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[jgmac1106] ...it didn't happen as I didn't even realize it was HWC week....folks sent me Skype connection. My fault but will see if they still met
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[jgmac1106] Just got swamped with my brother's wedfing, my bad
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] it shouldn't be just your responsibility to update the wiki, can you encourage the local organizers to jump in and try?
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (-165) "/* Working On */ note the things that snarfed has been asking me to build / make work / show, HTTPS support was done back in 2019-03!!" (view diff)
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[tantek] -165! progress on working on 😂
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[tantek] is anyone here from Matrix?
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GWG Call me Morpheus
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jacky like using matrix?
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jacky you can tell if their handle is suffixed with `[m]`
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[tantek] yeah I'm just wondering if anyone is actually joined from the Matrix bridge
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jacky I think Greg's in via that right now
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jacky as well as infominer[m]
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[tantek] the Join Discussion links for Matrix don't seem to work? Or can someone using Riot verify them? https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions
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infominer[m] Must signin thru desktop first and its slow to connect that first time
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infominer[m] Been meaning to add that to my page where i copied those to
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infominer[m] I even followed that format to enter the news channel
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jacky ooh I didn't know that we had links for that
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infominer[m] New to the discussion page from a couple weeks ago
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infominer[m] To assist my lostness
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jacky why riot.im links tho? Why not http://matrix.to/?
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infominer[m] From getting vpn blocked by irc
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jacky wait matrix.to is blocked under your vpn?
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infominer[m] No irc
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infominer[m] Blocked by irc servers, maybe someway around, but idk
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infominer[m] I guess riot is just a matrix app? But im still fuzzy
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2019-163-hwc-sf.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2019-163-hwc-sf.jpg"
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@manton2 ↩️ No problem, I just wanted to get a little more information about how we can improve it. For belonging to an "ecosystem", it's best to think of blogs on http://Micro.blog as part of the larger IndieWeb. (It's actually free to use, but paid if you want us to host your blog.) (twitter.com/_/status/1139012164210089984)
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[tantek] whoa (social) networks collision! I know both of you [manton] and Kevin Smokler!
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[tantek] and pretty sure you have both been in Austin at the same time (Kevin is old school SXSW interactive)
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[manton] Oh cool!
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[tantek] and +1 for discovery
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[tantek] [manton] I presume from the tone of the conversation thread that you two have not previously met right?
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[eddie] [manton] from reading that thread, the discover feed is available to access. I wonder if there could be some type of “conversation discovery feed” that shows not JUST the initial post but the conversations in response to the initial post, showing people that don’t have a Micro.blog account the type of community conversations that go on “on the other side of the login”
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[eddie] I think that *might* be what’s missing from his perspective and causing this “I don’t know what’s behind the wall” phrasing
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grant.codes uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:hwc-madrid-2019-06-12.jpg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:hwc-madrid-2019-06-12.jpg"
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sknebel jacky: no specific reason, if other links are "better" feel free to replace
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[jgmac1106] Jacky why riot vs Matrix links... Because I didn't know any different. Please add matrix links... People struggled to search for rooms
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[jgmac1106] Oops sknebel pretty much said same thing
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I wasn't referring to autograding (though argue if you can fool a machine grader with nonsense youvare by definition a phenomenal writer who grasp sublety of prose) but online learning will hace more and more non human actors. Stop by #IndieWeb chat and see how Loqi works. (twitter.com/_/status/1139113793693388800)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Some info, no mention of webmentions but I know folks have added some, will try to ask folks to update wiki with examples: https://indieweb.org/Netlify (twitter.com/_/status/1139133967058292736)
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[tantek] BTconf Berlin dates announced! https://beyondtellerrand.com/events/berlin-2019 last year we held an IWC Berlin the weekend before btconf Berlin - we’ll have to see if that’s feasible again this year
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@jgmac1106 Hey all @twitter will not restore the write access for my website. This is the third time locking me out. Here are copies of the email correspondence. Do you think I did something wrong? #edtechchat #edchat #IndieWeb #FOSS #mozillians http://bit.ly/2F6f0rm (twitter.com/_/status/1139159919138148353)
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[tantek] What is Discord?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Discord" yet. Would you like to create it?_1 (Or just say "Discord is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Did I spell that right?
