#meta 2019-05-21

2019-05-21 UTC
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[Rose]
Who added Brent Simmons to the IWS to be invited list? I can ask him as I know him
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[Rose]
But I would ask him at WWDC in person personally 🙂
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[tantek]
[Rose] definitely feel free to reach out to Brent directly to invite him to IWS!
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[Rose]
Shall do!
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
I am thinking of ordering vegetarian (with vegan options) for IndieWeb Summit breakfasts and lunch (day two)
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[tantek]
I do still like the day 1 encouraging people to go out to lunch
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[tantek]
at food carts or wherever else we recommend
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aaronpk
yeah i think that's worked well
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[tantek]
I liked the topic-based lunch destinations that we did at Berlin, I thought it worked well to break down some social barriers (i.e. you could go to lunch with strangers without requiring prior social ties)
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aaronpk
we just need to plan 90 minutes for lunch not 60 in that case
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gRegorLove_
+1 to vegetarian and the lunch topics
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[Rose]
You definitely need more time for lunch then.
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gRegorLove
And always +1 to food trucks :)
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[Rose]
But the lunch topics were fun, not sure how productive the ones were that I wasn't at, and I do feel like I missed out a little because I couldn't eat multiple lunches simultaneously
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gRegorLove
"I don't think they know about second lunch, Pippen"
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[tantek]
second breakfast
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[tantek]
nevermind elevensies 🙂
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[tantek]
Last 48 hours to sign-up for XOXO BTW! Just saw the email
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[tantek]
Oooh it's going to shrink
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gRegorLove
Oh shoot, thanks for the reminder
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Zegnat
My only problem with vegetarian/vegan only is that those dishes are more likely to contain things I do not eat than meatier dishes. Although in Utrecht sebsel was fine to finish whatever I left on my plate, hahaha
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Loqi
rofl
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aaronpk
we should always ask for "special requests" on registrations, but meat can be requested specifically rather than assumed to be available
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Loqi
I agree
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Zegnat
Agreed
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doubleloop.net
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GWG_
Can I suggest lunch out day 2, in Day 1?
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GWG_
If you come back late on Hack Day not as much of an issue
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aaronpk
that's an interesting point
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aaronpk
the reason we do lunch out on day 1 is because it's more important that everyone take a break at the same time on day 1 but it isn't on day 2
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aaronpk
and for day 2, if we don't have a specific lunch time, i'd be worried that people might forget to go eat
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aaronpk
but, open to suggestions tho!
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Zegnat
And one of the reasons I think [tantek] mentioned for catering lunch on day 2 is that people specifically do not need to leave the venue on hack day
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[manton]
Speaking of Brent Simmons (from the earlier discussion) this line from his latest blog post is very IndieWeb-y. "And it’s a reminder that we can create things that don’t appear on Twitter, Facebook, or Medium. Putting up a website isn’t hard. And it’s fun!"
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sknebel
interesting, I found the lunch topic thing in Berlin more a hassle, both because of the time the constraint solving took and the prospect of eating something I wasn't in the mood for if I wanted to avoid topics I knew I didn't really want to talk about, and ended up going to none of the proposed places (caveated with that I wasn't in the best mood due to being ill)
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aaronpk
good points
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aaronpk
i wasn't there so i haven't experienced that yet, but I do like the idea that it gives newcomers an easy way to find people to eat lunch with without having to "ask permission", maybe there's some way to do both
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sknebel
I wonder if catering day 1 increases or decreases mingling during lunch there
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aaronpk
i'm open to trying new things this year at summit
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sknebel
I'd guess at the latter, but I'm not sure
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aaronpk
lunch sessions with catered lunch seems like it'd be best of both worlds
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aaronpk
assuming catered lunch meets everyone's dietary restrictions
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johanbove.info
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GWG_
I still didn't get my fish
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GWG_
I seem to have bad luck trying to get a fish place
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GWG_
I fear this will become a meme
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gRegorLove
I like go out to lunch on day 1 for the social aspect too. You just saw most people intro themselves, now you have a chance to talk to them.
