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@PDX_TechEvents This Saturday is the @indiewebcamp meetup. Don't miss it: http://bit.ly/2YbKZ0K (twitter.com/_/status/1143309343640694784)
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gRegorLove [tantek], Confirmed. https://i.imgflip.com/3484ww.jpg
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aaronpk ok there are 5 people who sent an indie RSVP but have not registered for a ticket
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aaronpk trying to track down email addresses for everyone to send them a note
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aaronpk turns out looking up someone's git commit history on github is a great way to find their email address
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[tantek] aaronpk++ with that very special set of skills
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Loqi aaronpk has 53 karma in this channel over the last year (241 in all channels)
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[tantek] gregorlove++ for indieweb pass
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Loqi gregorlove has 27 karma in this channel over the last year (79 in all channels)
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GWG aaronpk: Am I safe not bringing that Chromebook this time?
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aaronpk yes
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GWG Good
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GWG More room for other stuff
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GWG I feel like I should blog my bag.
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[tantek] better than bagging your blog
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GWG I think it was [Rose] who suggested I do a...
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GWG Why is it every time I can't remember what the term the wiki uses is?
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aaronpk anyone want to add this to /events https://www.jvt.me/posts/2019/06/24/indieweb-talk-oggcamp/
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Loqi [Jamie Tanna] Talking about the IndieWeb at OggCamp 2019
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GWG That's it. Life Stack
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[tantek] what is a life stack
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Loqi using is the name of an authoring and/or publishing application, or can also be a page of tools and services that someone uses or likes to use https://indieweb.org/life-stack
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gRegorLove Sure, I'll add that
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aaronpk thx!
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gregorlove.com edited /Events (+439) "/* October */ Update OggCamp with two-day-template, link to Jamie's talk" (view diff)
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[cleverdevil] Done, thanks for the heads up [tantek] and [aaronpk]
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[cleverdevil] Can’t wait!
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@jgmac1106 @mollytempleton such a movong piece. Adding your article to my child lit class. Also noticed you are in Oregon. If around you should join ua this weekend for the #IndieWeb Summit in #pdx (twitter.com/_/status/1143337532412825601)
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[tantek] oh boy that 2019 email needs updates
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aaronpk almost done
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tantek.com edited /2019/Planning/update-email (+327) "fix a few things for venue dates & food, stub HWC PDX, add MCPG, put CoC up front" (view diff)
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[tantek] oops did I collide edits?
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aaronpk ohno
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[tantek] figured I should fix the Moz related things
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[tantek] 🙈
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aaronpk ok not bad
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aaronpk done
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aaronpk [tantek] want to review? i want to send this out in a minute
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[tantek] checking
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[tantek] mind if I copy edit a little?
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aaronpk sure
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tantek.com edited /2019/Planning/update-email (+258) "copyedit a little, about to sell out, move join chat CTA nearer the top, call out from the airport, which nights for more side events, link complete schedule" (view diff)
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aaronpk ok gonna send out the email early in the morning instead of tonight
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[tantek] I think that's a good idea, so people don't just mark it read tonight when they habitually check their phones in bed
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tantek.com edited /2019/state-of-the-indieweb (+374) "Bridgy update, re-organize some thoughts" (view diff)
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@frankmeeuwsen Extragratis abonneren op mijn nieuwe nieuwsbrief? Dat kan nu via https://nieuws.diggingthedigital.com/. Elke woensdag nieuws en tips over het open en decentrale indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/1143424297173696512)
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@frankmeeuwsen Extragratis abonneren op mijn nieuwe nieuwsbrief? Dat kan nu via http://nieuws.diggingthedigital.com/ . Elke woensdag nieuws en tips over het open en decentrale indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/1143425044611260416)
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@frankmeeuwsen Elke week nieuws en tips over het indieweb en decentrale web in je mailbox? https://diggingthedigital.com/naamloze-zine/ (twitter.com/_/status/1143428405960073216)
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@craigburgess ↩️ @JamieTanna Also, what’s the main hashtag for Homebrew Website Club? (twitter.com/_/status/1143438986767003648)
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@heinz Degrowth und IndieWeb https://wittenbrink.net/lostandfound/degrowth-und-indieweb/ https://t.co/XXHuu1GWyS (twitter.com/_/status/1143441721218482176)
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@MohrWom Will indie social media save us? The New Yorker took a look at the IndieWeb could help democratize, decentralize and diversify the internet better. #socialmedia #indie #BetterInternet #BlockchainSummit https://buff.ly/30qy7pg (twitter.com/_/status/1143446236076433408)
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[jgmac1106] the degrowth article is good
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[jgmac1106] background: https://www.degrowth.info/de/was-ist-degrowth/
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[tantek] indeed just read it myself.
