and [Rose] demo Microsub on Mobile and Web
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@indiewebcat Watching the @indiewebcamp Berlin demos! #indieweb #indiewebcamp https://t.co/p4xF0iqWaI (twitter.com/_/status/1125052869957210113)
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GWG [Rose] is RosemaryOrchard.com
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GWG And is on deck
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GWG [Rose] added icons to her site, added a permalink, and went grey
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GWG Now, Zegnat
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GWG Zegnat has a lot of info in his profile.
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GWG Next up is [sonny], who has no website
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GWG Spent the day thinking about a domain. And finally decided to code the site without having a domain
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GWG Wrote a very simple WIP IndieAuth implementation being tested with Omnibear(web extension for Firefox)
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GWG Then nothing happens as website not online
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Zegnat Chris is up next. Shows how he has created an issue against a WP plugin for greenness checking – to see if they can come up with a good automated scheme
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Zegnat Now showing code that takes a domain name and will show whether it is known to be green
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Zegnat Also worked on a tool that does a trace on the domain, following all the hops. Giving people a better idea of infrastructure
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Zegnat “Most of the internet runs on coal right now”
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Zegnat His projects are on GitHub for people to help with
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Zegnat Next up: Ian cubicgarden.com
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Zegnat Came in late today, and went on to try IndieAuth
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Zegnat Showng the IndieAuth flow starting at indieauth.com, but it ends in an error when approving access
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Zegnat Also added the Green Web Foundation badge to his site
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Zegnat next up: Calum
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Zegnat did not do “anything inovative” this time
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Zegnat Added an exra field for alt attribute on photos, and it should also go out to Twitter through bridgy
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Zegnat Implemented part of the map for his events page
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Zegnat Should have both upcoming and previous events, possible option to add coverage of said events
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Zegnat Relaunched indiewebguides.org
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Zegnat Showing of how you can search for specific terms etc
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Zegnat Next up toni.mattis.berlin
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Zegnat Another Green Web Foundation badge! And a big “yes” from Chris!
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Zegnat Build a new Python implementation from scratch to do IndieAuth, because he couldn’t find another Python implementation
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Zegnat Shows how he can sign in to the wiki
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Zegnat Next up caspar: glueckpress.com
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Zegnat He “installed all the things”
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Zegnat Worked on including the author h-card on his site, got it added to his footer
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Zegnat Then worked on a PR to an IndieWeb WordPress plugin to get the plugin to use an actual template file
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Zegnat Which means you can now overwrite the default from the plugin from your own theme, where the HTML should probably live anyway
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Zegnat Got his photo to show on the indie RSVP on 2019.indieweb.org/berlin
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[jgmac1106] [calumryan] for the IndieWeb guides I kind of mapped out this journey on Google Slides: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vUCtNPAr6yMvPXdquRnOC7okHJWf7pOb54PUXdssBQI/edit?usp=sharing
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Zegnat Custom WP plugin he used, from #indieweb-wordpress: https://gist.github.com/glueckpress/23549f9d381f16c1114c7887de77f063
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Zegnat Next up: sgreger
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[jgmac1106] these guides are awesome
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Zegnat Showing his site, running on WordPress, but he is in the process of moving to Kirby
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Zegnat What is Kirby?
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Loqi Kirby is a filed-based CMS written in PHP https://indieweb.org/Kirby
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Zegnat The problem is missing out on the indieweb plugins’ functionality
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@ton_zylstra Join #indieweb #IndieWebCamp Utrecht on May 18th and 19th. Take the web in your own hand, own what you share. Register (free): https://www.eventbrite.com/e/indiewebcamp-utrecht-tickets-60457184065 More info: https://indiewebcamp.nl and http://indieweb.org General info: https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1125059231139487744)
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Zegnat There was webmention code for the previous version of Kirby, but nothing for the new version 3
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GWG Everytime someone says WordPress in chat, my phone beeps
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Zegnat He has been working on a new webmention flow
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Zegnat Decided to split into two separate plugins: sending webmentions, and incoming webmentions (and comments)
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Zegnat Live test of creatng a post with a link to a webmention rocks test page
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Zegnat It showed up on Webmention Rocks! Success!
