#meta 2019-06-14

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@casssh ↩️ @ParissAthena https://indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1139322843928453122)
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[tantek] 🙌
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@jackyalcine ↩️ It is. Most of us can get into it - lots of good reasons https://indieweb.org/why and some steps with using things like https://indieweb.org/Jekyll#IndieWeb_Support. I’m working on https://indieweb.org/Koype tho (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/08035429-1de4-4d5e-b9ed-ff246c70b0ba) (twitter.com/_/status/1139330974398013440)
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[tantek] jacky++ ❤
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Loqi 3 days until Remind [tantek] to update https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/lists/indieweb-summit-2019/members with ppl from https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2019-06-16 5:39pm PDT (#6586)
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jacky.wtf edited /Jekyll (+363) "/* How to */ light guide on using jekyll to get into the indieweb" (view diff)
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jacky email is the one true god!
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[tantek] 😂
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jacky ^ that part is not as good as I'd like to be (re: /Jekyll#How_To) but it has more beginning points now!
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[jgmac1106] so my twitter account was picked up by spam filters because my invite text were too close to being duplicate replies. I like the idea of DMing invites as way to totally avoid but if inviting folks through syndication mix up your syntax and content
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aaronpk was that twitter's response?
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[jgmac1106] yes, I wrote back and said i can't guess at which of the four conditions. they were much more speecific
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aaronpk wow
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aaronpk i'm surprised they were willing to tell you
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[jgmac1106] makes sense as a spam filter and it is spammy behavior in a way. form letter
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aaronpk yep
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[jgmac1106] I mean they give you four conditions and you have to explain what you did wrong and what you will not do again, I said impossible, tell me which one
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[jgmac1106] My response: Thank you for letting me know the specific violation. In the future I will only send invitations to events natively on Twitter through DMs to ensure two way following.
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[tantek] well that's some progress
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[tantek] what is a direct message
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Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/direct_message
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[tantek] dm would be a neat feature to add to a personal site
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[tantek] oops dev
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[tantek] or even #indieweb
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tantek.com edited /Falcon (+850) "/* better post creation UI */ prototype post creation UI with a DM UI (that would be actually useful), MVF send, next: 30 second undo clientside, then serverside" (view diff)
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loqi.me created /YT (+20) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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[tantek] [aaronpk] - worth updating the "Keynotes" section on 2019.indieweb ... summit
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aaronpk yes, i'm workingon the guest list right now
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[tantek] I want to do an announcement post welcoming Kitt as our latest Keynote
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[tantek] sweet
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[dougbeal] [tantek] Correct, I’m having to switch to remote for IWS
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[tantek] ah got it - can you try out the Remote Participation ticket and make sure it works? (it should be free etc.)
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[tantek] and then change your indie RSVP to "no" so it the RSVPs list accurately reflects in-person participants?
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ but if folks were using blogs that had #IndieWeb building blocks that power the modern social web much of this would been easy, the tools for parsing microformats so robust...but there isn't an easy way to roll these out to students (yet gimme one more year). (twitter.com/_/status/1139350077431078914)
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[dougbeal] [tantek] Signed up for tito remote ticket, changed RSVP to no.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ If you are bored one day and you have to use @IFTTT to syndicate to Twitter I did make this: http://bit.ly/2ZjxdcE basically I use the classic themes...just a fun experiment to see how I could start using more #IndieWeb building blocks with blogger (twitter.com/_/status/1139353076370984960)
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[tantek] [dougbeal] 👍
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[tantek] Will be sorry to miss you at the in person events but hopefully we can make all the remote participation work well!
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[tantek] And thanks for testing our new ticket flow!
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[tantek] Dougbeal++
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/41
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/41
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/42
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/42
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/43
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/43
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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@cssdotla Want to lead a CSS workshop? @scott_gruber @jimthoburn are bringing back http://CSS.la to follow the lead of @laras126 to make CSS and web design a part of @LearnToCodeLA @jsdotla @MAPTIMELA. Meetup set for 7/31/2019 6-9pm #IndieWeb #artdirectionfortheweb (twitter.com/_/status/1139361029618462723)
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aaronpk this website is magic 🌟 https://mjordan.codes/
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[tantek] uhoh
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[tantek] hotlinking animated gifs on myspace oh dear
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aaronpk 😂
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-06-14.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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aaronparecki.com edited /Planning (+18) "/* 2020 */" (view diff)
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[tantek] what happened to https://indieweb.org/2018#Photos ? why / how is that empty?
