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@i4bdullah ↩️ It seems like there is an issue with the “algorithmic feed” for some reason, you may read more about the algorithmic feed here: https://indieweb.org/algorithmic_feed (twitter.com/_/status/1137873481318748160)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] maybe we should remove event markup then unless you can figure out which dates & times there is an actual online event, and a location to be to be online with others who are in the event.
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[tantek] an 'event' which is completely asynchronous, and virtual, is kinda abusing any reasonable meaning of a human 'event'
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[tantek] also I think we should put "Online" or "Virtual" in the name, since the typical expectation for an event in something in-person
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[jgmac1106] [tonz] would be happy to contribute to a repo for what you were describing in main channel
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[jgmac1106] [tantek] I would mark it online or virtual but I wouldn't say an asynchronous event isn't an event. It has a clear start and stop date. I think the meaning of human event is evolving rather being abused
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[jgmac1106] Ohh I see, you said find the satrt dates.. Chris you can add eifhr weeks as I belive they said it is four weeks ans tjen four weeks. Therw will be a feed somewhere I am sure of participants
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[tantek] maybe it would make more sense to just add each Week as it's own event, since people seem to talk about them that way on Twitter when you search for "domaincamp" (singular, not plural)
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[tantek] For now I'll rename to the long name in the post, add "Online" to make that explicit, and keep only the start date, since no other explicit dates or times are provided
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tantek.com edited /Events (-110) "move May events to past, Domain Camp is singular (not domains) , use name and description from site, only include June 11 start date since no other dates or times are explicitly provided by the definitive external page for the event" (view diff)
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@IndieWebCampDE Auch Pfingsten hält uns nicht auf: Am Mittwoch ist wieder Homebrew Website Club in Nürnberg! https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-12-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg Schau vorbei, bastle an deiner Website und hab Spaß mit @jkphl, @alexcio_, @egoexpress & Co! +@nuedigital (twitter.com/_/status/1137981715874557952)
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@KA_digital Die #KarlsruheDigital Woche (1/2) 11.6. ▶️Start-Up Frühstück ▶️ #nmfka @netzstrategen ▶️ FoundersNight @Pioniergarage 12.6. ▶️Karlsruher Homebrew Website Club ▶️C++ Meetup 13.6. ▶️ PreLab @CyberForum ▶️ @econda_gmbh & friends BBQ ▶️http://12min.me (twitter.com/_/status/1137982076655980544)
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@jkphl #Nurembergers & beyond, what about some website gardening on Wednesday? Join us for another Homebrew Website Club and start a new website, improve an existing one, help others or just get some ideas. See you on Wednesday! https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-12-homebrew-website-club#N.C3.BCrnberg #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1137982563291672577)
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@olleolleolle ↩️ Nämen vad roligt med en kommentar om min blogg! Tänk ifall jag hade haft ordentliga IndieWeb-kopplingar, så kunde din tweet liksom limma in sig i min bloggs kommentarspår på något sätt. Jag får helt enkelt njuta av att bli hörd. Bloggar du? Jag har samlat in folks länkar illa. (twitter.com/_/status/1138033990970085376)
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petermolnar what is IPFS
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Loqi IPFS is short for InterPlanetary File System, potentially a static site storage method using content based addressing https://indieweb.org/IPFS
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petermolnar IPFS << https://macwright.org/2019/06/08/ipfs-again.html
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Loqi ok, I added "https://macwright.org/2019/06/08/ipfs-again.html" to the "See Also" section of /IPFS https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62236&oldid=57972
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ the other step is to avoid the profit generating conference circuit all together. Spent 2019 going to conference that wasn't somewhat open (eliminates all of them). Instead started going to and organizing #IndieWeb events, always free, no… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/10/jonbecker-the-other-step-is-to-avoid (twitter.com/_/status/1138082297893330945)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ 100s of free events that are self organized with no need for boards or bosses: https://indieweb.org/Events Teachers did with @EdCamp and the tech world did it with @BarCamp, time academics take back control of our narrative too. Stop feeding the… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/10/jonbecker-100s-of-free-events-that (twitter.com/_/status/1138082999747133440)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ why we try to look for adjacent events for #IndieWeb events and put focus on trying to get remote right, but I would argue the conference approach with no vendors and paid speakers has to be one of smallest carbon impact ways of organizing… https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/10/btopro-why-we-try-to-look (twitter.com/_/status/1138086456365322242)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Beyond the Summit we encourage people to start up local events than fly across the continent or globe to attend #IndieWeb event. More sustainable for both planet and community. Only way to push back against monolithic is through self organizing (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/14eiPZ) (twitter.com/_/status/1138087042620035073)
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@t73fde ↩️ For example by using #indieweb standards and conventions https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1138088329793232896)
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aaronpk why << http://alwaysownyourplatform.com/
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Loqi ok, I added "http://alwaysownyourplatform.com/" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62238&oldid=60826
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[jgmac1106] getting a 404 on the link
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aaronpk did slack include the " in the link from Loqi?
