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@michaelsmanley ↩️ We almost had that, once. Then Google and the other SV sociopaths killed RSS and stopped publishing standardized syndication feeds. The indieweb protocols could get us back there but I’ll not hold my breath. Look up the MrPrivacy paper, too. We could have done better all around. (twitter.com/_/status/1136422769724461056)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Agree with idea of scaling back Do you need unsolicited sales pitches on LinkedIn.. Pics to make you feel bad on Instagram? Michael can take a deep breath. IndieWeb Building Blocks can create a unified read/write space but we define success not by scale but one domain at a time. (twitter.com/_/status/1136428443472736256)
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[jgmac1106] Local PDX event where folks could meet allies who might be interested in Summit https://oitpdxpridekickoffjune2019.eventbrite.com
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@jgmac1106 Hey if any teachers want to learn more about blogging or using personal websites in the classroom you can check out the #IndieWeb summit June 29-30th: http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 #kidsdeserveit We have great remote options for teachers too far from #pdx (twitter.com/_/status/1136443856302612481)
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[jgmac1106] jacky usually I do something like that ^^^ I am already in a twitter chat and figure out how our goals align
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106]++ for outreach
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gRegorLove Saw you're updating /2019, wanted to make sure you saw /2019/Planning#Invitations too
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gRegorLove So the latter don't slip through the cracks
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gRegorLove Most of that section on /2019 can probably merge into /2019/Planning
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@jgmac1106 @whoisgina Are you gonna be able to make any of the #IndieWeb Summit? https://2019.indieweb.org/summit (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1Qf77w) (twitter.com/_/status/1136447171585347584)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @annaoz249 I hope you would consider joining us for the #IndieWeb Summit https://2019.indieweb.org/summit funny story @Edcamp was founded when teachers walked into a BarCamp Both BarCamp and IndieWebCamp cofounded by same person. We are all cousins. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/VUSWE) (twitter.com/_/status/1136448220387860480)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I have been teaching the last four years using #IndieWeb building blocks, these are all existing w3c recommendations or specs. The coolest tool is probably the use of webmentions. #apereo19 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1xAIdV) (twitter.com/_/status/1136448339141169153)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Ha I just said this exact same thing just now: https://twitter.com/xolotl/status/1136332615202435072 Sad you won't be in #PDX for the #IndieWeb summit....total bummer #apereo19 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1qKyZ4) (twitter.com/_/status/1136448423367008256)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ We have many of the pieces in place already. Check out some of the #IndieWeb course materials we have been building: https://glitch.com/@jgmac1106/indie-web-learning-networks and a bunch more here is my class in the wild: https://edu522.networkedlearningcollaborative.com #apereo19 (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1rfcu3) (twitter.com/_/status/1136448500592467969)
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@jgmac1106 I reached out to everyone in #31DaysIBPOC personally but wanted to let others know if you want to continue your journey in blogging join us for the #IndieWeb Summit http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1136450792070758401)
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@jackyalcine Talking from the #indieweb to federated platforms put me in the future according to Mastodon, lol. (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/a7444299-6098-4a4c-8496-06951a5680d2) (twitter.com/_/status/1136529875165220864)
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@Kajrietberg Bedankt @Sebsel voor je welkom op #indieweb. https://seblog.nl/2019/06/05/2/welkom (twitter.com/_/status/1136557178180055040)
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jgmac1106 Ohh wow just sold out tenth support the IndieWeb Ticket…that is 1k for the travel fund…Thanks all
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jgmac1106 33 people registered to come
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GWG jgmac1106, sounds like a good crowd
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GWG I wonder what our largest attendance has been historically
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[jgmac1106] Check the wiki... Compile the data... Be closeish but fun to know
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[tantek] [jgmac1106]++
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@adactio I reckon Homebrew Website Club Brighton in the @Clearleft studio this evening will be quite short—then I’m going to pop downstairs to @UXCampBrighton 2019 Redux in @68MiddleSt. https://adactio.com/notes/15291 (twitter.com/_/status/1136647913394884613)
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@myravery Indieweb Summit Portland https://myravery.me/2019/06/06/indieweb-summit-portland/ (twitter.com/_/status/1136653447615393792)
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aaronpk I'm still thinking about how frustrated I was yesterday that anomalily didn't have a way to post an RSVP from her Wordpress site. Here's a thought, do we actually gain anything by requiring explicit mf2 rsvp markup? What if we also showed the RSVP if you post a regular post on your site that links to the event and has the text "I'm going to" or "RSVP yes" in just the text part? No mf2 required
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[schmarty] 😬
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[schmarty] sounds like a slippery slope to NLP
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aaronpk ehh
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[schmarty] (e.g. what about support for people who post in languages other than english)
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aaronpk that post above has the same problem
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aaronpk indieweb Summit is held only in English so that doesn't seem like a problem to me
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aaronpk in other words we're not excluding anyone we already aren't excluding
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aaronpk whereas right now, we are missing peoples RSVPs that they actually are posting on their website because of stupid mf2 problems
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Zegnat As the webmention receiver it is up to you to parse stuff out right? So any text parsing you want to fall back on seems fine with me. You could also add support for RsvpAction for blogs using schema (not sure I have ever seen that, but hey).