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aaronpk umm
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aaronpk weird, nothing on my flickr either
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jacky woah whole page is gone too
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aaronpk more likely never existed
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aaronpk here's the group photo, feel free to copy it to the wiki https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/28/26/iws
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Thanks so much to everyone who participated in #IndieWebSummit this year, both in person and remotely! It was really inspiring to see so many people who care about owning their online presence together! #indieweb https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/28/26/photo.jpg
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jacky it's weird because it's there in older version
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jacky *versions
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jacky https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=2018&oldid=49362
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aaronpk oh why'd the photo get removed
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aaronpk ohh tantek moved it up to the corner https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=2018&diff=56007&oldid=52406
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[jgmac1106] @chrisaldirch check out tweet from LA
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GWG Hello, [jgmac1106]
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jgmac1106 hey gwg off to bed, just saw that and signing off
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Yeah been checking out and hanging with @btopro. he attended #IndieWeb New Haven remotely and gave us a quick demo on HAXcms, heard it is in @ReclaimHosting CPanel you know I will give it a spin. @getkirby is my summer project (twitter.com/_/status/1139385964181110784)
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gRegorLove [tantek], I think that's a duplicate template for Tiara. /Template:tm
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tantek.com edited /2018 (+179) "add photo, linked to original post it came from" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2018/Photos (+162) "at least the day 1 photo" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok restored in place and a separate full page. I have a feeling folks have more photos lurking on their devices (hopefully mine too) and there's a chance of getting more up there with a place to freely add them
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aaronpk jacky found the photo, it's already on the wiki but you moved it to the top right corner of the page and took it out of the photos section on /2018
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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[tantek] yup, it's ok in both places.
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[tantek] speaking of https://2019.indieweb.org/ being deployed - can we get IndieWeb Oxford and Brighton on there?
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[tantek] dates and links are in the IWCs template
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aaronpk Im going to bed but anyone else can do that too!
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@t Happy to announce @Kitt will be speaking on “On Contractions & Expansions” @IndieWebSummit 2019! Kitt is a brilliant developer, prolific writer, photographer, and posts at https://ki.tt/ Join us in two weeks! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit https://tantek.com/t5102 (twitter.com/_/status/1139426433795670016)
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boffosocko.com edited /AirDrop (+266) "brainstorming; see also: geofence, audience" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-307) "update from /Events" (view diff)
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@martinlindner vielleicht wird sich dann erneut vom #CERN aus eine #indieweb-alternative zum #Office365-cloud-universum enzwickeln, das erst einmal auf absehbare zeit (7 jahre?) die standard-#wissensarbeit-umgebung sein wird. (twitter.com/_/status/1139463556338999296)
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@martinlindner vielleicht wird sich dann erneut vom #CERN aus eine #indieweb-alternative zum #Office365-cloud-universum entwickeln, das aber erst einmal auf absehbare zeit (7 jahre?) die standard-#wissensarbeit-umgebung sein wird. (twitter.com/_/status/1139467692874829824)
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@mattbrailsford ↩️ @craigburgess @JamieTanna @leekelleher There's some structure info on the wiki https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Structure (twitter.com/_/status/1139471463726178305)
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@casssh ↩️ last year I found your site randomly I think from that project good for poc in tech and you were my intro to indieweb, so ty for these links (twitter.com/_/status/1139477125050851328)
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@marleenstikker Distributed web is in the making check #indieweb #CalltoEurope (twitter.com/_/status/1139485239724716037)
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@so_geht_digital Mittagspause! Danach geht es weiter mit spannenden Sessions - #GeschlechtergerechteSprache #IndieWeb und Räume für den Austausch stehen auf dem Plan! @FCZBBerlin #frauenbarcamp #barcamper #frauenprojektedigital (twitter.com/_/status/1139498927382761472)
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk++ for the flip on attendees way more representative now
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@FCZBBerlin Alles übers #indieweb erzählt Louzie vom #FCZB beim #Barcamp #Frauenprojektedigital #fediverse #mastodon #gopher #überwachungskapitalismus. (twitter.com/_/status/1139507500309471232)
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[jgmac1106] Hey the Ghana team is considering some l10n work in t'wi with the wiki...@aaronpk shared getiing started with translation page, anyone know where I can find it