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Swedneck_ Hi! We'd like to bridge #indieweb to discord (https://discord.gg/hqrNeDH), would this be okay?
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[jgmac1106] tantek I checked all the pages. It does not exist yet probably bc there wasn't any IndieWeb relevance..until now
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jgmac1106 Swedneck_ everything on the channels is Public Domain, if you want to Bridge I would say go for it, if Discord’s ToS and data collection policies do not claim any copyright or exclusive license to use any of the work
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jgmac1106 please also note the #chat channel is not logged and is considered off the record
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jgmac1106 I mean it’s Public Domain they can use it if they wanted to…it would be the assigning a license, i have never used Discord or read it’s ToS or Privacy policy
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Swedneck_ discord is a bit iffy regarding privacy, but i can't find any references to them claiming any copyright
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loqi.me created /discord (+131) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by Swedneck_" (view diff)
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Loqi ok
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Swedneck_ neat
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Swedneck_ just to be clear this bridge was requested by shokunin, i've never actually heard of indieweb before :P
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jgmac1106 well welcome come for the bridging and stay for the coffee
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jgmac1106 Gives Loqi coffee
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jgmac1106 gives Loqi coffee
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jgmac1106 not sure what I am doing wrong there or Loqi is back to drinking tea…thought that would get you kicked out of #PDX
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[manton] [eddie] Yeah, we've gone back and forth on that... We used to show replies in Discover, which I liked, but sometimes they would be out of context and not useful. Need to think through it a little more.
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by mblaney: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/40
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[manton] [tantek] I don't think I ever met Kevin at SXSW. I replied a few times on Twitter because I was having trouble understanding exactly what needed to be better in Micro.blog. (I think it's a combination of not being able to see more example posts before signing up, and confusion about how it's built on blogs.)
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aaronpk Swedneck_: regarding bridging the chat, my only request is that discord users bridged back here appear as individual IRC users rather than speaking through a bot user
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aaronpk for example all the users here with [] around their nicks are from slack
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aaronpk and matrix does it with [m] appended
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Swedneck_ that is the case, thanks to matrix :D
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aaronpk Is it actually a matrix-discord bridge?
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Swedneck_ i think their names might be massive though
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Swedneck_ matrix-appservice-discord
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aaronpk IRC has a pretty short limit on nick length
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Swedneck_ https://github.com/Half-Shot/matrix-appservice-discord
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Swedneck_ check #indieweb and see how discord users are bridged
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aaronpk Looks like Matrix users to me!
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Swedneck_ ah, it seems to use the displayname thankfully, so not `@_discord_93451395352498176:getepona.com[m]`
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aaronpk Yeah that's too long for IRC, it wouldn't work
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aaronpk Please bridge the rest of the channels too, and add instructions for how to join the discord to https://indieweb.org/discuss
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Swedneck_ alright
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Swedneck_ !discord bridge 475789330380488707/588730998980739073
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[tantek] What is HWC
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Loqi Homebrew Website Club is a bi-weekly meetup of people passionate about or interested in creating, improving, building, designing their own website, in the same structure as the classic Homebrew Computer Club meetings https://indieweb.org/hwc
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[tantek] [kenbauer] can you update https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Guadalajara with the info about hiatus and resuming?
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aaronpk Swedneck_: what is the logging policy in discord? Do they make the logs available indefinitely?
