#meta 2019-06-11

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Loqi 3 days until 3 days until Remind [tantek] to update https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/lists/indieweb-summit-2019/members with ppl from https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-06-14 12:38am UTC (#6578)
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[tantek] I still can't believe that actually works
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tantek.com edited /2019/Schedule (+66) "rm errant photos section, note addyourself for afterparties options" (view diff)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Schedule (-38) "/* Days */ we have a sponsor!" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 Hey #edtechchat if you want to do the #IndieWeb dance and join a movement to move the web to a better place please join us for the Summit in #pdx in person or remote: http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1138248568102367232)
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aaronparecki.com edited /2019/Planning (-383) "/* To-do */ t-shirts are ordered" (view diff)
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jacky > t-shirts
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jacky 👀👀
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jacky thinks that emoji didn't work lol
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ This is a lot of the value behind the idea of Homebrew Website Club and even the early blogosphere. Seeing interesting/useful things others have is likely to make you want that thing too. #KeepingUpWithTheDomains #Domains19 https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/10/55754053/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138250119684296704)
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tantek.com edited /Events (+1544) "+ HWCs Brighton June" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok I think we need a "Before Summit" section
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[tantek] for folks getting ready, getting psyched
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tantek.com edited /2019 (+672) "/* Interested */ actually, Participating, copy from 2019/Berlin#Participating because that's pretty similar" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2019 (+101) "/* Participating */ add Twitter list of participants - until we have a feed you can follow in an IndieWeb Reader!" (view diff)
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[tantek] <!here> hey Summit participants, got a project goal for Summit? Add it and yourself! https://indieweb.org/2019/Project_Goals
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jacky.wtf edited /2019/Project_Goals (+436) "/* Project Goals */ added myself and projects" (view diff)
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aaronpk should https://stream.indieweb.org/2019-summit contain reposts?
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beesbuzz.biz edited /Feed_on_Feeds (+11) "fix Alexander Schulze's github link" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+921) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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aaronpk omg i might have to remove chrisaldrich from this cause he posts too much 😂
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aaronpk well that was a fun exercise
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aaronpk consistent problem is the mf2 on wordpress pages is not good
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aaronpk here's an interesting one which apperaed on several wordpress sites: the h-feed has a bunch of h-entrys and also an h-card at the end of the list. I think XRay can handle that, but only if the URL of the h-card matches the URL of an author property of an h-entry. for some reason, the URLs don't match, e.g. http://boffosocko.com vs https://boffosocko.com/
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[tantek] Sounds like a good thing for IndieWebify.me to catch! File an issue there?
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[tantek] Because his URLs ought to be consistent
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aaronpk there isn't an h-feed validator in indiewebify.me
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[tantek] Then that should be the issue
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[tantek] And no reposts or replies.
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[tantek] No responses
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[tantek] Re prev q
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aaronpk oh shoot there's no reply filter in aperture
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aaronpk lol filed in 2014 https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/13
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Loqi [jeena] #13 Add test for feed/index/homepage with h-entries
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[tantek] Worth adding the h-card URL consistency point as a comment there then
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GWG We really need to put together some guidelines
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aaronpk this has been a fun experiment
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aaronpk we need more tools that consume feeds to work out these glitches
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aaronpk ok it's cleaned up
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aaronpk no replies/likes/reposts
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aaronpk (I had to add a feature to aperture too lol)
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aaronpk only downside is we're going to see doubles of anything POSSE'd
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GWG I have been working on this in my feed consumption tool
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@ChrisAldrich For #Domains19 attendees, I've got a Twitter list of educators, researchers, technologists, & others who are using #DoOO, #IndieWeb, or other related ethical #edTech technologies. The list includes people who attended in '17, '19 and [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/10/feed-lists-for-domains-2019/#If%20it%20helps (twitter.com/_/status/1138276969844318208)
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jacky aaronpk: could I provide a specific feed from my site to show up there?
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jacky https://v2.jacky.wtf/tags/indieweb for example
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jacky oh wow that page looks better than I expected lol
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aaronpk Sure I can do that
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jacky is there a way for me to do it myself (so I don't pester you each time?)
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aaronpk Not many posts in that feed tho!
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jacky wait so would it purely our full feeds?