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @ParissAthena @casssh if you want to hang with @jackyalcine and other like minded folk please join us for the #IndieWeb Summi. Have great in person or remote options. You would leave with a new website. http://bit.ly/2GyjJ58 (twitter.com/_/status/1139512689326264320)
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[jgmac1106] found it: https://indieweb.org/how-to-start-new-translation
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@ntbauch #Indieweb Session mit Louzie zu Social Media Alternativen => https://switching.social/ #frauenprojektedigital #diy #try (twitter.com/_/status/1139514665854283778)
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@ber_it So und jetzt zum Abschluss bei #FrauenProjekteDigital noch Einblick ins #indieweb genommen. Danke! Vielleicht trefft ihr uns demnächst dann auf der twitter alternative #mastodon.... (twitter.com/_/status/1139519975666962435)
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@webgewandt Auf ins #Indieweb und ins #Fediverse. Nach Luzies Überblick gibt es kein Halten mehr. #FrauenProjekteDigital https://t.co/qZX1buJMBe (twitter.com/_/status/1139520051244142595)
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@btopro Tons of content here & I need to go through much myself still but here's the #Domains19 playlist -- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpK5svzslv8qi8YZjqJqKS2hLEGwnUPF0 #Edtech #indieweb #edu #FOSS and lots of interesting discussions about privacy, surveillance, faculty and student perspectives on tools / experiments (twitter.com/_/status/1139526418365374465)
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@ton_zylstra Backfeed is key in breaking out of silos. @schnarfed wonders about doing backfeed without code. As an emerging bit of internet plumbing, much like RSS, making backfeed easier is of tremendous use. #indieweb (https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2019/06/backfeed-doing-it-without-code/) (twitter.com/_/status/1139529719232323585)
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@ton_zylstra ↩️ Cool! Meteen je feed weer aan mijn reader toegevoegd, want die ontbrak nog sinds mijn herstart met rss lezen. En je hebt je site #indieweb enabled met webmention zie ik. Nice. Tot blogs! ;) (twitter.com/_/status/1139531982575218688)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Oops meant web stuff. Like #IndieWeb why not grab @film_girl from Seattle and come do a fundraiser in #pdx and then stop by #IndieWeb Summit (twitter.com/_/status/1139532636643373057)
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[tonz] When https://unicyclic.com/indieweb/2019-summit talks about ‘webactions’ what does that mean. I gave it my url and it didn’t find an endpoint. What is it looking for, micropub ?
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sknebel what is webactions?
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Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application https://indieweb.org/webactions
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sknebel ah, probably this: https://indieweb.org/webaction_handler
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[kevinmarks786] some dangling definitions there
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sknebel dangling?
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[kevinmarks786] tantek added some pages to tag hem as jargon, but they have no dfn
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[kevinmarks786] what is hydrate?
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Loqi hydrate is https://indieweb.org/hydrate
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[tantek] Yes, anytime someone uses undefined jargon in the main #indieweb channel I’m now defining it as [[Category:jargon]] just to make the point
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sknebel What's the point you want to make thats not done better with a friendly reminder? (especially if its someone new as it was here?)
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sknebel (or actually asking for a dfn instead of creating empty placeholders like that)
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[eddie] Yeah that's tricky because there's no context to create a definition later. Like ... what is hydrate? I have no idea.
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aaronpk hydrate is what you do with water
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[eddie] That's jargon?
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aaronpk I think it's actually referring to JavaScript rendering stuff
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sebsel I understand hydrating as taking serialized data and putting it into models / classes / structs where you can work with in your programming language
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sebsel I don't really see any indieweb relevance also
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sebsel so [tantek]: at least put a link or citation to the usage, so we can better guess the meaning ;)
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sebsel I only see a message from 2017-01-27, https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=hydrate
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sebsel found it: https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100
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Loqi [jolvera] jamietanna[m]: first render is from the server, then it hydrates the markup with React and add all the goodies. And for navigation https://github.com/zeit/next.js/#prefetching-pages
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[eddie] Ahh gotcha
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sebsel so here it's HTML, returned from the server, but rendered by React. And then in the browser, React is added again, and takes over the HTML, so that it becomes dynamic again / js without js;dr
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aaronpk I also think it's a silly word but oh well
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sebsel yea
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sebsel it could mean multiple things, and there is no indieweb-specific meaning to it.