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swedneck[m] i believe so
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aaronpk Ok, we'll have to talk about the implications of that for the #indieweb-chat channel
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aaronpk What is 2019/Organizers
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Loqi The Organizers Summit is a half-day of activities and sessions before IndieWeb Summit 2019, for Organizers, everyone who has co-organized a recent IndieWebCamp or series of Homebrew Website Club meetups https://indieweb.org/2019/Organizers
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swedneck[m] i could just skip bridging that
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aaronpk 2019/Organizers << discuss whether #indieweb-chat should be bridged to discord or other platforms where logs are available indefinitely
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Loqi ok, I added "discuss whether #indieweb-chat should be bridged to discord or other platforms where logs are available indefinitely" to the "See Also" section of /2019/Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62345&oldid=61961
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aaronpk yeah skip it for now
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swedneck[m] as for how to join via discord, should i just add the invite links to the individual channels for now?
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swedneck[m] discord works slightly differently to IRC, you join guilds rather than channels, and those guilds then have channels that you automatically join
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swedneck[m] so really we could just have the invite link to the main indieweb channel
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aaronpk Add whatever instructions you need to tell people how to do it who aren't familiar with discord :-)
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aaronpk I didn't know about this "guild" thing. Or is that what look like slack teams?
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Swedneck_ ah yeah it's like slack
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Swedneck_ (i genuinely forgot slack exists)
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aaronpk In discord, I see "join a server" but nothing that mentions guilds
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swedneck[m] here is a permanent invite link to the indieweb channel: https://discord.gg/hqrNeDH
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swedneck[m] discord just straight up does not have built-in discoverability for anything that isn't an official game chat, people just find invites via other media
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swedneck[m] yet it's extremely popular ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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aaronpk Ah I see, it's a section in the IPFS discord server
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swedneck[m] yes
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aaronpk[m] Oh dear I have a Matrix user in IRC now
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aaronpk The matrix/discord bridge is definitely slow
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aaronpk oh well
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Swedneck_ it is?
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swedneck[m] doesn't seem slow at all to me
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[tantek] let's definitely keep -chat unlogged please and if that means we can't bridge to a network which does automatic logging then I guess that's ok? maybe it's time to have a ok-to-be logged -offtopic channel
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Swedneck_ or do you mean matrix<->irc?
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[tantek] and then let people choose where they want to do offtopic chat
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aaronpk yeah there's quite a delay getting it from discord into IRC
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aaronpk wow this one is more than 5-6 seconds
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aaronpk[m] It was about 5-6 seconds delayed for me
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Swedneck_ fwiw -chat is already bridged to matrix which has undeletable logs
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aaronpk hello aaronpk[m] from the past
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Swedneck_ any matrix server in the bridged room will be keeping logs
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Swedneck_ my bets are on the matrix-irc bridge being slow
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[kenbauer] Yes, I have that item on my "todo list" for today [tantek]
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aaronpk[w] hello from the web?
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[tantek] hello
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aaronpk[w] just making sure this still works :)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Okay I will keep that as my content goal for the #indieWeb summit, I need a non or less codey project for sanity sake when doing work (twitter.com/_/status/1139183738133327872)
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aaronpk[w] test
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shokunin[m] Hey
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shokunin[m] Just saying I saw the chat above, makes sense
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shokunin[m] Let’s not bridge the things we don’t need
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shokunin[m] Thanks for the help swedneck
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swedneck[m] 👍
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aaronpk swedneck[m]: is there the notion of a "topic" in discord channels?
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aaronpk could you also add a link to https://indieweb.org/discuss and https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct in the topics?
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[jgmac1106] manton I humbly suggest adding a 3 to your splash page. Something like "Quickest Way to Personal Websites, Blogs, or Portfolios"
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[jgmac1106] when I tell folks about microblog and show them the page I often get "but does it do regular blog posts and can I make pages?"
