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aaronpk [rose] since I see you on the volunteer list for Düsseldorf, would you be willing to help me try out a Zoom-based remote participation setup? I am considering subscribing to three accounts for this month so we can try it out at both Düsseldorf and Utrecht. if it works well at DUS, then you can help people get set up in Utrecht since you'll be there too.
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aaronpk if *that* goes well, then we should probably actually use that instead of Vidyo at Summit
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@t During #IndieWebCamp #Berlin I built a simple theme switcher for my site! hyperlinks -> URL query param -> PHP to add class to <body> & query param to local links -> CSS class selectors -> CSS variables -> colors & font. No cookies, no JS. #indieweb https://tantek.com/t50P1 (twitter.com/_/status/1125927388833931264)
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aaronpk oops
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aaronpk this isn't bad
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GWG aaronpk: What isn't?
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aaronpk when you're logged in to zoom and the "webinars" are scheduled, they show up here https://media.aaronpk.com/Screen-Shot-2019-05-07-19-14-20-AhN4Fss5Hv.jpg
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aaronpk so I just need to create placeholders for all the sessions on the three accounts
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aaronpk works on ipad too nice
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GWG Great
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aaronpk Hmm I wonder if actually using the automatic cloud recording instead of pushing to youtube is a better plan
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aaronpk it'll mean downloading and uploading to YouTube later but it will be all very well organized
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GWG At the least, it would save a lot per month
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GWG And if you share the information, you can have help in doing it.
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aaronpk I will have to check if it's possible to join a zoom meeting without an account or with a free account without the webinar add on
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Zegnat aaronpk, is it possible to do both cloud recording and youtube streaming?
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[Rose] !tell aaronpk, yes! I'm very happy to help with that.
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[Rose] And yes, the attendees just need a free account.
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[Rose] They don't need to pay.
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[Rose] The organiser can record on their machine with Zoom, but if we want higher fidelity recordings then recording your screen separately is a good idea.
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@RosemaryOrchard ↩️ I have one for my Max and it's very useful when I need more battery power! I used it this weekend at @indiewebcamp and didn't need to plug my iPhone in until I got home at home 11am, despite using it all day. (twitter.com/_/status/1125995116957720577)
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[Rose] Whoops, forgot that happens.
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@erwblo #Handpicked: Hou zelf controle met het IndieWeb! https://www.getrevue.co/profile/fastmoving/archive/177485 (twitter.com/_/status/1126025923898302465)
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[frank] Pretty cool to see IWC Utrecht featured this morning in Handpicked, in a good Dutch newsletter for entrepeneurs, developers and makers! See Loqi's bot-URL-thingie above.
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[frank] Can someone explain to me what the difference in focus is in channels Meta, Chat and Indieweb? If I want to discuss some ideas and thoughts on IWC, what's the proper channel? /me thinks Indieweb?
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@frankmeeuwsen Dank je wel vriend Erwin voor de shoutout naar #IWCUtrecht volgend weekend! Komt allen en redt het web! https://www.getrevue.co/profile/fastmoving/issues/handpicked-hou-zelf-controle-met-het-indieweb-177485 (PS: We zoeken nog een lunchsponsor, wie denkt mee?) (twitter.com/_/status/1126029810952749056)
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[Rose] Chat is unlogged, so off topic. Meta is event and wiki related stuff, and indieweb is everything else. This is what I _think_, I might be wrong.
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Zegnat What is discuss?
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Loqi Join the #indieweb discussions via the web, Slack, IRC, or Matrix interfaces now with additional channels for dev, wordpress, and meta specific chat! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/discuss#Chat_Channels - tries to capture the different reasons for the different channelts
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Zegnat If anything is unclear there, [frank], keep poking people until it is fixed ;)
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[Rose] Aha, That tallied with my brain! (Though not necessarily what I said)
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[frank] Story of my life [Zegnat], poking people because stuff is unclear... 🙂
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Zegnat Just need to be clear about the fact that most of us are fine with (digital) poking ;)
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Zegnat And you’ll have a couple of people with multiple IWC experiences in Utrecht who will probably happily volunteer to help IRL as well (poking optional)
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[frank] needs a new wiki entry about "indie-poking" 😉
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[Yulia] @GWG where can i send the videos?
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[frank] This afternoon I have a meetup with the owner of the IWC Utrecht venue. Anything specific you would like to know beforehand and I should ask him? See https://indieweb.org/2019/Utrecht/Planning#Check_with_venue
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Zegnat Anything they have that could help with streaming is nice to know.
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Zegnat Also: Eurovision event Saturday night, yay or nay? ;)
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Loqi 😃
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[Rose] If they don't have Wi-fi, are they ok with us bringing our own router for the weekend? (Yes, I own a travel router.)
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[Rose] And arranging tables, do they mind if we move things around? (Assuming we put it back afterwards of course)
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[frank] I know they have WiFi, even fiber I think. Generally, connectivity is not a big issue in the Netherlands. As long as you don't live in rural areas on the edges of the country...