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aaronpk No, it’s a channel in my aperture account
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jacky mine is a bit noisy since it's a lot of reactions to stuff from twitter / activitypub space
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aaronpk yeah same as following ppl on that Twitter list
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jacky aah gotcha gotcha
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jacky then nvm :)
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aaronpk I filtered out replies and reposts
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jacky oh then it's definitely fine :) lo
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@vincentlistens ↩️ @tomcoates I noticed this article completely missed the indieweb movement. Built on W3C technologies. https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138293192229498885)
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@JamieTanna Reminder that #HomebrewWebsiteClub is tomorrow! Come and work on building your personal website, writing blog posts, and everything in between https://www.jvt.me/events/homebrew-website-club-nottingham/2019/06/12/?utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1138339357121744897)
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tantek.com edited /Template:Homebrew_Website_Club (+56) "HWC NYC 6/9" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /events/2019-06-09-homebrew-website-club-nyc (+33) "HWCs template" (view diff)
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[tantek] watching some Berlin videos
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@t @imogenheap nice meeting you @MozSF & thanks @brianbehlendorf for introducing us! Appreciated Creative Passport focus on empowering makers — we’re hosting IndieWeb Summit @MozPDX June 29-30 https://2019.indieweb.org/summit for independent creators of all kinds! https://tantek.com/t50x1 (twitter.com/_/status/1138374854887976961)
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@jgmac1106 Academic publishing is so corrupt https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/6/3/18271538/open-access-elsevier-california-sci-hub-academic-paywalls when you publish in the top tier #literacies journals you support or systemic racism and sexism in the academy. Join the #OpenScience and #IndieWeb movements (twitter.com/_/status/1138395769889796099)
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@smerrill This is a test, using an iOS Shortcut to send a note to my Micropub endpoint for syndication to Twitter. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1138414235975868421)
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@smerrill And this is a test of uploading a photo through the same workflow. #indieweb https://t.co/ZX6p98KJfx (twitter.com/_/status/1138417713032962048)
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@LukasRosenstock Great article by @manton2 on @microdotblog about "Open Gardens" on the Internet in opposition to "Walled Gardens" - #IndieWeb: https://www.manton.org/2019/06/02/open-gardens.html (twitter.com/_/status/1138428419912491008)
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@mxbck ↩️ dammit zach beat me to it. yeah go webmentions :) or if that's too indieweb for your target audience, maybe something like https://commento.io/ ? (twitter.com/_/status/1138430198234386432)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ The second time I was inviting bloggers of color and developers who identify as female to the #IndieWeb summit. (twitter.com/_/status/1138439308132700160)
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@frankmeeuwsen Glitch Podcast: Gaat het indieweb het internet redden?: https://diggingthedigital.com/?p=3730 (twitter.com/_/status/1138445406503940100)
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@KeeganSLW How do we decouple Domains from “class” for students? (Maybe study abroad as one example?) Is indieweb and institutional DoOO compatible? Provocations from @sundilu at #Domains19 (twitter.com/_/status/1138453100862291975)
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@KeeganSLW “What are the responsibilities of ownership within #DoOO and indieweb?” “What does stewardship of web and data look like?” “What does it mean to have rights and responsibilities on the web?” #domains19 (twitter.com/_/status/1138456982103494667)
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[schmarty] there was an HWC NYC over the weekend!
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @KeeganSLW I always dig on, "Be a Good Human" #IndieWeb #DoOO #Domains19 think most #digcit is horsewash (twitter.com/_/status/1138458765664149507)
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[tantek] schmarty++ finally figured that out and added it to the HWCs list template (if I remembered to save)
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[schmarty] ooh. thanks, tantek! been a while since i added an off-day HWC to all the templates 😬
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[tantek] With the apparently increased mentions of “Shortcuts” in chat, I also wonder if “making everything work smoothly on *mobile*” could be the “thing” for IndieWeb this year
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[tantek] From posting, to reading, responding, and even discovering & following
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[jgmac1106] one thing I do love about Known is how well it works as a PWA , haven't needed micropub clients (bc there it doesn't work) too bad we won't have our Android team...
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[jgmac1106] Native micropub client apps or PWA micropub websites. What is better ? I guess both from plurality perspective
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[schmarty] tantek++ i would be quite interested in several "mobile" sessions.