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@sirmlivesey Moving platforms, then moving platforms, then moving... Platforms, herein lies the problem. Nearly all of us have in our pocket a device capable of running a server to syndicate our updates with foundation technology of the modern Web, RSS, plus indieweb technology. (twitter.com/_/status/1139194255497469952)
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@Weegee ↩️ Self-hosting is beyond the technical expertise of the average person. So unless you define the "IndieWeb" as coders and software engineers "free to use if you can host it" is like saying "a car is free to drive if you can repair its suspension system" (twitter.com/_/status/1139202517114294272)
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[tantek] I mean he's not wrong
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@Weegee ↩️ At least then the "IndieWeb" as you are defining it is not a bunch of people talking to themselves. Which, if we are going back to the early days of blogging was never the idea. (twitter.com/_/status/1139203339948658688)
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aaronpk that was a leap from manton's "free to use but paid if you want us to host it" to "self-hosting"
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[jgmac1106] so then micro.blog is the Uber of IndieWeb...sorry couldnt resist
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aaronpk there's plenty in between self-hosting or pay micro.blog
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[jgmac1106] I didn't want to hop in but I have been sending webmentions from my website to posts on micro.blog all morning
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/40
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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aaronpk this is pretty cool https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2F2019.indieweb.org%2Fsummit
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Loqi IndieWeb Summit
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aaronpk should we mark up the RSVP/attendee h-feed as a property of the h-event?
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[schmarty] that sounds good!
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[schmarty] or ... would that be an implied h-feed because they are children marked up as p- or u-attendee?
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aaronpk i guess that's a question, does it make more sense to have each h-card an "attendee" property?
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aaronpk avoid the h-feed altogether?
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aaronpk i forgot the whole page is an h-event
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aaronpk when we were talking about this before
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[schmarty] i think that's been wiki'd
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aaronpk ah there's an open issue on it tho https://indieweb.org/event#Markup_design
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aaronpk "not sure how to indicate RSVP status for each"
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[schmarty] welp
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aaronpk that's enough uncertainty for me to leave it as is right now :)
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@jdp23 ↩️ Yep, me too - Wordpress for the win! I also tend to use Medium for reach (POSSEing, as the #indieweb folks say), but it might well be time to get away from that. (twitter.com/_/status/1139211934312488960)
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@cwodtke ↩️ I agree to https://indieweb.org/POSSE But I also want to reach as many people as possible, so I won’t give it up. Like it or not, Medium has reach and so far they seem decent enough in how they treat writers. (twitter.com/_/status/1139217767574528000)
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[schmarty] gosh i really want to respond to that with https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/03/the-long-complicated-and-extremely-frustrating-history-of-medium-2012-present/ but i should not.
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[schmarty] Medium << https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/03/the-long-complicated-and-extremely-frustrating-history-of-medium-2012-present/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://www.niemanlab.org/2019/03/the-long-complicated-and-extremely-frustrating-history-of-medium-2012-present/" to the "See Also" section of /Medium https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62351&oldid=62335
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[tantek] schmarty++
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Loqi schmarty has 29 karma in this channel over the last year (68 in all channels)
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GWG [tantek]: I might be able to do Berlin again
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[tantek] great! can you add your date preferences? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Berlin2
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GWG Regrettably no
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GWG I might be in Europe on business in November and could side trip
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GWG But not yet confirmed
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GWG Hopefully I will know soon
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swedneck[m] aaronpk: yeah discord has topics, should i add those 2 links to every channel?
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aaronpk swedneck[m]: thanks, i just checked and it looks like the bridge has already copied the topics from IRC!
