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[aaronpk] [tantek] in particular for immediate need, but also all other organizers, feedback is appreciated on these two (related) issues I just wrote up https://indieweb.org/inclusivity_statement#Issues
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[tantek] I think we need to be very clear about - is this an official indieweb (sponsored!) event or not? e.g. the preparty would certainly be considered official
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[tantek] in contrast to: a bunch of folks decide to go to Ground Kontrol and are just using the wiki to coordinate that
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[tantek] note that we don't actually have an inclusivity policy yet - what's there is very clearly yellow bg marked as a draft under review
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[tantek] and a lot of it was aspirationally written by [jgmac1106] with some feedback/modifications suggested from me
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[tantek] aaronpk re: 2nd issue, I think your suggestion of "tickets" instead of "drink tickets" is a good one
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aaronpk right, but there is also a sentence there saying that we want to adopt it in time for summit?
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[tantek] there was a hope that we could adopt *something* during the Organizers Summit, in time for summit
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[tantek] and obviously it should be consistent with what we already have planned for Summit
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aaronpk (also note that some of the unofficial events may be sponsored as well, tho by a particular company rather than from ticket registrations and our open collective funds)
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[tantek] which may be different from last year(s), and we allow ourselves room to further improve in the future (instead of being aspirational and getting it all wrong)
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[tantek] I think it's ok for unofficial / side events to be sponsored, as long as we're clear with the sponsors that they are in charge / responsible, and that it's a side event, not an official indieweb event
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[tantek] Or if they do want to sponsor / make something an official indieweb event then we have more criteria
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aaronpk agreed
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[tantek] that way a sponsor is free to make a decision on their own about what constraints they want to abide by, and label their event accordingly
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aaronpk as for the pre-party, which is an "official" event, i'm going to go ahead with what I described there
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aaronpk I looked at the menus of all the businesses in pine st market, and $12 covers a reasonable variety of food and drink options
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[jgmac1106] +1 to iteration and experimentation and documentation
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[tantek] I think that's a good way to do it for the pre-party. Keep it official. make the tickets just "tickets" rather than "drink tickets". I'd even be ok with labeling them "snack tickets" or "food tickets" as a nudge for their use
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[jgmac1106] And Pine St Market seems a food venue that sells alcohol rather than an alcohol centered event.
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[tantek] Right. It's not a bar.
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[tantek] Worthy distinction
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aaronpk yeah maybe that's even worth calling out explicitly for organizers
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[tantek] you mean in the proposed policy?
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aaronpk yeah
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[tantek] that's a worthy distinction to call out yes
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[jgmac1106] Well gotta get kids to bed just back from Cub Scouts. Will check later
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jacky can I suggest a different yellow for the wiki? ;)
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jacky #FFDC00 (at least in that "draft" block)
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[tantek] go for it
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[tantek] for that draft block
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tantek.com edited /2019/Planning (+198) "/* To-do */ making some progress" (view diff)
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@btopro ↩️ V unique venue. Look up reclaim hosting on YouTube. Couple of the videos are up, more should go up next few days including a particularly ranty form of me...even for me. Lots of interesting indieweb stuff that aligns w. Dweb even if not outright doing it (twitter.com/_/status/1138666954649214977)
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aaronpk I'm already getting pretty frustrated with the wiki as an organizational tool for planning summit. Pretty sure I would vastly prefer using GitHub issues at least
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[Rose] my assumption would be that I can’t use it for anything else.
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[Rose] On the ticket front: I prefer “tickets” (with some description) over any specific naming, because if it says “snack” or “drink”
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Loqi [Rose]: [schmarty] left you a message 4 days, 10 hours ago: please indicate your prefs for a fall 2019 IndieWebCamp NYC! /Planning#NYC
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Loqi [Rose]: [schmarty] left you a message 4 days, 10 hours ago: please indicate your prefs for a fall 2019 IndieWebCamp NYC! /Planning#NYC
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[Rose] Hello Loqi. Why did you give me that message twice?
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[tantek] Rose that would be the point of the snack tickets, to steer people to use them for food not alcohol
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[Rose] But if I need a soft drink? To me a drink is any drink, not an alcoholic drink.