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] what I’m talking about is smooth enough to displace & completely replace use of Twitter in mobile, which has not been true in practice AFAIK
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[jgmac1106] but a mobile session is awesome
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[tantek] PWAs should be sufficient IMO
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[jgmac1106] true and this is someone who used Twitters mobile website and not their app
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[jgmac1106] uses*
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[schmarty] Shortcuts have been replacing my urge to build PWAs for tiny micropub clients. 😬
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[jgmac1106] but can't lie being kicked off and back to just Tweetdeck...it is a bit smoother, but also thinking time to stop putting focus on POSSE the APIs will get severed eventually, me thinks soon
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[jgmac1106] manton++ for open garden post
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[tantek] Perhaps we could use a pair of demo/keynote sessions: How IndieWeb works great on mobile today; Why IndieWeb on mobile is still a challenge - enough to still use silo mobile apps
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[jgmac1106] maybe its time for a POSSE only to open garden policy for me, even if it cuts my professional networks off at the knees
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[tantek] I also wonder if there’s an iOS / Android divide in how well IndieWeb works on mobile
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[tantek] I don’t know myself, yet I feel I’ve seen both successes and challenges/ regressions
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[jgmac1106] that is an interesting idea, we need videos like this: one works for rich people and one works for everyone else
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[jgmac1106] ooops forgot video for snark, good reminder to avoid snark
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[jgmac1106] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwECN4uVuHg
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[jgmac1106] I want to make one of my kids sending webmentions back and forth to each other since we lost Google Hangouts
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[jgmac1106] eddie doing major rewrite of his apps and breaking it into multiple apps, wish he was going his keynote for Online was top notch
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[jgmac1106] might as well invite http://www.calnewport.com/contact/ after the New Yorker article
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[eddie] Yeah, I think iOS PWAs to NOT feel as good as Android PWAs
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[eddie] for now native still beats everything on iOS
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aaronpk iOS PWAs done well are reaaaaly close though
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aaronpk try instagram
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[grantcodes] Well I've been using together instead of Twitter for quite a while now, but I don't really interact on twitter too much so I'm an easy use case
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[jgmac1106] the way Apple wants it, why web advocates should be android fans...till you talk privacy, then Apple back to winning (since their iAD network failed)
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aaronpk most of the tweets i care about show up in monocle now, and the few that don't, or when people send me a direct twitter link, i open the twitter app and can share a reply or like back out via indigenous \o/
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[eddie] Yeah, I only end up in Twitter if I see a link posted somewhere. I never open my twitter app anymore
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aaronpk +1
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[eddie] but I'm sure there are some rough spots for some people and would DEFINITELY like to hear about those
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[jgmac1106] though at 300 for a Pixel 3a versus 1200 for an iPhone....not sure there is a feature in the world on a phone worth 900 difference in price
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aaronpk there are ;-)
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[jgmac1106] I should install indigenous on my iPad so I can compare..though they are old iPad 2 may not work same
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Loqi yea
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sknebel Non-indieweb phone discussion -> -chat
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[jgmac1106] I moved that part already
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[eddie] sknebel++ keeping us on track 🙂
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[jgmac1106] if everyone just did a small little recording of how they IndieWeb on mobile we could make a really neat video of workflows and use cases
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[tantek] For intro/keynotes I’d rather have us show two really good demo flows (successes vs failures) rather than a variety with no particular message
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[tantek] I mean we are already all about variety in the intro demos and hack demos sessions :)
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[tantek] Who <!here> is 100% IndieWeb in their mobile reading, replying, posting flow?
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[eddie] :raised_hand:
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[tantek] [eddie] would you be able to demo those at the start of Summit?
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[eddie] I won't be there 😞
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[tantek] Would remote speaking be a possibility?
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[schmarty] i have a 100% working indieweb flow on remote for reading, replying, and posting.
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[tantek] Especially if you can show your history of /ownyourdata at least for notes&replies and maybe photos too
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[kevinmarks786] I was for a bit, but then both known and woodwind stopped doing what I needed, so I need to make new things.
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[schmarty] (but i still open twitter.com PWA and scroll when i am bored sometimes)
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[eddie] I can do remote, but someone like schmarty probably has the same workflow as I
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[tantek] iOS or Android? (Both if you)?
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[eddie] iOS
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[jgmac1106] the idea of long form writing on a phone will never make me 100% mobile
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[schmarty] i manually POSSE silo replies, which is a fun pain point. also iOS.
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[tantek] Also have you added yourselves to /ownyourdata ?