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swedneck[m] aaronpk: heh actually i did that
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aaronpk oh okay thanks :)
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@ladyniasan Good read: How the nice people of the indieweb are dealing with the Norwegian alt-right using their tech http://ow.ly/Kpsv50un0TK #internet #privacy #decentralization #scuttlebut #risk #dgov @dtnconf #dataterranemo (twitter.com/_/status/1139234541707677696)
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[tantek] wat
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[tantek] oh it's specific to SSB
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[tantek] what's SSB
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[tantek] what is SSB
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Loqi Secure Scuttlebutt is a P2P system to sync message feeds, used to build (among others) social applications that work in off-grid/sneakernet scenarios https://indieweb.org/SSB
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[tantek] SSB << https://edgeryders.eu/t/decentralized-risks-hosting-information-for-others-comes-at-a-cost/9953
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Loqi ok, I added "https://edgeryders.eu/t/decentralized-risks-hosting-information-for-others-comes-at-a-cost/9953" to the "See Also" section of /Secure_Scuttlebutt https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62358&oldid=54848
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[calumryan] Asia in November so no from me for Berlin
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shokunin[m] aaronpk I added the code of conduct as a pinned message
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aaronpk thanks!
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shokunin[m] fyi I'm the guy who created the discord (and attended the meeting in sf yesterday!)
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aaronpk 👋
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[tantek] hello and welcome to meta shokunin[m]!
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[tantek] as I mentioned, if you want your icon to show-up, add yourself to https://indieweb.org/chat-names!
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@PercolatorToday Episode 24: What is the IndieWeb? https://percolator.today/episode/24 (twitter.com/_/status/1139239418466713600)
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[tantek] [snarfed] are you able to make it to IndieWebSummit?
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[tantek] [dougbeal] I thought I heard / saw somewhere that you were not going to be able to make it to Summit? Or am I imagining that?
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jacky ^ lol
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jacky [tantek]: I think [snarfed] mentioned some time ago he wasn't attending this year
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[tantek] [snarfed] now that we have a remote participation option and ticket, any chance that helps you participate in IWS?
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@erinroseglass ↩️ ditto @jgmac1106 -- wish we had a chance to chat a little more -- your work looks terrific! and hello @gRegorLove! would love to grab coffee in san diego same time and talk possible #indieweb collabs! (twitter.com/_/status/1139260152110960641)
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jgmac1106 ooh IWC San Diego….can’t wait!! I mean start with some meet ups..but get me to the beach.
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[tantek] IWC San Diego yes please!
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[tantek] maybe even HWC SD to start!
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@kitt Excited to be going to the @indiewebcamp Summit in Portland, OR June 29-30, 2019 - https://2019.indieweb.org/summit - I have so many questions... #indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/1139270486171553802)
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[tantek] \o/
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gRegorLove Thanks Loqi, I hadn't looked at Twitter yet today XD
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Loqi gRegorLove: [jgmac1106] left you a message 1 day, 11 hours ago: here is someone else who might be interested in organizing IndieWeb Meet Ups or an IWC San Diego from UC-San Diego http://www.erinroseglass.com/
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Loqi you're welcome
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gRegorLove Y'all are jumping way too far ahead. I think I'm only in for HWC for now. :)
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gRegorLove Trying to not get too frazzled
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[tantek] Welcome [rem]!
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[jgmac1106] I did say meet up
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[jgmac1106] working up to my beach trip..where I learned to Surf..for the third or fourth time...can't wait to learn to surf
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[tantek] And we’ve bridged IRC, Slack, Matrix, and just today added another network, Discord!
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gRegorLove [jgmac1106], I know, meant tantek's comment :)
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gRegorLove whoa, Discord?
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gRegorLove what is discord
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "discord" yet. Would you like to create it?_2 (Or just say "discord is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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aaronpk heh
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gRegorLove Sorry, I'm probably behind
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aaronpk guess we need a page for it now
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gRegorLove ...
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[tantek] gRegorLove ok you're on! https://indieweb.org/Planning#San_Diego
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gRegorLove https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-06-13#t1560458409348900
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Loqi [gRegorLove] Y'all are jumping way too far ahead. I think I'm only in for HWC for now. :)
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gRegorLove Was about to put it on /HWC :)
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aaronpk i can't bring myself to vote on 2020 dates because i don't believe that's a real year
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[tantek] I had so much trouble actually typing it in and not just hitting delete
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gRegorLove 6 months away. Oof.