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sebsel other than people using server rendered react / vue / whatevs on their personal pages.
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[schmarty] Do we have a way to capture jargon besides making a definition and tagging it Category:jargon?
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sebsel just do `jargon << term` for it?
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "just do `jargon" or similar
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[schmarty] Might be less confusing to do that with these terms instead
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[eddie] That does seem like a better scenario then having a bunch of random pages everywhere
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[tantek] No we have no other way currently. And the plan is for Loqi to steer jargon users in #indieweb to use the dev channel instead
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[tantek] Since even the humans have trouble with keeping up with and encouraging such movement
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[tantek] sknebel++ has been doing a good job of that though
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sebsel I have a feeling that a lot of the jargon terms introduces are used by people who are on IRC, rather than Slack.
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sebsel We could use numbers on that, but... I feel that IRC users let the jargon flow more easily
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sebsel And I think it's also hard to blame them... the medium defines the message.
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sebsel But yes, Loqi nudging people could help.
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[tantek] Haha we could have Loqi call that out. “Hi I see you’ve joined us from Freenode! While customary in IRC, we prefer to discuss development topics and especially any jargon like term1, term3, and term 3 in the indieweb-dev channel. Thanks!”
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sknebel ugh, please no
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[tantek] 😂😂
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sknebel "welcoming" is certainly something else
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sknebel I think any kind of automatic reminder has to be really careful and only with a quite limited word list
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sknebel if it's worth it at all
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sebsel how about bridging IRC's #indieweb-beginners to #indieweb in Slack, and #indieweb-jargon in Slack to #indieweb in IRC? :)
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sebsel joking here
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sebsel but #indieweb-beginners with Slack autojoin could be something too?
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sebsel !meme create all the channels
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/511ZeSu9.jpg
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[tantek] Nah users are not beginners
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[tantek] I dislike that framing / implied ranking
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sknebel agreed
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[tantek] Frankly most developers are (self-admitted even!) beginners at UX, design, use-cases / user flow documentation - all of which is ontopic for #indieweb
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[tantek] Though we are blessed with a greater than average number / % of UX-aware and user-centric devs in this community for which I’m very grateful
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sebsel I don't mean that the main channel shouldn't be welcoming, but for new people... it's nice to have a place that's obviously okay to talk in. A lower bar to entry.
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sebsel I did not mean a beginner in IndieWeb is a level 1 dev.
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[tantek] Jargon use tends to be more excluding than welcoming.
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[tantek] So I think it’s an ok balance to steer (even brand new) jargon users immediately to IndieWeb-Deb
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[tantek] Ugh autocomplete 😭
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[tantek] indieweb-dev
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sebsel Not all jargon is dev-jargon.
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[tantek] #notalljargon 😂
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GWG What about newcomers?
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GWG indieweb-curious?
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[tantek] what is welcoming?
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Loqi Welcoming is how we as a community welcome new members to our community https://indieweb.org/welcoming
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[eddie] I definitely think the IndieWeb channel is the place for new people. In terms of the jargon, Loqi doesn't CURRENTLY support prompting people to move based on Jargon. So since jargon << term adds to "see also" could Loqi not check the See Also section? Is checking the pages in a category a lot easier?
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "I definitely think the IndieWeb channel is the place for new people. In terms of the jargon, Loqi doesn't CURRENTLY support prompting people to move based on Jargon. So since jargon" or similar
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[eddie] That's fine, Loqi
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[tantek] using the category already does that since the jargon page transcludes them all
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[tantek] https://indieweb.org/Category:jargon#mw-pages
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[eddie] Correct but to use a Category means we have to have all those pages
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[eddie] Which was the beginning of this whole topic, having all these pages, some without definitions, many not about anything IndieWeb specific
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ and serious about the #IndieWeb Summit tell the team a twenty day challenge, lot of folks with deep pockets and aligned values in #pdx , and then come stop by and tell us about your future vision of the web. Prolly impossible bring @doomquasar if you have made her Mistress of War (twitter.com/_/status/1139578930350972928)
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[tantek] [eddie] if you search the #indieweb chat logs for the day those pages were created, you'll see indieweb specific usage of those terms in the logs
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[eddie] But who is going to spend the time to do that?