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[Rose] It's just WiFi was on the list, that's all 😛
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[Rose] I vote for Yay on the Eurovision party, because people who don't care about Eurovision can still sit with those who do and talk about other things.
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Zegnat Thing is venue availability there. As Eurovision tends to run late.
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[frank] Will check!
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[frank] I think there are quite a few other places offer collaborative Eurovision viewingparties as well, if that's your thing 😉
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Zegnat I think sebsel said he knew of some places (though those may not have been in Utrecht). It is just nice to know if we want to do a viewing with people we know, haha
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[Rose] I approve of the Stroopwaffel entry on the list.
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[frank] There is one thing I'd like to check with IWC-veterans that has come up, especially with the photography policy. I have a long-standing friendship with HJ Winkeldermaat (https://punkmedia.nl) a good photographer from Arnhem. He has always done some amazing photo-work at events, (tries to) blog, has sympathy for what we do. He offered to come over on Saturday to shoot pics from the event and share those with us. Most of the time he puts them on
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[frank] sometimes he posts some of them on social media, but only after approval (I hope).
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[frank] How do you feel about a photographer coming over to make some great shots of the event? It can help to use them on the wiki for future events, maybe for your own site, maybe a new avatar pic?
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[Rose] I personally have no objection. In Berlin last weekend we added stickers to people's name tags - yellow meaning "please ask before you take my picture" and red being "please don't take my picture", as I have them in the organisers box I would propose we use them again, and that the photographer be made aware of their meaning. (No sticker means photographs are good!)
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[frank] Yes, I agree with the policy. I want to send him some more info later today on the how, why and what and thought I first check it here as well. I think the policy gives good boundaries and I will def share this with him.
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[Rose] This also means we won't have to find a way to prop up my iPhone to take pictures which sounds smart!
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[Rose] !tell Tantek,aaronpk,Zegnat please can you check with Frank on his questions regarding photography?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[frank] [Rose] ++
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[Rose] Frank++ for asking!
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jeremycherfas !tell [frank] Getting in to the building and rooms has been difficult at some places and for some people in the past. Good to check what access wil be like on both days.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[frank] It's on the list [jeremycherfas]
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[frank] Thanks
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jeremycherfas I will have iPhone and good microphone with me if that is any use for streaming. Never tried it myself, but happy to have it used.
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Zegnat .
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Loqi Zegnat: [Rose] left you a message 30 minutes ago: please can you check with Frank on his questions regarding photography?
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Zegnat I have returned from work meetings!
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Zegnat [frank], we have had dedicated photographers before. E.g. julieannenoying.com has been with us from Tollwerk and later on posted albums on https://www.flickr.com/photos/tollwerk/albums
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Zegnat So there is no reason why we couldn’t have that in Utrecht
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Zegnat We do always try and give people the option to chose not to be photographed. Berlin used red stickers for it. As long as the photographer is OK working with that, all seems good!
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[frank] OK, sounds good. Thanks [Zegnat]
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Zegnat [frank]: I believe the organiser kit in [Rose]’s possession has yellow and red stickers that can be put on badges to signify ask about photos and no photos respectively. But if you have a better way for people to show their photo preferences, make use of whatever you have :D
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Zegnat What is photo preferences?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "photo preferences" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "photo preferences is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat mm
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Zegnat What is photography policy?
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Loqi A photography policy or recording policy is an event policy to make it clear when photographing/recording is acceptable, and how attendees can communicate their preferences; IndieWebCamps are often livestreamed, and have photographers or organizers who take both informal session photos and group photos that are often published publicly https://indieweb.org/photography_policy
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Zegnat [frank] according to that page it was proposed to do green for explicit photo permission instead? ^^^
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Zegnat I don’t know who proposed it, or when. sebsel seems to have added it to the wiki.
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Zegnat !tell [Rose] did you end up taking the paper with the call-to-action for the photo stickers? Could you put a photograph of it on the wiki?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG !tell [Yulia] I'm not sure the best place to send them. We usually upload them to the Indiewebcamp Youtube account at the least. But due to the size, I'm not sure where you could put them that we could access them. There's that new Mozilla file sharing thing...can you get us a link using that?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[kevinmarks786] @gwg if the content is cc licensed, unloading to internet Archive is a good idea
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GWG [kevinmarks786]: It is, so that would also work.
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GWG We probably need to decide how we're going to do videos a bit more clearly.
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[Yulia] @gwg how about i compress them ahead of time and send them?
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GWG [Yulia]: That works.
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GWG Regardless of where we upload them, we need to be able to get at them
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GWG I've never done the uploading before, so I'll volunteer
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[jgmac1106] [frank] also important for your photographer to know all IWc related photos on the wiki get a public domain license. They need to be willing to give up rights
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[jgmac1106] well give up rigths sounds bad, share the rights with the world
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: that is only when uploaded to the wiki. E.g. the photos on the Tollwerk Flickr are not public domain
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[jgmac1106] yeah meant on the wiki...good to know about the Tollwerk photos, good model, and technically the wiki can use a CC-BY-SA photo just needs to attribute and note licesnse
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[Rose] Zegnat: I did, I'll try and photograph that soon.