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sebsel 404 for me too
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[jgmac1106] ok, I added "http://alwaysownyourplatform.com/" to the "See Also" section of /why https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62238&oldid=60826 is what I see in Slack
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[jgmac1106] maybe overloaded checking archive now
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aaronpk oh huh it just disappeared for me too
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[jgmac1106] nothing in Wayback
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[jgmac1106] I really like this tookit page, much cleaner than our how to organize page: http://thatcamp.org/help/organize/
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aaronpk breaking it up into separate pages does make it easier to read
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aaronpk we could definitely do that with ours
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[jgmac1106] something to discuss at the meeting
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[jgmac1106] makes for a good mental checklist
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@KatieFujihara ↩️ @slsoftworks @IndieWebSummit @DeconstructConf HANG OUT WITH ME (twitter.com/_/status/1138095289103863808)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Awesome @KatieFujihara and flaki in one place!! Don't think I have hung with @slsoftworks since #MozFest15 stoked you are both going to the #IndieWeb summit. Can't #TeachTheWeb until we are the #BetterWeb (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/G0Jk) (twitter.com/_/status/1138095836829798401)
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[schmarty] !tell GWG,tmiller,dmitshur,mifga based on mifga's recc and dmitshur's preference vote, next indieweb meetup NYC will be at devoción coffee in brooklyn. RSVP: /events/2019-06-22-homebrew-website-club-nyc
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ if the three of you can not make the #IndieWeb summit please join us remotely. I believe Gardner's original idea for a personal infrastructure is the only way #OER can truly thrive. https://2019.indieweb.org/summit (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2fOami) (twitter.com/_/status/1138105712326914048)
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@_djmoch Own your platform. Kind of #IndieWeb http://alwaysownyourplatform.com (twitter.com/_/status/1138121915850252288)
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@sordip "Own your domain. Own your content. Own your social connections. Own your reading experience. IndieWeb services, tools, and standards enable you to take back your web" - @T https://buff.ly/2JSQJbH @fiormont (twitter.com/_/status/1138122419921674240)
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@paulgp ↩️ 4. If there is a conversation about a particular person (obliquely), and they haven't been tagged, don't necessarily tag them into the conversation. AKA snitch tagging: https://indieweb.org/snitch_tagging (twitter.com/_/status/1138142049146986498)
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[jgmac1106] is vHWC still goign on or over?