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[tantek] everybody 🙂
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[eddie] haha, not me, but have fun
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aaronpk nope lol
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[tantek] basically beyond asking "what is", I'm now taking it a step further and any use of jargon in the #indieweb channel related to indieweb is getting a new stub page so future Loqi can know to nudge people
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[tantek] perhaps the permalink to the chat context would help at least with someone coming by later and wanting to clean it up
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sknebel what is hydrate?
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Loqi hydrate is https://indieweb.org/hydrate
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sknebel that's not even a stub
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sknebel please start a list on a dedicated page instead of creating totally empty definitions
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sknebel and whatever future code does the nudging gets to check that list too
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[tantek] checking a random list in HTML is likely more than twice as much work as checking for the category, really don't want to burden the future code with that higher barrier
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[eddie] the "future code"? 😉
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[tantek] future Loqi
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[tantek] it's already queued up in the feature requests, an aaronpk said it was a good idea
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[tantek] more importantly, we're missing the photos from the WWDC Micro.blog meetup
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[tantek] and the Tonz blogging sessions
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sknebel not really, no, especially since the same code could be used to check the category overview page as you mentioned
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[tantek] not the same code to check a page to see if it has a category or not
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[tantek] which is the more trivial impl
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sknebel You're telling me that from your experience writing code automating things related to the wiki?
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[eddie] Micro.blog meetup was 6/3
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[eddie] I think that's why it's not showing up?
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[tantek] kevinmarks, perhaps dm rather than @-
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[kevinmarks786] I wonder if Christina Warren would come to iws - she has been to hwc and its adjacent to her job now
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[tantek] oh did it show up last week?
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sknebel if anybody not you would be making such claims you'd be shouting for evidence now
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[eddie] The page was added on the 7th
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sknebel similarly, if anybody else would leave empty definitions in the wiki you'd complain
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[tantek] there's this weird culture of @-ing people on twitter with some amount of "calling out" or "implied responsibility to respond" that I kinda dislike and I think is offputting for recruitment / outreach efforts
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sknebel if several people tell you that's not great, please consider that feedback
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[tantek] no I'd fix it
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[tantek] so please more time spent typing fixing instead of complaining
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[tantek] complaining--
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[eddie] so I think it got added after the newsletter last week but it's date is too early for this newsletter
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[tantek] doing++
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sknebel you're not even fixing your own empty defintions
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aaronpk i'm happy to delete wiki pages that have no apparent indieweb relevance and no definition
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[tantek] hydrate << https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100" to a brand new "See Also" section of /hydrate https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62417&oldid=62316
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loqi.me edited /hydrate (+287) "[tantek] added "https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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Loqi [jolvera] jamietanna[m]: first render is from the server, then it hydrates the markup with React and add all the goodies. And for navigation https://github.com/zeit/next.js/#prefetching-pages
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[tantek] prefetch << https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100" to the "See Also" section of /link_prefetching https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62418&oldid=43767
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Loqi [jolvera] jamietanna[m]: first render is from the server, then it hydrates the markup with React and add all the goodies. And for navigation https://github.com/zeit/next.js/#prefetching-pages
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[tantek] render << https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100
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Loqi ok, I added "https://chat.indieweb.org/2019-06-12#t1560346497762100" to a brand new "See Also" section of /render https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62419&oldid=62317
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[tantek] sknebel: https://indieweb.org/wikifying#Incremental_Wikifying
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@kevinmarks @film_girl I should have mentioned this earlier, but you'd be very welcome at the indieweb summit - not far by your standards these days. https://2019.indieweb.org/summit I'm sure you have some domains in your back pocket (twitter.com/_/status/1139590496274325504)
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[tantek] yeah so that's what I'm talking about
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[tantek] I'd like to see some actual stats on how many folks anyone has successfully recruited by public @- call outs / invitations vs. dms
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[kevinmarks786] Christina is a friend, she'll take it OK
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[tantek] this may have been more appropriate / inviting in the early "clubby" days of Twitter, but in today's toxic Twitter "public", I think it's far less friendly
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[tantek] whether it's "OK" is not the actual point. the point is whether it is more or less positive / successful compared to dming someone in terms of actually being sufficiently positively inviting for them to make plans and show up
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[kevinmarks786] Fair
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[kevinmarks786] (I sent that before I see the dm suggestion)
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[tantek] ah - right, Loqi Twitter search delay - good point
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[calumryan] For London folks, and anyone else around virtually, I'm looking at dates to plan a wiki improvements and education day in early October ahead of IWC Brighton. Likely at a similar cafe venue to HWC but on a Saturday morning.