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Zegnat The Kirby backend will also show URLs it has sent mentions to
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Zegnat Build a comment form for the posts as well, which is not something Kirby offers
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Zegnat Has a comment moderation feed behind that, where he will need to manually approve comments first
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Zegnat Incoming webmentions (should be the same as people leaving comments on the page) but were trickier
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Zegnat Incoming webmentions are made to be processed asynchronously
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Zegnat Shows how a webmention has now shown up in the same moderation queue!
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Zegnat (Aside: it also pings archive.org)
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GWG The sleeping giant, tantek awakes!
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Zegnat Just an hour ago it worked for the first time after weeks of work
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aaronpk The livestream delay is about the same as the time it takes to type what he's saying so I'm seeing chat say stuff at the same time the person demoing speaks :-)
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GWG Sory
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GWG Sorry
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Zegnat jandinter.net - now has an h-card
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Zegnat he also played with the styling to get a little easter egg going!
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Zegnat next up: GWG
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[Rose] (And XING and LinkedIn switched places on Jan's site!)
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Zegnat Has been working on the IndieAuth WP plugin to give a better experiences
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Zegnat You can now create tokens in the WP back-end with any arbitrary scopes you may want to add
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Zegnat Also added bulk actions, which lets you expire tokens en masse
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Zegnat Worked on including the authorization header checking script as a more native part of WP
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Zegnat Showing what happens when the Authorization header is missing: which includes the lines you may need for htaccess
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[jgmac1106] oooh expiring private posts for people......wow....so many possibilities
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aaronpk GWG++ I'm looking forward to people no longer getting mad at my projects when they can't log in because of their server problem :-)
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Loqi GWG has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (166 in all channels)
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aaronpk hahaha what Tantek
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Loqi rofl
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Auto expiring tokens is next
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Zegnat Next up is tantek
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Zegnat showing how his website is no longer matrix style (as during intros)
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Zegnat but back to normal. But there is now a quick icon you can click if you want to get it back
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Zegnat this is using a class and css variables
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Zegnat This makes it easy to add new styling over time
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Zegnat Now looking into how the style can keep being applied to all permalinks within the site
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[Rose] Any remote demos?
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Zegnat sebsel, demo?
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[Rose] Zegnat just demoed for Peter Molnar, specifically the links of where things have been syndicated to, and the dark/light theme support.
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aaronpk indiewebcat fell asleep watching the demos
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GWG That isn't an endorsemennt of how fascinating we were
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aaronpk she is a cat after all, unless you are food or tiny objects moving quickly it's hard to hold her attention
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[jgmac1106] its not you @indiewebcat just sick of all the Auth talk...can never escape
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GWG [jgmac1106]: What's wrong with Auth?
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GWG So many people had trouble I wanted to try to make it easier to diagnose
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[jgmac1106] reference to a cat not being able to escape talk of authentication when the person the cat own's works as an evangelist
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[jgmac1106] a punchline that failed to land that is all
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Zegnat petermolnar: got a little demo. To show Flickr syndication. And then to show the dark/light mode (that will follow along with your OS settings)
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[Rose] Darn, I forgot to "demo" my updated wiki profile: https://indieweb.org/User:Rosemaryorchard.com
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aaronpk wow Rose are you going to all three IWCs this month?
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[Rose] Yup
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aaronpk [Rose]++ amazing!