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[schmarty] sounds like a good incremental improvement to add to the 20XX websites
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[schmarty] (20XX.indieweb.org, that is)
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aaronpk yeah im definitely not talking about spec changes
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aaronpk just our event page rsvp handling
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Zegnat Does the mf2 parser correctly extract the blog contents? Doing a simple text compare on the contents of teh blog post when no explicit rsvp property is found sounds OK to me
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[schmarty] i am wary of fixes for "stupid mf2 problems" because how can they not eventually lead to spec changes? :}
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aaronpk This has already been because of a spec change
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[schmarty] i look forward to the "Attendance Intent Detection" algorithm to go with PTD. 😂
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[schmarty] *Discovery
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aaronpk the problem here is specifically wordpress's mf1 in all the themes which has been almost impossible to deal with
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aaronpk the parsers see the mf1 and then don't add the mf2 p-rsvp property to the result, which is correctly defined by the parsing spec
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[schmarty] we need an "mf2 best practices against adversarial web hosts and CMSes"
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[tantek] aaronpk -> Wordpress, I'm literally working on a specific example of this
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aaronpk cool
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[tantek] note that this has mostly been a problem with WordPress, not RSVPs
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[tantek] I agree with [schmarty]'s concerns
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[tantek] and it's not "just do it on 20xx.indieweb" because one permissive implementation leads to another etc.
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[tantek] also when someone's sloppy RSVP "works", then they expect it to work elsewhere -> demands on implementers to support more sloppiness
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[jgmac1106] If you edit a theme and remove any hentry and then use mf2 plugin you are okay.... But that is asking a lot of someone
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aaronpk the problem is it's not the person's fault that their RSVP is "sloppy"
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[tantek] and this is how you get to the mess of supporting HTML tables in browsers, subsequently browser engines so complicated that now there is only 2-3 left
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[tantek] aaronpk, the problem is that their CMS does not make it trivial to click an RSVP button
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[tantek] start there
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[tantek] for WordPress that means the need to install the Post Kinds plugin and use it
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[tantek] that's step 1
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[tantek] step 2 is to take the frustration from that experience and turn it into improving the Post Kinds plugin UI
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[tantek] because GWG is *always* hungry for UI fix/improvement suggestions
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[schmarty] tantek: that won't work for folks whose themes don't do mf2 correctly.
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[tantek] the WRONG answer is to jump directly to plumbing
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[jgmac1106] But step 1 does not work if you old mf exist in themes
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[schmarty] this is bumping against the persistent wordpress-themes-are-mostly-broken-mf1
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[tantek] schmarty - "themes don't do mf2 correctly" is a separate problem/thread - that's what we're discussing in the WP channel
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[schmarty] aaronpk mentioned theme issues in regards to the example posts above.
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Zegnat I feel like we kinda established it as impossible for a plugin to fix a theme? So really to send an RSVP would be: step 1 change your theme to one from a short list of mf2 friendly ones, step 2 install post kinds. I am guessing you would lose a lot of people at step 1. :(
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aaronpk Yes asking people to change their theme is not reasonable
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aaronpk I guess there's another option which is the parser could ignore mf1 entirely, or ignore mf1 if mf2 is present
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aaronpk because then at the very least people can paste a complete h-entry rsvp into their Wordpress editor and it would work
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aaronpk which is exactly what Anomalily started trying
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[xavierroy] https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/88
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GWG I do the best I can with what I have
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GWG I feel like I don't know how I can go farther
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@dgn1729 Curiosamente, las "PESETAS", viven ahora como un modelo de sindicación de contenidos. https://indieweb.org/PESETAS (twitter.com/_/status/1136694400610947072)
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@TheDavidJohnson Take Back Your Web: Tantek Çelik's Call to Action to Join the Independent Web https://wptavern.com/take-back-your-web-tantek-celiks-call-to-action-to-join-the-independent-web via @wptavern #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1136717770060701697)
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@namedotcom We'll be buying the drinks at @IndieWebSummit in Portland this summer. @adactio talks about the idea of #IndieWeb, and how you can still own our own online content while getting the benefits of a centralized web. https://name.social/2QU6T5Z (twitter.com/_/status/1136737044582096897)
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[tantek] really wish that was reframed not as "buying the drinks" per concerns about alcohol. saying this explicitly openly because this is an active topic of /Organizers discussion, and implying "drinks at IndieWebSummit" is absolutely *not* the intent of the organizers (AFAIK right aaronpk?)
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[tantek] background: https://indieweb.org/inclusivity_statement and last resolution/discussion: https://indieweb.org/inclusivity_statement#Alcohol_policy_should_be_per_venue
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gRegorLove seconded
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gRegorLove "we're sponsoring the pre-party"
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aaronpk yes, i haven't talked with him about this since our last discussions about it though
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[tantek] worth talking about and perhaps even a follow-up
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@murderofcrows @CollinAtherton Scuttlebutt https://indieweb.org/Secure_Scuttlebutt (twitter.com/_/status/1136766861087895553)
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@thecat 想從 medium 逃難但又不想損失流量的解法在此： https://indieweb.org/POSSE 至於為何該離開 medium 請看這篇總結： https://www.cdevn.com/why-medium-actually-sucks/ #該上路囉 (twitter.com/_/status/1136781087063982081)