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[jgmac1106] but I am set up for 100% flow through Android as is GWG
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[eddie] probably not yet, so many lists 🙂
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[schmarty] i have not because i am not all-or-nothing 😄
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[jgmac1106] had to install the hacker keyboard for Glitch if I want to fool on my main site
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[tantek] It would be interesting to discuss / figure out the barriers to owning even 100% of your notes
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[kevinmarks786] Should we invite Meyer? He's working on the twitter pwa now
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[jgmac1106] I own 100% of my notes until Twitter cuts me off
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[jgmac1106] but I think it is time to cut Twitter off
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] yeah that’s unfortunate
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[jgmac1106] foreshadowing me thinks, end is near
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[tantek] I feel that pain. And typically just end up posting less as a result :/
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[schmarty] i think i do 100% my notes, actually. i sometimes do reposts/replies in FB/Twitter.
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[jgmac1106] but few people, maybve aaronpk and chrisaldrich post as many notes as I do in a day 50-100
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[tantek] [schmarty] nice! That sounds like a great start
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[schmarty] so i'll add myself to ownyourdata for my public notes, photos, and events
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[jgmac1106] schmarty should do a keynote so we now if these improv classes are really true or if he is a Maldovian secret agent nad really meeting his handler
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[tantek] [schmarty] would you be willing to do a 10-15 min iOS demo flow of reading, replying, posting, receiving comments (notifications), replying to them?
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[jgmac1106] I will say I have been enjoying the one live and one remote keynote I have used last few IWCs I organized, was only way to work on representation as well
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[schmarty] i think i can manage that with some pre-planning and help
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[tantek] I have a lightning to VGA adapter I believe we can use to project from iOS
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[schmarty] ooh that'd work great.
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[jgmac1106] and there are a ton of mirroring apps wonder if Mozilla PDX has Apple TV in all that stuff
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[tantek] I think people just seeing how possible it is will be very inspirational
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[jgmac1106] especially my family so we can ditch our stupid group SMS
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[tantek] AppleTV yes but only on internal network :(
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[jgmac1106] why I show them my kids communicating with webmentions, if a 6, 8, and 10 year old can do it...so can they
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[tantek] [schmarty] if that sounds good, I’ll put you down for “Owning Your Mobile Experience” unless you come up with a better title
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[jgmac1106] almost noon, I have accomplished little see everyone tonight, gonna go silent
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[schmarty] haha, sure! [eddie] how much am i allowed to use this demo to show my Indigenous iOS pain points? 😆
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[eddie] schmarty 100%
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[eddie] I run into pain points all the time, which is one thing that I hope Remark solves for me as I'm building it to be more maintanable
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[tantek] [schmarty] I think that’ll be a very important aspect to highlight
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[tantek] Especially if you’ve filed issues for your pain points :)
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[eddie] schmarty++ 😆 He does
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aaronpk POSSE'd issues from your site to github of course
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aaronpk ;-)
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[eddie] lol!
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[schmarty] haha i don't own my github issues
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[schmarty] i would be okay if most of them fell into the sea
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[tantek] You don’t post issues from iOS? I’m shocked ;)
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[tantek] (That’d make for a pretty funny closing demo TBH)
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[schmarty] ha! i have some experience with filing GH issues on mobile.
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[schmarty] ponders if he can get some POSSE automation w/ bridgy going before Summit
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[tantek] “I still run into iOS IndieWeb problems, like this and this, and when I do, I take a screenshot and go file an issue, from my website”
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[tantek] Bridgy POSSE to GH works *really* well
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aaronpk i don't post issues from iOS, but I do reply to issue threads from iOS :)
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[tantek] Does the Indigenous iOS UI have a “report issue” link?
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[eddie] It does not. I've brainstormed one https://github.com/EdwardHinkle/remark/issues/61
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Loqi [EdwardHinkle] #61 Create a “feedback” post
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[tantek] And if so, can you setup a Shortcut so that a long press on that link can take you to a “reply” UI in your own website UI?