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@jgmac1106 Well #domains19 @twitter took away my ability to tweet from my own website #IndieWeb style (again). (twitter.com/_/status/1138150194544041992)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ The second time was because I was @ mentioning people when inviting them to #IndieWeb summit. @Twitter didn't know I was in everyone's blogging networks (that's a thing among teachers) or that I introduced and told people to expect tweets in a Slack channel. (twitter.com/_/status/1138150953088159744)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Today I am not sure. All I was doing was hanging with #Domains19 crowd and talking #IndieWeb with some other folks. Asked for examples of my offending tweets so I can respect the ToS for automation, but I am getting stumped (twitter.com/_/status/1138151496397312001)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @paulgp I have seen (been part of) most well intentioned accidental dogpiles from #IndieWeb community. Many may never go to Twitter but see bot pick up atweet and throw into IRC or we follow same twitter account in our readers. A flood of decontextual "help" sometime happen (twitter.com/_/status/1138153599173832704)
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@jgmac1106 @paulgp Ha nothing like messing up your syndication (which messes up your twitter thread) when responding to a twitter thread about how to twitter thread. thx for @nomadj1s link I added it to the #Indieweb wiki: http://bit.ly/2F59s0y (twitter.com/_/status/1138154316299210752)
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@jgmac1106 If anyon e#Domains19 is interested we are running this course http://bit.ly/2F2011A again 7/1 which will run through the #IndieWeb building blocks using @wordpress and http://bit.ly/2F201yC (twitter.com/_/status/1138156576823492608)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ This is strinkinlgy scary, I am not sure why owning your media isn't as much a thing in the #IndieWeb community, especially if you care about sound quality. (twitter.com/_/status/1138164982389071872)
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[tantek] Sound quality not an issue since people started primarily listening to music thru tiny earbuds
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aaronpk thanks for noting we need remote participation instructions https://indieweb.org/2019/Planning#To-do
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aaronpk i am thinking about adding a remote participation ticket in tito
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jgmac1106 true, thinking mroe social situations
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[tantek] What is a dogpile?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "dogpile" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "dogpile is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk which will also give me a chance to send an email to all the remote participation registrants with info the day before
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jgmac1106 and I jjust like buying stereo parts…its fun
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aaronpk music -> #chat
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[tantek] Aaronpk makes sense!
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jgmac1106 thought I was in chat, apologies
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aaronpk IIRC that was a problem last year, some people registerted for a regular ticket even though they only wanted to remotely participate
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] curious about that dogpile comment - has that actually happened any time recently like in the last year?
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[tantek] [aaronpk] you are correct and I think there is at least one person registered this year that is only remote participating
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[tantek] Tickets are a good solution.
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aaronpk 👍 will do that now
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[tantek] Also an opportunity to tell people we are close to capacity and ask people to please cancel their ticket if they plan to participate remotely and instead register for a remote participation ticket
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jgmac1106 there are a few on the registered list that are remote
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aaronpk hm we need info on the /2019 page about the remote session zegnat is running
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[tantek] Yes, just like we had info on /2018 about the Berlin remote session that Anika ran
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[tantek] What’s this? Anyone have any clue? https://indieweb.org/Open_Collaboration_Services
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[tantek] Seems to have zero IndieWeb relevance
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[tantek] (While searching for collaboration)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ This is why I love when #IndieWeb community publishes listening post. I make a feed specifically for music discovery. I find the coolest stuff. Need to encourage more folks to do it. (twitter.com/_/status/1138175087205654529)
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aaronpk agreed, I don't see any relevance
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ The premise behind your post would make an incredibly valuable conference session at the upcoming @IndieWebSummit. Any chance you're attending (in person or remotely)? We need your ideas. Thanks for bringing them up! https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/10/55753995/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138179593636986880)
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@kfitz ↩️ @ChrisAldrich @dancohen @IndieWebSummit Alas, I’m going to be in Europe then! Maybe a future iteration? (twitter.com/_/status/1138183779611217921)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I can't wait for IndieWebCamp East Lansig!! Got many a friends I could visit (erm invite). We are always planning more camps. Check out here for the latest info: https://indieweb.org/Events (twitter.com/_/status/1138190535770955776)
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[Mikaela_Suomala I don't know (or likely remember, it would be on the Wikify page, wouldn't it?) if there is a specific protocol for updating the wiki, but I was asking in Minds Matrix room about rel=me and someone said that they hadn't came across Indieweb before and I noticed that Indieweb has came across to it. The issue link went to 404 error and the other to a GitHub mirror, so I just strikethroughed the word GitHub in hope to not change history a
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[Mikaela_Suomala the issue link to where it was migrated and GitHub project page to hte new GitLab project page
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aaronpk looks great!