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[tantek] sustainable slow organic growth was/is definitely one of the goals for the indieweb. degrowth is a fascinating concept as described and I hadn't made the connection previously
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[tantek] I suppose if the IndieWeb's sustainable slow organic growth comes at the expense of social media silo giants, then perhaps there is a net degrowth
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@jgmac1106 Yes: Happy to join friends remotely for an #IndieWeb MeetUp in Accra. Going to be talking connections to @wikipedia and having our own websites. : https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/25/yes-happy-to-join-friends-remotely-for-an-indieweb-meetup (twitter.com/_/status/1143449898366447616)
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[jgmac1106] sadike25++ for adding the Accra HWC
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@JamieTanna ↩️ @craigburgess #HomebrewWebsiteClub is the one! (twitter.com/_/status/1143451181794103296)
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@JamieTanna ↩️ @craigburgess And I believe its called out in https://indieweb.org/wikifying - I remember having to create a template {{jamietanna}} (twitter.com/_/status/1143451382164402176)
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GWG The Host of the WordPress weekly podcast got back to me about going on to talk about the Indieweb
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@craigburgess I've written up a bit of a thing about the first Homebrew Website Club in Barnsley, coming up July 19. #indieWeb https://getdoingthings.com/homebrew-website-club-barnsley-1/ (twitter.com/_/status/1143486518788526083)
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@jgmac1106 My @GetKirby UI for Different #IndieWeb Post Types https://t.co/5eKE3aTPH7 (twitter.com/_/status/1143488504351076352)
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[schmarty] Confirmed I registered for Summit in addition to my RSVP!
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GWG Yay schmarty
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Loqi 😊
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Now comes the PHP to transform the variable and then echo the property to the class of the HTML element. Might end up accidentally making an #IndieWeb cookbook by the time I am done...Want to demo at the Summit this weekend (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/8uQt8) (twitter.com/_/status/1143500040863924227)
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@jgmac1106 Hey @Cr8tveBarnsley Thanks for your help launching and organizing Homebrew Website Club with @craigburgess!! So excited when new #IndieWeb clubs launch and folks create fun spaces to hack on our own websites. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2l0Rao) (twitter.com/_/status/1143513196675948544)
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@tchambers Very interested in the various efforts at #selfsoverignidentity and how it could apply to social networks and the #indieweb. http://www.lifewithalacrity.com/2016/04/the-path-to-self-soverereign-identity.html (twitter.com/_/status/1143514396494315520)
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@adactio If you’re in town for Patterns Day, note that Homebrew Website Club Brighton will start a bit earlier this Thursday: 5pm to 6:30pm at the @Clearleft studio. cc. @AndyBellDesign @OhHelloAna https://adactio.com/notes/15388 (twitter.com/_/status/1143520638549803008)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ have from start. Remember #IndieWeb founders kicked off into high gear after the w3c social web working group and many folks also actively belong (or lurk like me ) in relevant w3c community groups. Sessions at IIW go back to 2014: … https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2019/06/25/tchambers-have-from-start-remember-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1143528201827885057)
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@adactio ↩️ @rem As well as http://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com, there’s https://indieweb.org/site-deaths and https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Deathwatch https://adactio.com/notes/15390 (twitter.com/_/status/1143547107586060290)
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@mattbrailsford I'll be attending "Homebrew Website Club Barnsley #1" on Thu, Jul 18th. Will you? #barnsley https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/homebrew-website-club-barnsley-1-tickets-19745761103?aff=eand (twitter.com/_/status/1143554398284648453)
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GWG So, who is looking forward to Summit?
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aaronpk 🙋‍♂️
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GWG aaronpk, you are an attraction unto yourself
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aaronpk 😊
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GWG See the amazing aaronpk perform his famous Build a Microsub endpoint in 40 minutes trick...