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[eddie] The idea I had was essentially that if you clicked "Provide Feedback" it would open up the reply UI within Indigenous directed at a hard-coded feedback post on my site
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[eddie] The only issue is if they don't have webmentions it won't send lol
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[tantek] Ah yes, report an issue right in Indigenous which posts it via mjcropub to your own site, and your site POSSEs to GH via Bridgy
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[eddie] Yep, that's the idea
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[tantek] That’s awesome but more ambitious
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[eddie] and also that the post would exist as a thing inside of Micro.blog so that if someone from Micro.blog does it, it'll show up as a thread inside of Micro.blog
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[eddie] definitely more abitious
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[eddie] ambitious
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[tantek] I mean even just a little diagonal banner link to the issues page on the repo
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sknebel [eddie]: also not that helpful if posting is entirely broken for some reason :D
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[eddie] lol sknebel fair enough
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[eddie] 😆
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[tantek] Then that leaves “making it work” up to the user to long press on it and use a Shortcut to their own web UI
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[eddie] Yeah first step is probably linking to the GH issues
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[tantek] That would be a great first step and would likely enable [schmarty] to demonstrate mobile issue posting flow too
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[eddie] :thumbsup:
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[schmarty] whew that took a while
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[tantek] schmarty++ impressive!!!
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[schmarty] lol i forgot photo replies like https://martymcgui.re/2018/04/10/162144/
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[schmarty] not that i use them much
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[schmarty] hmm, got some goof'd mf2 on those.
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[schmarty] ah, because my templates treat them as a reacji post.
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@davidlinssen Kan het Indieweb het internet nog redden? In Glitch praten we erover met @frankmeeuwsen Over het indie-gevoel. En waarom designers, volgens @monteiro het internet kapot hebben gemaakt. En wat jij daaraan kunt doen. Luisteren -> https://www.glitch.show/18 (twitter.com/_/status/1138479889579958277)
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[tantek] what is Okta
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Okta" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Okta is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] I mean, at least a sponsor 🙂
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[tantek] of several IndieWebCamp events
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aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk Okta is a service that handles authentication and user registration for apps, and is also a [[sponsor]] of several IndieWeb events https://developer.okta.com
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] 🙂
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[tantek] one question for InternetArchive videos - is it possible to link to them to start at specific time offset?
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[tantek] I ask because the first three "sessions" - Introductions, adactio's Keynote, then intro demos - are all in the same video, and I didn't know how to make links to specific offsets work (as we used to with YouTube) https://indieweb.org/2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule#Saturday
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aaronpk does media fragment not work?
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[tantek] I can never remember the syntax 😞
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aaronpk what is media fragment?
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Loqi media fragment is a way of linking to a part of a longer media file https://indieweb.org/media_fragment
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[schmarty] the syntax is a perfect fit for you, tantek!
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[schmarty] URL#t=nnn where nnn is offset in seconds.
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[tantek] doesn't look like IA supports it, just tried https://archive.org/details/IntrosIndieWebCampDusseldorf2019#t=300
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aaronpk we should ask them to :)
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[schmarty] direct link to the media works
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Loqi I agree
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[schmarty] https://ia801509.us.archive.org/2/items/IntrosIndieWebCampDusseldorf2019/Intros%20-%20IndieWebCamp%20Du%CC%88sseldorf%202019.mp4#t=300 but seems fragile
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aaronpk yeah that's the browser doing it
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[schmarty] (the CDN url will probably change)
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[tantek] yeah
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[tantek] that can work for embedding
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[tantek] like in a video tag
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aaronpk know anyone there? send them this javascript https://aaronparecki.com/2017/02/19/4/day-61-media-fragments
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 61: Supporting Media Fragment URIs for Video and Audio #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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[schmarty] ah, you can remove the CDN bits to get a more permanent URL directly to the media file.
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@MakespaceMadrid Mañana miércoles celebramos el primer encuentro del #homebrew website club! Si quieres crear tu propia web y reunirte con otras personas con las mismas inquietude, ¡no te pierdas este encuentro! https://www.meetup.com/es-ES/Makespace-Madrid/events/262039519/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138492650728939520)
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[schmarty] updated my IWC NYC availability. looks like the highest consensus date is now 9/21-22 (with 3 +1s, 2 +0s).