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[jgmac1106] Oops Kevin I invited Christina same time in a thread with Brianna. I did call her a cross between Buffy and Ultron so I think I am fine as well. Seattle isn't far and Microsoft senior cloud dev with their tuen to open should come if she can
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[jgmac1106] Evangelist or whatever development/coach/... Advocate that is the term now
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[tantek] 🥑
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[tantek] I expanded (yes meta) and need review of https://indieweb.org/expand_a_page - tried to also re-order somewhat in terms of priority of needs for a page - comments / suggestions welcome!
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[tantek] Kevinmarks, perhaps we can brainstorm on /selfdogfooding for how to replace the existing /Main_Page uses of the term
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[tantek] [miklb] gRegorLove, related, please comment on https://indieweb.org/scratch_your_own_itch#Make_What_You_Need
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[tantek] I like the pairing of "Make what you need, use what you make"
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gRegorLove ooh. yeah
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ferz Hi
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[tantek] welcome ferz! 🙂
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gRegorLove o/
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ferz When you edit Main_Page there are two closing divs without any open div tags
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ferz https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit&section=1
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ferz How can I fix the italian version of Main Page since the title doesn't display (it's white ink on white background)?
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ferz Probably the trouble is on the wrapper.
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[kevinmarks786] There may be a class on the div to style it?
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[tantek] are you able to go back to a complete copy/paste of the default main page to fix it?
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jgmac1106[m] There you go gRegorLove four folks for a cup of coffee def. An IndieWeb meet up it makes
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ferz https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit&section=1 I've not modified this english version, but you can check the start is the same between english and italian version. https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page-it&action=edit&section=1
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@wltrd ↩️ @pfefferle Ja. Vielleicht können wir mal Indieweb-Interessierte zusammenbringen. (twitter.com/_/status/1139619705159913473)
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gRegorLove jgmac1106[m]++ awesome outreach work
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[schmarty] !tell [dmitshur],@tmiller,@mifga please add your availability and interest for a fall IWC NYC! current best dates appear to be 9/21-22, 10/5-6. https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC
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[schmarty] !tell dmitshur,tmiller,mifga please add your availability and interest for a fall IWC NYC! current best dates appear to be 9/21-22, 10/5-6. https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[schmarty] !tell jgmac1106 any word back from the New School folks or other IWC NYC venue options?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] alright let's see if I can dig up enough links and resource from [tonz]'s BarCamp blogging sessions to get a page made for that
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[tantek] (since so far we have no photos!)
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[tantek] no what am I saying we have 3 photos from HWC
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[tantek] still let's add one more from that camp
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ @dajbelshaw @kennibc @ReVIEWTalentFS I love teaching with webmentions and other #IndieWeb buildong blocks (twitter.com/_/status/1139640116354437125)
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[tantek] ok that should work
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[tantek] hmm kind of light on new pages today, so yeah I should fix those new ones
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[tantek] and did that work?
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[tantek] any other new page / definition concerns?
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[tantek] or anything else with the newsletter?
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[tantek] aaronpk, worth indienewsing https://tantek.com/2019/164/t2/kitt-speaking-indiewebsummit ?
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Happy to announce @Kitt will be speaking on “On Contractions & Expansions” @IndieWebSummit 2019! Kitt is a brilliant developer, prolific writer, photographer, and posts at https://ki.tt/ Join us in two weeks! https://2019.indieweb.org/summit
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@jackyalcine I’ll be speaking at the IndieWeb Summit about what more we can do to make the IndieWeb more approachable for more people. Be sure to grab your remote or in-person tickets at https://2019.indieweb.org/summit; it happens in about two weeks! (https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/942cb7b0-edef-4b38-b3d0-8c432f68c1b4) (twitter.com/_/status/1139647764474867712)
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jacky always wonders how fast that works
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[tonz] [tantek] added a pic of the third session on blogging at the unconference in Canada.
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[tonz] (to the wiki I mean)
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[tantek] nice!