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[Rose] This may be a cultural difference, but in general if someone asks me if I’d like something to drink they mean the tea/coffee/soda style drinks, not cocktails, beer or wine.
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@bph ↩️ WordPress CMS - 16 years and getting stronger every day. Co-founders @photomatt & @mikelittlezed1 34% of the web via @W3Techs translated into over 100 languages - #OpenSource #openweb #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1138716595566653440)
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[jgmac1106] !tell gRegorLove here is someone else who might be interested in organizing IndieWeb Meet Ups or an IWC San Diego from UC-San Diego http://www.erinroseglass.com/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Hey Erin Rose, great to connect. Want to introduce you to @gRegorLove who is also in San Diego. He has been looking for like-minded folks to organize #IndieWeb events (especially those with venues...say like a Digital Scholarship Librarian at UC San Dieg....) (twitter.com/_/status/1138738744834572289)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you could make the #IndieWeb Summit in Portland (even remotely) you would love some of the building blocks folks have built. http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 Know you returning home from #Domains19 so travel may not be possible but we have great remote experience (twitter.com/_/status/1138739127044775937)
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@jgmac1106 @steelwagstaff you should head out to #IndieWeb summit. Be great to have some @pressbooks folks there. We do fun WordPress stuff and @pressbooks and webmentions would be awesome... If not if @Pressbooks wanted to sponsor a meal (300, 200, 100) that would be great. (twitter.com/_/status/1138740006456037376)
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@jgmac1106 @Protohedgehog Any chance you could make the #IndieWeb summit this year? http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1138740283485687812)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @riseupnet just got introduced to you folks from @erinroseglass (well found the url in her ehterpad link) your team should head to #pdx for the #IndieWeb summit http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1138741199735590913)
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@jgmac1106 Wow @Protohedgehog that was fast. Can't wait to see you. The remote options at #IndieWeb summit are great. Maybe we can do an #OpenScience session or one on Moocs (twitter.com/_/status/1138743876582301696)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here that @dannycolincom the hedgehog has spoken and you must make an appearance at the #IndieWeb Summit http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1138744268095447041)
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@jgmac1106 @Dan_Blick has @snhu realized how much they need to send you to the #IndieWeb summit yet? (twitter.com/_/status/1138748461921251328)
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@Kajrietberg Dat #indieweb is toch wel lastig. Ik dacht dit doe ik even, maar valt tegen. Heb nu het plaatsen van nieuwe artikelen op mijn site via Zapier geregeld. (twitter.com/_/status/1138783802099212288)
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@JamieTanna ↩️ If you mean http://Medium.com, I have mediumly strong views on it - I would recommend having your own domain where you can own your identity and have full control over how your site looks and operates - this is a big topic in the #IndieWeb community (twitter.com/_/status/1138784426480033793)
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[tantek] Whoa jgmac1106 out there with the recruiting!
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[tantek] [Rose] yes sounds like a cultural difference - in the US, “get a drink” unfortunately implies alcohol
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[tantek] (Not exclusively, but a bias towards)
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[Rose] Perhaps just calling it a ticket with picture/emoji of food on it would work?
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@mattbrailsford .@craigburgess thought you mike like this idea. #HomebrewWebsiteClub (twitter.com/_/status/1138794706148741120)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ you (and the others) would be very welcome at the Indieweb Summit https://2019.indieweb.org/summit - coming up soon, and local (twitter.com/_/status/1138798634408062976)
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[kevinmarks786] hah
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[schmarty] hmm, a bunch of security updates out for mediawiki... https://www.debian.org/security/2019/dsa-4460
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aaronpk sounds like a good opportunity to update
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aaronpk we're not on a super old version anymore so should be easy
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[tantek] 👍
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[tantek] 19 days until remind [tantek] [aaronpk] [jgmac1106] [schmarty] [tmiller] and anyone else who volunteered or helped organize IndieWeb Summit: https://twitter.com/janl/status/1136672910721110016
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-07-01 11:34am PDT (#6580)
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@janl PSA: The week after the event is not a great time to get in touch with an organiser about a random other thing. We are still dealing with the aftermath of it all and we need a lot more rest that usual and not other stuff to handle. In this essay I will (twitter.com/_/status/1136672910721110016)
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[tantek] 26 days until remind [tantek] [aaronpk] [jgmac1106] [schmarty] [tmiller] and anyone else who volunteered or helped organize IndieWeb Summit: https://twitter.com/janl/status/1138366767267557376
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-07-08 11:34am PDT (#6581)
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@janl The second week after as well. https://twitter.com/janl/status/1136672910721110016 (twitter.com/_/status/1138366767267557376)
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aaronpk lol
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[schmarty] lol
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[tantek] aaronpk, could we add "indiewebsummit" to the tweet filter for Loqi?