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[schmarty] (RIP Maker Faire NYC)
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@t ↩️ yes #Archive.org is great! @IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf we posted 100% of session videos to @InternetArchive https://indieweb.org/2019/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Schedule#Saturday @janl not trivial, yet also not complicated @mountain_ghosts yes we can stop posting to YouTube. (... https://tantek.com/t50y1 (twitter.com/_/status/1138494612924821504)
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GWG I hope that I am in America for IWCNYC
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@janl ↩️ We helped launch people’s careers because their talk was picked up by the YT algo. That one especially is hard to just turn away from. (twitter.com/_/status/1138496382824853504)
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@miklb > > This is a test, using an iOS Shortcut to send a note to my Micropub endpoint for syndication to Twitter.#indieweb >> >> — Scott Merrill (@smerrill) June 11, 2019 And here’s a reply from my WordPress admin testing my updates… https://miklb.com/blog/2019/06/11/5004/ https://twitter.com/smerrill/status/1138414235975868421 (twitter.com/_/status/1138504138520768514)
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@t ↩️ Was this 2016 or before? 2019: YouTube algo is launching people's conspiracy theories, misogyny, & racism careers: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/08/technology/youtube-radical.html It rarely promotes sensible content, so why bother posting to it? https://tantek.com/t50y2 (twitter.com/_/status/1138510322946400256)
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[tantek] Really hoping we can come to a consensus about preferring Internet Archive video posting instead of YouTube
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[tantek] (at Organizers Summit)
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aaronpk i think it's pretty clear
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[tantek] I'm hoping we can even take a public stance about it
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[tantek] maybe help tip other conferences that way
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aaronpk our videos aren't regular conference talks, and we don't even attempt to gain a wider audience from youtube as a platform for discovery, so we aren't getting any benefits of hosting there
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aaronpk we don't even want comments on the videos, i usually turn them off
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[tantek] yeah
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aaronpk i do see jan's point about his conference videos tho, that's a very different thing
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[tantek] they're both long form sensible (non-inflammatory) content which the algo no longer prefers
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[tantek] so I don't buy the "picked up by the YT algo" argument any more. I think that's old data
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aaronpk possibly. there's plenty of people dedicated to figuring out what the youtube algorithm wants. plenty of people making videos about that on youtube 😂
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aaronpk counterexample: one of my coworkers' videos about oauth got picked up by the algorithm and has 243k views. it's an hour long.
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aaronpk still gets about 800-900 views a day and it was posted last year
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aaronpk so i don't think it's as simple as a single algortihm
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jacky algo + resharing within youtube app
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aaronpk in other news, preparty venue is confirmed!
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[tantek] \o/
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/39
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aaronpk can someone plz approve ^^
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@mountain_ghosts ↩️ I think there's a reasonable trade-off here -- although I am very cautious around youtube, I do get a good amount of tech talks coming up in my recommendations, so this is definitely still a factor in distribution (twitter.com/_/status/1138515688732200963)
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@janl ↩️ @t @indiewebcamp @slsoftworks @mountain_ghosts I’m well aware of the downsides of YouTube, thanks. ✌️ (twitter.com/_/status/1138515855749394435)
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sknebel agreed, youtube also does surface long stuff- checked my youtube front page for the first time in forever and there's a bunch of hour-long videos recommended
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/39
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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[jgmac1106] Realized I can add a moved from youtube to archive.org and podcasts to archive to /ownyourdata... Figure if its public domain we all own my data
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[jgmac1106] .... Fears doing research required for an /ownyourdata entry
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[kevinmarks786] YouTube as syndication is OK. Archive.org works as primary
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[tantek] KevinMarks, I think "YouTube as syndication is OK" is a privileged point of view. I think in 2019 it is no longer OK. The chance of doing greater harm seems more than the marginal benefit for (vast majority of folks) syndicating.
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] a "How to move to archive.org" section on the /YouTube article would be amazing. Please start / stub it!
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[tantek] and then we can put out a call for volunteers to start with the manual labor help of moving all our past IndieWeb videos over
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[grantcodes] Got 12 people signed up for the first hwc Madrid tomorrow 🙂 anything I definitely shouldn't forget for a first event?
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[schmarty] make sure to welcome folks and let them know the meetup is for all skill levels. encourage questions! take a photo! take notes with people's domains!
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sknebel ask people what they're expecting. don't be surprised if only 1-2 of those 12 turn up.
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sknebel (assuming some open signup and not personal connections)
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[tantek] message them beforehand individually just to tell them you're looking forward to meeting them at the first ever Madrid IndieWeb Meetup!
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[tantek] (that kind of thing really helps people feel welcome to something new / strange to them)
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@kuebelreiter Ein Testpost für #indieweb POSSE! Und wenn alles gut ist wird es syndiziert! (twitter.com/_/status/1138574852951068672)
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@kuebelreiter ¡Vamos #indieweb POSSE! Und wenn alles gut ist wird es syndiziert! (twitter.com/_/status/1138575739052314625)
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@leralle ¡vamos #indieweb POSSE! https://indieweb.org/POSSE take back the web! (twitter.com/_/status/1138579923558371329)
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