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[tantek] sknebel++ 💧🚰
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[tantek] what is hydrate
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Loqi hydrate is web developer jargon for the process of client-side JS taking over a DOM that was generated on the server, adding it to JS components, adding event handlers, … instead of generating components only on the client or entirely replacing those sent by the server https://indieweb.org/hydrate
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[tantek] wait why is that better? and we lost all indieweb relevance in that change
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[tantek] were the specifics I provided wrong? because "components" is awfully abstract and doesn't say at all what the point is of hydration
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sknebel from my understanding, the term means this specific thing. so e.g. adding a webmention.io comment widget with js does not count, it's tied into this entire thing of JS taking over page elements generated on the server and really mostly in the context of framework liks vue/react
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sknebel so you take an app that'd "normally" generate the DOM with JS in the browser and add a server-side step to do the same generation with the initial data on the server, and then the JS gets added in
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aaronpk i guess the indieweb relevance is if someone is using a framework that does that to run their site
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sknebel which is the metaphor: the page is made on the server, "dried out" (turned into just HTML), sent to the browser and the "water" of all the JS infrastructure doing dynamic things is added back in
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sknebel maybe "page elements" or something is better than "components", which itself is heavy jargon
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sknebel yeah, the relevance thing is kind of an issue with general web dev topics - "someone uses it"
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[tantek] maybe [grantcodes]?
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[grantcodes] Yes, I believe I do use "hydration" based on the definition that is there
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@Cambridgeport90 for the life of me, I wish I could remember whether or not I set up bridgy. I think I did ... but I can't find the page. Should have received a #indieweb comment last night and I didn't. (twitter.com/_/status/1139654761387626502)
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-06-14.html https://t.co/M6qMZNZUqq (twitter.com/_/status/1139657534040498176)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/44
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/44
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[tantek] whoa that was fast
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[tantek] Loqi, self-hosted lunch or decentralized lunch?
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Loqi says decentralized lunch
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[tantek] thus spaketh the bot
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[tantek] oops I didn't mean to do that darn it. I meant to make it a pull request oops.
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[tantek] I wonder if there's a way to change that radio button default
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[tantek] could someone review after the fact? https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/commit/26683d0dc9d4dd3270de211f2e965a2af09334b5#diff-631ddab0e3c68d1c41fababa8cfad941
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/45
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sknebel looks ok
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sknebel and pr approved
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[tantek] appreciated. one of these days I will figure out this GitHub thing
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[tantek] and now for something even more fun
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aaronpk ^^ how everyone else feels about mediawiki
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[tantek] lol as if GitHub has fewer steps than Edit / Save
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aaronpk not the point
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[tantek] like for exampe, as a reviewer, do I only approve the PR? or do I approve the PR and merge it?
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[tantek] e.g. what sknebel did vs what aaronpk did, respectively, just minutes apart.
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[tantek] uh, yeah, more steps = more confusing for people in general
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aaronpk you're forgetting all the steps in mediawiki between edit and save
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aaronpk "how do i add a new section? how do I upload an image? do i need to sign this line with my name? what's the syntax for that? ~~~ or ~~~~ or ~~~~~"
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[tantek] "Preview" is pretty much the same in github/mediawiki and an optional step
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[tantek] nah that's mediawiki syntax vs markdown
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[tantek] content vs UI - very different debates
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[tantek] lol how do I upload an image. on any wiki page if you search the page for "upload" there is a link "Upload file". on github it's like wat how do I upload an image.
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aaronpk i don't think mocking people's difficulty with the wiki is helpful
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[tantek] no I'm mocking GitHub's completely undisoverability of UX in comparison
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aaronpk that's not really how it comes across
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[tantek] no but seriously, who is supposed to do the merge? the pull requester or the reviewer?
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aaronpk it literally doesn't matter
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[tantek] it does because otherwise it just sits there
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aaronpk either way is fine, and different teams have different preferences for it
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[tantek] always with the dates and times pain
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[tantek] and DRY violation 😭
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[kevinmarks786] The toc is on top of the title on the Italian main page
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[kevinmarks786] The default one hides it somehow
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[tantek] how about the other language home pages?
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[tantek] I think I broke GitHub's differ. oh well
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ This is a search for "Loqi" in the IndieWeb chatroom: https://indiechat.search.cweiske.de/?q=Loqi generates newsletters, allows reminders does a bunch of stuff: https://indieweb.org/Loqi/ some of that would be cool in a class (twitter.com/_/status/1139673049408724993)
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