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[tantek] e.g. https://twitter.com/hashtag/indiewebsummit?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=hash
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[tantek] I mean search, https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=indiewebsummit&src=typd
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aaronpk hm i thought it was there
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aaronpk yeah it's there already
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aaronpk the search script died :/
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aaronpk weird
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[tantek] Organizers << Related to both inclusiveness and sustainability topics: https://twitter.com/janl/status/1138851779943305217
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@janl @TimoStaudinger @edorsey @jsconfeu Discussing the economic realities in which we do our work is extremely on topic for a technology conference. (twitter.com/_/status/1138851779943305217)
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Loqi ok, I added "Related to both inclusiveness and sustainability topics: https://twitter.com/janl/status/1138851779943305217" to the "See Also" section of /Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62320&oldid=62206
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@sl007 ↩️ Hallo alle, wie machen hier https://www.weboftrust.info/next-event-page.html davor einen ActivityPub workshop. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ – https://github.com/BasixKOR/awesome-activitypub - sagt Bescheid, sonst ist ja alles genannt, ggf. noch die "indieweb" Sachen, wie https://webmention.net/draft/ (twitter.com/_/status/1138885197703856133)
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[kevinmarks786] https://twitter.com/Amorelandra/status/1138872033213702144?s=20
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aaronpk let's keep this indieweb relevant [kevinmarks786]
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@rosielefaive If you want to return to an age of self-curation, I'm on that journey now. #indieweb More updates soon, including... my blog (!!) (twitter.com/_/status/1138888485207760898)
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@jgmac1106 @fncll you should try to remote in to the #IndieWeb summit better yet set up price alerts for Alaska Airlines and hop down the coast to #pdx http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 June 29-30 (twitter.com/_/status/1138895740246405120)
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jacky looks like you're back?
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[jgmac1106] nope....cutting and pasting back and forth......
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[jgmac1106] and just did a huge rant and not looking forward to cutting and pasting.....wait Granary
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[tantek] Maybe publish huge rant as a blog post and tweet a link & post name instead?
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@janl ↩️ A non-YT link is a fair ask, and we’ll consider it, but that’s going to take away from (not a lot) of ad revenue, which we’re putting towards scholarships. If that means taking white supremacist money and giving it to people they hate, for the moment I can live with that. (twitter.com/_/status/1138898150977134593)
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[jgmac1106] I am going to, trying to be polite first, honey first but then forget bees.... I am loading hornets into my shotgun
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@janl ↩️ @t @indiewebcamp @slsoftworks @mountain_ghosts @internetarchive But I don’t know for how much longer, which is why appreciate all this ✌️ (twitter.com/_/status/1138898223286882304)
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[jgmac1106] is there any way to date range a search with granary.io...it would be just today but I only get my last 5-7 tweets i think
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aaronpk if theyre in an thread you can use threadreaderapp to turn them into a single page
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[jgmac1106] ahh perfect thx [aaronpk]
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[jgmac1106] listening to this pretty good so far: https://nextbillionseconds.com/2019/06/12/episode-3-09-the-future-of-the-web-with-sean-white/
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[jgmac1106] need to tidy up the HTML and style the page but atleast I got it...must have resonated 13k views of the thread so far: http://jgregorymcverry.com/reflectionsonspringteaching.html
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[tonz] [tantek] in light of our earlier conversation about the blogging sessions at the unconference I took part in, I wrote this brief overview w pics https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/three-conversations-about-blogging/
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Loqi [tonz] has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (23 in all channels)
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[tantek] [tonz]++
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@ton_zylstra Three conversations on the past, future and practice of blogging I had at last week's unconference Crafting {:} a Life. #indieweb (https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/three-conversations-about-blogging/) (twitter.com/_/status/1138908473150922752)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @adrianhon @cstross We have some baseline tech for that https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1138909872727252993)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I did my YouTube takeout today and am writing a YouTube->http://archive.org tutorial through process. Already started hosting all NEW videos there: https://archive.org/details/@jgmac1106 and moved all my podcasts from AWS->http://archive.org https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/14/hosting-your-podcast-on-the-internet-archive-archiveorg-and-glitch (twitter.com/_/status/1138915388425740291)