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aaronpk thanks!
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Mikaela[meow] :) good night
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@kuebelreiter Noch eine kleine Note bevor der Tag endet. Wir sind so Indieweb, sind wir nicht? Und wir fragen uns, ob das eine Zukunft hat! (twitter.com/_/status/1138195867737972736)
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@miklb ↩️ @allafarce checkout out @indiewebcamp Slack, IRC, web chat, all with searchable pubic logs and integration with a media wiki instance (twitter.com/_/status/1138195914726813697)
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@miklb ↩️ @allafarce @indiewebcamp specifically https://indieweb.org/discuss (twitter.com/_/status/1138196539355140096)
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[tantek] ok deleting https://indieweb.org/Open_Collaboration_Services - nothing indieweb related in 2 years, only one offhand mention of POSSE maybe
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tantek.com deleted /Open_Collaboration_Services "content was nothing indieweb related in over 2 years, only one offhand aspirational mention of POSSE"
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[tantek] 🤦‍♂️ and just discovered aaronpk already created https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule back in March. Oops.
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[tantek] ok we are sticking with /Schedule then since that's what it has been the past two summits
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aaronpk oops was that not linked right?
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[tantek] I'll merge my new content into the existing page
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[tantek] and redirect accordingly
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[tantek] thanks aaronpk for creating that page originally. my bad for not noticing
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aaronpk ahh the main 2019 page linked to Sessions not Schedule so it looked like a redlink
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[tantek] again, my bad
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[tantek] the 2019.indieweb.org/summit page linked correctly
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@kuebelreiter Noch eine kleine Note bevor der Tag endet. Wir sind so Indieweb, sind wir nicht? Und wir fragen uns, ob das eine Zukunft hat! (twitter.com/_/status/1138200363897622529)
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[tantek] <!here> especially if you're coming to Summit! Please review: this should be good to go (except for TBA keynotes, and various evening plans) https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule - nothing else should look "in progress". If anything looks unobvious, you're probably not the only one, so say something 🙂
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/2019/Schedule
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[tantek] This is worth reading for all organizers: https://hackaday.com/2019/06/07/maker-media-ceases-operations/ - lots to learn from there
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[tantek] Though IndieWeb events are far more grassroots and thrive with fairly minimal sponsorship, there's bunch of cultural similarities that could be useful for understanding recruiting, growth, etc.
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[tantek] I thought this was a useful criticism: "I went to the Bay Area Maker Fair several times between 2012 and 2016. It was a lot of fun the first time, but the following three the content was all so similar to the first that it felt redundant"
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[tantek] Similarly I hope with each year we're both breaking new ground in the IndieWeb, and making the previous cutting edge accessible to a broader set of people.
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[tantek] E.g. in 2018 really made /readers more broadly accessible, and this year I feel like we are getting close to making the entire experience accessible and work well together: identity, creating, connecting, reading
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[tantek] Interested in others thoughts on such high level meta-challenges
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ This! This is the sticker I need: https://twitter.com/OnlineCrsLady/status/1138206070969704449 #domains19 I have some classic @visualthinkery, @mozilla, or #IndieWeb to trade (twitter.com/_/status/1138208003944062977)
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jacky [tantek]: good point
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[tantek] which one? 😂
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[tantek] I *think* one possibility (based on the increases in cutting edge progress I've seen in bits and pieces the past 6 months) is *private posts* : publishing, reading, PESOSing into (e.g. sebsel's private OwnYourSwarm checkins), maybe POSSEing (how you do private/silo ACLs is beyond me), replying, etc.
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[tantek] Another possibility, which we've dabbled in IndieWebCamps for about 2ish years now but nothing of critical mass / connecting the dots yet, is *payments* for viewing posts (exclusive access, early access, etc.), including more than just text articles (newsletters?), e.g. audio/podcasts/music, photography/art, etc.