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/kitt/status/1139270486171553802
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[tantek] !rt https://twitter.com/kitt/status/1139270486171553802
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Loqi Thanks [tantek] and aaronpk! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1139276134242086912
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gRegorLove !rt https://twitter.com/kitt/status/1139270486171553802
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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[tantek] uh, please don't retweet it more than once Loqi
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gRegorLove c-c-combo retweet
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aaronpk the twitter API thorws an error if you try to retweet something you've already retweeted
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aaronpk [jgmac1106]: that's the opposite of what I would think would be useful. Our current travel assistance fund explicitly already says it can be used for childcare. I dont see the point of splitting the funds people are contributing to
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aaronpk adding a ticket that explicitly requests childcare on the other hand is worth discussing
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[jgmac1106] anyone know if there was a Keynote 108 Berlin?
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[jgmac1106] looks scheduled but do not see it on the wiki
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jgmac1106 https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin
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sknebel fairly sure we voluntold adactio for that the night before?
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[tantek] In Berlin, [Yulia] gave the keynote. Did that not make the recordings?
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[tantek] At /2019/Berlin that is
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sknebel oh, I interpreted the 108 as 2018 somehow :D
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sknebel ah, right, link below it
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sknebel late here :d
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[tantek] IDK what happened to the recordings at Berlin 2018
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sknebel I think you said mozilla had troubles exporting them afterwards?
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[tantek] Organizers << thread of suggestions for a more inclusive conference: https://twitter.com/holly/status/1139212302086037504
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@holly Women, and especially #WomenInTech -- what do you want to see from events and festivals (eg free tampons in toilets, code of conduct etc)? Writing an article, may quote you! (twitter.com/_/status/1139212302086037504)
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Loqi ok, I added "thread of suggestions for a more inclusive conference: https://twitter.com/holly/status/1139212302086037504" to the "See Also" section of /Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62390&oldid=62389
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[tantek] Sknebel if we recorded them in Mozilla’s internal system then it’s likely I never got around to exporting them because it’s quite a pain to do so :/
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GWG Yulia said she had it, but never sent it
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@jgmac1106 @McAndrewFiona Are you okay with me citing you here: https://indieweb.org/Organizers#Travel_Assistance (twitter.com/_/status/1139297719334428675)
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chrisaldrich tantek, I think in response to your query https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-06-10#t1560196475970800 @jgmac1106 was using a more benign version of dogpiling like this example: https://twitter.com/alicegoldfuss/status/1137035377829699585 in which several community members chimed in without necessarily reading the entirety of the replies
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chrisaldrich I'll note that the example happened within a scant three days of your asking the question
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[jgmac1106] and Mike Holden I think he got sent the list to the GDPR session like five times
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[jgmac1106] link*
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[jgmac1106] and I have personally been called out for jumping into a conversation where I wasn't welcome from getting there from a syndicated link and not reading entire thread...I never even visited Twitter for context.
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chrisaldrich ^ may be a context collapse issue that social readers might consider addressing.
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[tantek] Also twitter takes a few moments to load the context. Often you only see one reply context upon first viewing a tweet page, then it used JS to retrieve the whole preceding thread
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aaronpk I'm not sure this is entirely a technology problem
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aaronpk when I see a tweet that mentions indieweb, I might feel compelled to reply to specifically that tweet, even if the original tweet up in the chain is about something else. It's hard to train yourself out of that
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chrisaldrich often I'll bookmark those (especially from those I don't know directly) and come back several days later and only respond if no one in their immediate network has followed up. (presuming they asked a question or seemed to need some help/advice)
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chrisaldrich Often there's also an issue of the branching of threads, so it's important to traverse the entire tree and all the individual threads as their question may have been addressed on tweet 3 when you came in on tweet 7 and otherwise don't see it in the Twitter UI.
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chrisaldrich Wouldn't it be nice if Twitter had a branching diagram in the sidebar somewhat like the branching diagrams that Git clients provide?