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@janl ↩️ Thanks for jumping in with a point that has already been made multiple times while not addressing the more complex issues we brought up ✌️ (twitter.com/_/status/1138915661873405952)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @janl @t @indiewebcamp @slsoftworks @mountain_ghosts @internetarchive Apologies, stage left https://t.co/7W4qU19jVa (twitter.com/_/status/1138916262912962561)
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[jgmac1106] am I missing half the thread, I don't see those points brought up but sorry for jumpoing in
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/janl/status/1138496382824853504
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@janl @t @slsoftworks @indiewebcamp @internetarchive @mountain_ghosts We helped launch people’s careers because their talk was picked up by the YT algo. That one especially is hard to just turn away from. (twitter.com/_/status/1138496382824853504)
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[jgmac1106] never really been "stackoverflowed" on Twitter
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GWG Do you think I can explain, "what the IndieWeb is, why it exists, and why there's movement to push people towards it."
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[tantek] what is the indieweb
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Loqi The IndieWeb is a community of individual personal websites, connected by simple standards, based on the principles of owning your domain, using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and own your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
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[tantek] what is why
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Loqi "You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world [wide web]." — Morpheus, The Matrix Whatever the reason, you're done with others owning your content, your identity, and your self. Our online content and identities are becoming more important and sometimes even critical to our lives. Neither are secure in the hands of random ephemeral startups or big silos. We should be the holders of our online presence https://indieweb.org/why
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GWG [tantek]: I meant on a podcast
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GWG Or am I better off referring someone else.
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jgmac1106[m] You are the WordPress President. Take well deserved recognition
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GWG jgmac1106[m]: This is Jeff Chandler and WP Tavern's podcast.
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GWG After last time with him...
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GWG Well, I guess there's no time like the present to find out.
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aaronpk tantek gave me some good advice last week which I used on the radio interview! I managed to pack in a brief intro to the indieweb in like 3 minutes
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GWG Is that advice recorded anywhere?
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GWG For that matter, is that interview recorded anywhere?
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aaronpk it is, it's in last week's newsletter in the podcast section, but i'm also about to republish it on percolator
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GWG I miss Percolator
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GWG Have you percolated lately and I missed it?
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aaronpk nope :(
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aaronpk i've been bad
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Loqi misses Percolator too
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GWG We need an IWC in August.
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GWG Can someone do that?
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GWG aaronpk, [tantek] I think I need some pointers. I fear this is a tough crowd. But I haven't been booked yet. The last time Jeff Chandler and I interacted, nothing happened.
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jgmac1106[m] Gwg you know your stuff and a good podcast host shares either the format or the questions, often both
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GWG jgmac1106[m]: Yes...but I have heard the hosts and their thoughts.
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GWG I want to present well on the topic
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jgmac1106[m] And you will. Maybe think in 3-2-1 three benefits of WP IndieWeb, 2 recent changes, 1 remaining challenge. Avoid the jargon as much as possible
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GWG I don't do jargon
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @rrrrrrrix You might like https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1138957388780855296)
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[tantek] almost time to get setup for HWC SF!
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[tantek] gosh that arrived all of a sudden
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[tantek] feels like time is hypercompressed in the approach to IWS
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[jgmac1106] Glad I am not the only one tired. Totally forgot about Accra today... Granted was at my kids Arbor Day/Flag Day concert... But felt bad
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I don't see Accra listed here: https://indieweb.org/events/2019-06-12-homebrew-website-club#Where was there some other plan for it?
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[tantek] London had cupcakes!