#meta 2019-05-30

2019-05-30 UTC
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GWG I feel like I haven't seen schmarty around much lately.
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[tantek] I think emoji politics got him to show up
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aaronpk We call them five quadrants
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GWG I just want to talk IWC NYC
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[tantek] when is the next HWC NYC?
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Loqi what
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[frank] Ah yes! Nijntje (Miffy) 🐰 is an excellent choice for Utrecht [kevinmarks786] [tantek]
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[tonz] [kevinmarks] [tantek] [frank] my 3yo approves of Nijntje / Miffy as emoji for Utrecht too 🙂 So seconded from my side.
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[kevinmarks786] Talking of city emoji https://huyenchip.com/2019/05/28/metrotwitter.html
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-05-29-homebrew-website-club (+168) "/* Photos */ SF photo" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-06-12-homebrew-website-club (-7) "/* San Francisco */ indie event" (view diff)
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[tantek] posted indie event 2 weeks in advance this time!
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-469) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] gwg just got the email for IWC NYC to finalize dates
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[jgmac1106] hey everyone please start adding yourself here for planning NY...sending the dates to the venue: https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC
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sebsel lol, but if Bellingham and Seattle are the same because they are ~90mins apart, shouldn't Utrecht and Amsterdam be the same, because they are ~20mins apart? :P
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jeremycherfas I thought that was what everyone in Utrecht was saying, that it is just one big city with occasional green stretches inbetween.
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sebsel Ah, it has been reverted already. I think separate cities for everything is good, but it might be nice to organize them geographically
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sebsel People from, say, Rotterdam, will first look for Rotterdam, then for all of The Netherlands, and I assume people in Bellingham will do the same but with all of Washington?
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jeremycherfas I'm not actively following the wiki discussions.
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jeremycherfas I take your point, though.
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sebsel Adding a map would be the "easiest" :P
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jeremycherfas Don't talk to me about maps!
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seblog.nl edited /cities (+18) "add Düsseldorf" (view diff)
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[calumryan] A map may work well for city listings. I’ve started adding events with Leaflet Js attended/attending here https://calumryan.com/event/
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[jgmac1106] We used to plot a map of Mozilla Clubs
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[jgmac1106] Here is a good exam as well https://www.edcamp.org/edcamp-locations
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[jgmac1106] They had a map of previous edcamps as well
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seblog.nl edited /Berlin (+14) "linking the [[Germany]] page because there is one" (view diff)
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diggingthedigital.com edited /cities (+5) "/* Added Miffy emoji to Utrecht */" (view diff)
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sknebel reading scrollback, can I just say that "policies" around who's allowed to use emoji for their events and who is not sound like exactly the wrong kind of thing to spend time on?
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sknebel (not to mention, are you seriously considering to go after someone who ignores that rule?)
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sknebel really, we do not regulate every fun thing
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Zegnat I have long stopped keeping track of when something is a “regularly” organised thing, when it is not, etc. I do not even always remember to RSVP on the wiki for the vHWC that I maybe still officially co-organise (? sknebel clearly drives it for the moment). Most of the Åmål event organising has been happening on calls rather than on the wiki.
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Zegnat To me the wiki is more and more failing as an event tool, no matter how much cleanup we have been doing. Mostly because of an overall feeling than any concrete specific painpoints. (Or maybe it is an aggregation of small papercuts? Not sure.)
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www.ohhelloana.blog uploaded /File:hwc-london-2019-05-29.jpg "Group photo from London Homebrew Website London https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-london-2019-05-29.jpg"
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[Ana_R] https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/archives/C03QR2B4R/p1559158145216900
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[Ana_R] > Hi everyone, I hope this is the right channel. So i’m quite aware that I may not contribute much “tech wise” but I realised that there are no translations into Portuguese (https://indieweb.org/other-languages) and I can help with that! - is there any formal process I need to do? I’m a bit afraid of messing up
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[Ana_R] I had a look at https://indieweb.org/how-to-start-new-translation and it looks like I would need the language itself to be created first. How can I do this?
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[Ana_R] Moving this to this channel.
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Zegnat I do not think that is neccessary. Just follow “Page naming convention” on that page: “for the translated version of a page, use the same name for the page, and simply add the RFC 3066 language identifier code as a dash suffix.”
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[eddie] [jgmac1106] I think you mean Sept 21-22 for NYC? The 20th is a Friday?
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Zegnat [Ana_R]: so basically you should be able to take any existing page, add -pt to the name, and start a translation.