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Loqi [Rose] has 6 karma in this channel over the last year (29 in all channels)
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[Rose] Seemed like a fun opportunity 😄
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Zegnat tantek is wrapping us up, thanks to Moz for the venue, Helpful Digital for sponsoring some of the food
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Zegnat Thanks to [Yulia] for local organisation
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Zegnat Thanks to GWG for the live streaming
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Zegnat Thanks to Rose for all the volunteer work
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Zegnat Thanks to tantek for organising
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Zegnat Shout out for HWC Berlin as well
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Zegnat Notes done, time for cleanup
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aaronpk Now indiewebcat is taking a bath
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[Rose] Indieweb cat is very cute.
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@Cambridgeport90 I want to put up a Micropub server instance to go along with my IndieWeb adventures, but I can't do that until I find a suitable server for it. Space is limited ... dang it all ... (twitter.com/_/status/1125073508357292033)
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petermolnar Zegnat++
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Loqi Zegnat has 43 karma in this channel over the last year (145 in all channels)
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Loqi petermolnar: sknebel left you a message 4 days ago: IWC Oxford: https://deploy-preview-14--wonderful-panini-7c4e6c.netlify.com/#2019:4-indiewebcamp
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petermolnar thank you! :D
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[calumryan] [jgmac1106] on your slides, could you pull request this in a journey section for the starter guides?
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@cafenun Code für dein Leben Homebrew Website Club https://www.nun.cafe/konzerte-lesungen-kabarett-karlsruhe-events/2019/3/20/homebrew-website-club-x4b9s-epfm3 (twitter.com/_/status/1125138273289023490)
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boffosocko.com created /Indieweb_for_Education/WPCampus2019proposal (+6325) "WPCampus 2019 proposal" (view diff)
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@calum_ryan Demos, wrap-up from this weekend's IndieWebCamp Berlin (https://calumryan.com/note/2648) (twitter.com/_/status/1125138831873851392)
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@calum_ryan Demos, wrap-up from this weekend's IndieWebCamp Berlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vNuH20GGMw (https://calumryan.com/note/2649) (twitter.com/_/status/1125139524504494080)
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aaronpk GWG: have you used Zoom.us before?
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GWG I think one time, why?
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aaronpk i'm wondering if it would make sense to use it for recording/streaming indiewebcamps
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aaronpk you can use an ipod to host a meeting, so it would be easier than using a whole laptop for it
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aaronpk and they have an option to enable broadcasting to youtube
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aaronpk oh, nvm, the youtube streaming can only be started from a computer 🤦
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[tantek] Wait I thought you did it from an old iPhone at IWC NYC?
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GWG aaronpk: What if someone at home recorded the stream?
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GWG And the event just joined it?
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GWG Sorry for the delay...checking into the hotel at DUB
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aaronpk i was thinking about something for breakout sessions where you want to talk to remote people too
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aaronpk one-way broadcasting is easier
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GWG aaronpk: I think we need to talk about kits and make sure we know who has what
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aaronpk will you be in dusseldorf? i forget
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GWG No.
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GWG Could only do one
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GWG I'll be remote
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aaronpk i'm bringing my streaming kit to broadcast intros/demos, the one that can mix in the presenter's slides into the stream
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aaronpk but wondering what I should do about the other rooms
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GWG Well, maybe someone else can bring a loaner computer or two
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GWG aaronpk: Too early to talk plans for Summit?
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aaronpk never too early
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GWG aaronpk: It's too late for the next two, but we need to figure out lanyards, badges, streaming computers, etc
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GWG And if we do it early, there's time to discover mistakes
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aaronpk i have a ton of paper badges from IWS that I can bring to dusseldorf, and also hand off to someone for Utrecht
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GWG There was a discussion at Berlin about reusable ones.
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GWG Yulia had reusable post its
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GWG Also the price of rtsp streamers is way down
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GWG Epiphan Webcaster X2 - The Simplest Encoder for Facebook, YouTube, and More. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0741C4NMY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_-s3ZCbG8ZB1AF
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GWG This looks promising as a device
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aaronpk oh yeah
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aaronpk i've looked into that one before but haven't used it yet
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aaronpk i'll give it a shot