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Zegnat [Rose]++ awesome!
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[Rose] (I took it because I'm lazy and didn't want to re-create it :P)
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Zegnat It has an example name badge on it, so makes for a good call-to-action example to put on the wiki for showing how we did it
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[Rose] I'm bringing my GoPro tri/monopod kit to all future IWCs I have decided.
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[Rose] So we can record video if we need to, and also because I can put any phone on the mount and use it to take pictures
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@ChangelingMx I would just like to take a minute to thank the members of the #IndieWeb community who have been dealing with me the last few weeks. With that said, someone could make a business out of managing people’s presence on the IndieWeb. There’s a lot to manage… https://www.starshipchangeling.net/769-2/ (twitter.com/_/status/1126080431630225410)
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[frank] [Zegnat] I proposed the green photobadge this weekend. But your remark earlier “no badge = OK to photograph” is one less barrier to entry. Which is better.
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Zegnat It is an opt-out vs opt-in thing. We would like to solve it through coloured lanyards in the future, everyone has one so everyone will have made a conscious choice
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[frank] [jgmac1106] thanks for the reminder on licenses. I believe he already does a lot of CC photography.
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[tantek] .
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Loqi [tantek]: [Rose] left you a message 2 hours, 19 minutes ago: please can you check with Frank on his questions regarding photography?
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[tantek] adding to wiki now
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[tantek] what Zegnat said
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[tantek] with reference to existing examples as well
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[tantek] moving green border proposal to separate Brainstorming section
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[tantek] since it's not part of the past and has never been done
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[tantek] !tell [Rose], [frank] moved green badge proposal to brainstorming, gave feedback (leaning against) inline with reasoning, citations of prior examples: https://indieweb.org/photography_policy#Brainstorming
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat [tantek]++
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[frank] Thanks Tantek
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[Rose] .
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[tantek] what is compatibility
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Loqi compatibility is compatible https://indieweb.org/compatibility
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[Rose] I think Zegnat missed a slash this morning
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[tantek] Zegnat ^^^ FYI you need to say is /compatible or else Loqi doesn't make the redirect
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Zegnat Woops, yeah, that was a bit of an oopsie!
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Zegnat Thanks for the catch, [tantek]!
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sknebel just noticed it while reading scrollback too :D - I wonder if Loqi should complain about too short definitions?
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[Rose] I would says less than 5 words might not be a definition and perhaps like retweeting should need someone else to confirm it?
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[tantek] Loqi could detect a one word definition and attempt to look for a page name to make a redirect instead
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sknebel or that
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[tantek] that would catch like 99% of these
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[Rose] I like the sound of that tantek
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sknebel Loqi issue filed
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[tantek] Venue confirmed for IWC Brighton 2019-10-19…20!
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[Rose] Yay!
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Loqi 😄
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[calumryan] adactio++
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swentel oooh
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swentel that's one I can make
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swentel never been there, been looking for an excuse to visit
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[frank] Let's see...Amsterdam - Brighton....
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[frank] Where's the Indieweb Travel Service? 😉
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[Rose] When might Amsterdam be?
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[frank] September
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[Rose] Indieweb travel service is me, at least according to Zegnat. I can help with travel planning in the chat channel :P
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[jgmac1106] As an FYI IWC Brighton is just before Mozfest...if you can swing both try
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I did! That's what prompted me to set it up. I'll definitely be there on Thursday. https://boffosocko.com/2019/05/04/indieweb-book-club-ruined-by-design/?replytocom=261001#respond https://boffosocko.com/2019/05/08/55751077/ (twitter.com/_/status/1126165027860312066)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] yes that is by design
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@t ↩️ Under the hood I wanted theming that is simple & maintainble. Perhaps implicit #indieweb pragmatic design principles, since we are creating features & systems that individuals can understand & maintain, likely those with less time (e.g. future selves). https://tantek.com/t50Q2 (twitter.com/_/status/1126202372961722368)
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@t ↩️ Prioritizing simple & maintainable is perhaps most in contrast to enterprise systems, or any system that requires a separate IT person. Minimum viable ops. #indieweb features & systems should be as easy (easier!) to setup & maintain than smartphones (... https://tantek.com/t50Q4 (twitter.com/_/status/1126210126212255744)
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@ChangelingMx One thing I’m figuring out as I become more and more #IndieWeb involved: I really don’t care about my following to follower ratio. I only need to do what pleases me, and everyone justs thinks I’m doing what pleases them. It’s the perfect relationship. (twitter.com/_/status/1126212464994062338)
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@oldaily Bridging the Indieweb and the Fediverse with Bridgy Fed #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/69457 This is a two-part article (part 1, part 2). (twitter.com/_/status/1126218713139765248)
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@heathr ↩️ Good for you! Yes, please post to your own site first! (Unlike what President Obama did which bummed me out) https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1126227697489698817)
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