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eddiehinkle.com edited /Planning (+46) "/* NYC */ Fix Sept 20/21/22 date and add my plus one" (view diff)
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[eddie] !tell jgmac1106 Feel free to revert if this date change was incorrect https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61845&oldid=61751&rcid=61707
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Ana_R] thank you [Zegnat]
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[Ana_R] I will have a look later today then and see if i can create a new page and go from there : )
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Zegnat Give it a go! And if you run into anything unepected, you know where to ask for help :)
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aaronpk also don't worry about "messing up"!
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aaronpk one way i've seen people do it is copy the english page into the language-specific page, then translate one section at a time
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aaronpk so don't worry about having to finish a whole page all at once
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[Ana_R] Great 😄 yeah that’s my plan! is it okay if add to the url (-pt-pt) because I will do Portuguese of Portugal? It is a bit different than -pt-br but should be fine.
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aaronpk I will leave that to you as someone who is familiar with what a Portuguese reader would expect to see :)
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2018.indieweb.org to https://2018.indieweb.org
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[jgmac1106] I never know how to give karma to with first and last name users
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: [eddie] left you a message 1 hour, 1 minute ago: Feel free to revert if this date change was incorrect https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=61845&oldid=61751&rcid=61707
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[jgmac1106] but all the karma to localisation efforts
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[jgmac1106] [eddie] excited if you can come....discussing dates with venue today
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[eddie] NYC is the closest location. I would have been at Summit if not for personal chaos (moving houses in June, etc). But September in NYC should work
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sebsel sknebel: very good point about regulating all the fun things. It's very possible to have two emoji for one city, and it's not a big deal
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sebsel I like tantek's earlier idea about "earning" those emoji, but purely as gamification / motivation for organising more HWC's
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sebsel but no, let's not standardize this part of the IndieWeb
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sebsel two cities with the same emoji*
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sebsel although I also understand that it's nice to pick emoji for cities ;) let's just have fun with it
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[grantcodes] I will also wiki-- for event management. Took me about an hour to add the Madrid event to all the places I _think_ it is meant to be.
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[grantcodes] wiki--
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[grantcodes] And that 1 hour consists of about 1 sentence of content
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sknebel really need to get back to the automation code for that...
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sknebel (also, feel free to ask! we know it's annoying and will help)
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[grantcodes] Haha nah, I shall call it part of the learning experience
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[grantcodes] There is a note on there about creating a separate website, so someone has obviously thought about that at some point too
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sknebel we've spend lots of time on this over the years
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[jgmac1106] [grantcodes] if time would love for you to check out http://jgregorymcverry.com/hwcpagetutorial.html and let me know how to improve it
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[jgmac1106] Though I think you added All the stuff. Never thought about city page
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[jgmac1106] Though that is more for attendee.
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[jgmac1106] Will go through your edit series and film one for organizers
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[tantek] [Ana_R] re: pt vs pt-pt etc. - what does Wikipedia use for their Portuguese version?
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[tantek] yes the emoji thing for HWC/IWC cities is purely meant as a positive encouragement / gamification thing to start and keep organizing in your city (and posting photos!) even if only one other person shows up. It makes a difference to new folks showing up from cities who may even just want to meet 1-2 people in person with similar interests
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[tantek] grantcodes, yes events are hard. Ironically every dedicated public/open website that has tried to be a repository of events over time has failed. Every. Single. One. (maybe Calagator is an exception for Portland)
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[tantek] so a difficult wiki is better than dead sites. any day
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sknebel well, it basically looked like someone said something about picking an emoji and you told them "no, you don't get to use an emoji yet", I fail to see the positive encouragement in that
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[tantek] that being said, we can always make it better! and many folks here (notably sknebel and gRegorLove) have made significant improvements to the setup
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[tantek] sknebel, I think eddie and I miscommunicated and we worked it out. not sure what else you're talking about
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sknebel ok
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[jgmac1106] if the alt-right or even the KKK or started using webmention, a W3C recommendations or made a tool that allowed you to RSVP to hate march h-event with , is there anything the community could do?.....
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[jgmac1106] Mobilzion is getting close to their 50,000 goal https://joinmobilizon.org/en/ federated events?
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[jgmac1106] well invited anyone in my virtual rolodex from Portland, and pretty much all the NW and West Coast of Canada
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aaronpk Also notable that calagator is basically a wiki for events
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aaronpk publicly editable, keeps revision history, easy to revert changes, and the main description field of the event can include html so is pretty flexible there
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[tantek] has calagator had to deal with hate-events?
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aaronpk Yes and spam
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tantek.com edited /Planning (+521) "/* NYC */ add my prefs and a few more nearby events" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /Planning (-249) "DUS & UTR are done!" (view diff)
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martymcgui.re edited /Planning (+199) "/* NYC */ my prefs. set up to co-org." (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /Planning (+22) "/* NYC */ +me maybe. no preference on dates currently" (view diff)
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jacky jmac++ for reducing an itch :)
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[tantek] jmac++ well done!
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