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gRegorLove
I also just like getting outside in Portland :)
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[tantek]
GWG, perhaps you can do some research beforehand and suggest fish places / carts
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[tantek]
what gRegorLove said. We're spending so much time indoors on a Saturday that it's just plain healthier to take a break and get some outside air, sun etc. Also helps with a mental reset between discussion topics, which is more important on day 1 than 2
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[tantek]
sknebel, sorry to hear the topic-lunch thing in Berlin didn't work for you
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[tantek]
we did give people the opportunity to propose additional places (I think a few did?) for the lunch
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[tantek]
I would suggest rather than worrying about avoiding topics, to instead seek out which topic(s) you prefer over others. Also I'm curious which topics elicited a strong "avoid" response - perhaps we can be sensitive to that in the future
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[tantek]
GWG, there's at least one sushi place nearby, would that satisfy your fish getting?
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[tantek]
When I get my Foursquare account back I can also try to look some up 🙂
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aaronpk
i think the point was that you might be interested in a topic but not interested in the corresponding food
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aaronpk
or vice versa
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[tantek]
same problem as normal sessions. interested in a topic but don't like the room / conflicts.
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[tantek]
and same answer, speak-up and discuss with the person that proposed the topic!
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aaronpk
that's not really the same problem
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aaronpk
because not liking the room does not have the side effect of not getting fed
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[tantek]
true. also Portland food locations are more clustered than they were in Berlin. plus food carts
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aaronpk
and asking people to speak up counters the goal of having the lunch sessions be easy to join without having to be bold
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[tantek]
there was also no limit to people proposing
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GWG_
I am not big on sushi. But I can find something in that food market
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[tantek]
and that's a reasonable request, that people speak up for a topic they want to discuss with a lunch place that fits their requirements, rather than being a passive participant
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GWG_
They have the Frying Scotsman
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[tantek]
we didn't attempt to merge any lunch-topic sessions for example, deliberately to allow food-choice freedom among different session proposers
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GWG_
Maybe we need to have proposed venues in advance, but not topics
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[tantek]
I guess part of it is everyone has to decide for themselves which are they more picky / selective about, food type/choice, or topic
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[tantek]
if you're picky about both, then you have enough information to propose a new lunch-topic session
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[tantek]
we didn't quite guide it that explicitly, but we certainly could
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GWG_
I meant just have more information available on places
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GWG_
Not everyone knows Portland
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[tantek]
GWG, for Berlin we listed a half dozen places explicitly with types of food. Are you requesting something more?
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GWG_
I was saying that we need that for Portland
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GWG_
If we want to try that again
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[tantek]
Also, is it too presumptuous to assume <cityname> lunch + Google / Google Maps / Yelp / Foursquare is a technique known to most if not all for finding places in a city they don't know?
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GWG_
It seems like a conference thing to do to link to options though
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[tantek]
we did that last minute in Berlin, and mostly put names of places up on a board
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[tantek]
I dislike the "like a conference thing to do" reasoning, as it tends to imply/presume a *paid / professional* conference that has a paid organizer that can be asked to all kinds of tasks by attendees
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GWG_
We have time between now and then though.
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[tantek]
GWG, are you volunteering to make a list?
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GWG_
I am more thinking of helping people focus on the conferencing over the details
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GWG_
I will try, although I am not much of a Portland expert
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GWG_
I was just going to track down a list of those food trucks
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GWG_
There must be one somewhere
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[tantek]
you've been there a few times
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GWG_
I wasn't going to make recommendations specifically.
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GWG_
But I will have a look
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GWG_
Where does that belong?
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[tantek]
pretty sure there's a food section already
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GWG_
Will check
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GWG_
Any other tasks like that we might do?
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[tantek]
maybe check the inbox/todo list?
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GWG_
There's an inbox?
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GWG_
I see things on the wiki to do
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GWG_
Not sure re inbox
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[tantek]
when is Summit
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Loqi
IndieWeb Summit 2019 is on 2019-06-29 at Mozilla https://indieweb.org/Summit
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[tantek]
looks like it's missing, I'll expand
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tantek.com
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[tantek]
expanded per Berlin
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