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[tantek] And yet another possibility, is filling in all the *discovery* gaps to smooth out (and help grow) the entire indieweb identity, posting, following/subscribing, reading, recommending, replying, introducing/inviting ecosystem.
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[tantek] [snarfed] pinging you because you ask me this meta question every year - what's the plan for the indieweb this year? 🙂
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aaronpk the two themes i'm seeing this year are private posts and discovery. only a little actual progress on them so far tho
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jgmac1106 and many of those are human goals, but on technical level yes discovery and private posts
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jgmac1106 I know my human goals are the #OER community and EdCamp both share our values and have expressed interest in learning more, OER especially
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jgmac1106 in terms of "I went to the Bay Area Maker Fair several times between 2012 and 2016. It was a lot of fun the first time, but the following three the content was all so similar to the first that it felt redundant" this is happening at EdCamps all over the place
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] is there anyone from the OER community that you've confirmed is coming to Summit?
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jgmac1106 many have started to think about different tracks, having first timer sessions but encouraging deeper sessions in 5-7x veterans
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jgmac1106 let me look at the list, far as I know nobody has said yes, most folks get funded only for a conference a year
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[tantek] "the following three the content was all so similar to the first that it felt redundant" <- this is what happens when communities/events cease to be led by visionaries (because they suck at logistics 🙋‍♂️) and start to be led by managers (who are good at logistics, but lack vision)
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jgmac1106 well Cathie LeBlanc is remote she is coming
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[tantek] that'll be a good test case for the Remote Participation tickets then (for folks canceling actual IRL tickets)
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aaronpk should i actually send out an email about that?
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aaronpk oh and i just checked the actual registrations, we have 35 people so far. the website is incorrectly counting peoples' contributions to the travel fund as additional registrations
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aaronpk (35 people in tito, i haven't cross-checked that against the indie RSVPs yet)
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jacky [tantek]++ on linking to that page
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Loqi [tantek] has 44 karma in this channel over the last year (119 in all channels)
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[tantek] pretty sure that's what you were looking for, even if it had the opposite meaning 😂
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jacky lol it was!
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[tantek] wait I'm confused was there a HWC NYC over the weekend?!?
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GWG Apparently so
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Loqi GWG: [schmarty] left you a message 8 hours, 14 minutes ago: based on mifga's recc and dmitshur's preference vote, next indieweb meetup NYC will be at devoción coffee in brooklyn. RSVP: /events/2019-06-22-homebrew-website-club-nyc
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[tantek] ok someone took a photo
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[tantek] evidence: https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-09#t1560102090591200
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Loqi [[mifga]] Am sitting at HWC in NYC thinking. so ... apologies for the question i'm about to ask. it is likely wrong headed but i'm gonna lean into it because this reveals enough context that you might steer me in a better direction. i'm required to use OneNote...
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aaronpk https://martymcgui.re/2019/06/09/indieweb-meetup-2019-06-09-wrap-up/
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[tantek] what is how
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/how
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] wow lol 2012 redirect aaronpk. ok then
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[tantek] ok here's goes something abstract
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@jgmac1106 If anyone in #sschat wants to learn about how civic media can all be shaped from your own website free of corporate control join us for the #IndieWeb summit in #pdx http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 in person for those local or remote if not. But we have to #BeTheBetterWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1138229564189085696)
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[tantek] what is how
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Loqi how (or how to or how do I) is the second question after first asking why; why should I IndieWeb, or why should I adopt, use, do, or create any particular IndieWeb feature or building block, once clear, leads to how can I IndieWeb, or how can I adopt, use, do, or create a particular IndieWeb thing https://indieweb.org/how
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[tantek] (best read in the Merovingian's voice)
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@jgmac1106 If anyone in #sschat would like to go through an #IndieWeb intensive class where you create a civic media project from student blogs to use next year I am running #edu522 again this summer: http://bit.ly/2F2011A (twitter.com/_/status/1138231722829590528)
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