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aaronpk oh dear
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sknebel ... watch indiewebcat jump through hoops ...
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aaronpk more like jump into boxes
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sknebel :D
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[schmarty] v excited for Summit this weekend!
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[schmarty] less excited about flying home on Sunday night. nor sure how much karaoke i'll get to do. 😅
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aaronpk aw
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GWG schmarty, what time is your flight?
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[fluffy] How late will the pre-summit meetup go until? I will be arriving in Portland around 5:30 and then need to check in to my AirBnB
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[fluffy] and, did someone mention karaoke? :star-struck:
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aaronpk "officially", probably til 7:30, but people are welcome to hang out after too.
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[fluffy] and what’s this about food and drink tickets?
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aaronpk we have a sponsor for the pre-party! thanks name.com!
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GWG [schmarty]: I have an 11:59pm
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[Matthew_McVicka Good morning all! I am Matthew McVickar and I live in Portland, OR. I’m the lead organizer of Donut.js (donutjs.club) and I’m a freelance web developer and musician too. I have been aware of IndieWeb for a while but this’ll be my first event. Looking forward to it all!
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jgmac1106[m] Welcome Matthew_McVicka!!
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@cleverdevil My email inbox: "IndieWeb Summit is just around the corner!" Me: https://media.giphy.com/media/DpB9NBjny7jF1pd0yt2/giphy.gif #IndieWebSummit (twitter.com/_/status/1143571748128010240)
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aaronpk 👋 hi Matt! I still owe you a slide for tonight too!
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[schmarty] GWG: I get in around 7pm Thursday, fly away around 9:30pm Sunday
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GWG [schmarty] Okay
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GWG aaronpk, will one of the keynotes mention Wordpress Indieweb again?
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GWG I seem to recall it last year
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Terry & Cassie, it may be too late to arrange to go in person, but I suspect you'd both appreciate the @IndieWebSummit this weekend. There should be some pretty solid remote attendance options, so, if you have time, [more...] https://indieweb.org/2019#Remote_Participation https://boffosocko.com/2019/06/24/domains-power-the-commons-credit-seo-and-some-code-implications/?replytocom=267221#respond (twitter.com/_/status/1143576693501657088)
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@greeneterry ↩️ Thanks Chris, I'll check it out! Just fixing the post now to make Cassie's the canonical one! (twitter.com/_/status/1143577658913099782)
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@greeneterry ↩️ @ChrisAldrich @OpenPatchbook @CassieNooyen @IndieWebSummit https://t.co/PdigyiOezL (twitter.com/_/status/1143578059599155200)
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[tantek] [Matthew_McVickar]++ welcome and thank you for donut.js!
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[Matthew_McVicka My pleasure!!
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@namedotcom We're gearing up for #IndieWeb in Portland with a #HackTheDot on Thursday @AlchemyCodeLab. Learn more and get signed up at http://hack.social. (twitter.com/_/status/1143582145321099265)
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@johanbove Testing out https://tantek.com/falcon #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1143587162434109440)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ I think @Sadike25 posted details for the next #Homebrew Website Club Accra to the #IndieWeb wiki. Would welcome any and all to learn from this team. They amaze me, this model could spread today. Low cost, low risk and huge potential for #oer (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/6Ou8N) (twitter.com/_/status/1143587853575884800)
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@frankmeeuwsen Ingelogd bij Falcon van Indieweb Jedi Tantek. Eens zien wat dit doet. (twitter.com/_/status/1143590415636893696)
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aaronpk Loqi? y u no see my tweet
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/51CzEcQT.jpg
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by aaronpk: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/69
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2019.indieweb.org/pull/69
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2019.indieweb.org to https://2019.indieweb.org
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@JamieTanna It's #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham tomorrow - hope to see y'all there https://www.jvt.me/events/homebrew-website-club-nottingham/2019/06/26/?utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/1143595816818491393)
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@triptych IndieWeb Summit 2019 - Portland, Oregon https://2019.indieweb.org/summit (twitter.com/_/status/1143604957653811202)
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@t73fde liest: "Degrowth und IndieWeb" https://wittenbrink.net/lostandfound/degrowth-und-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/1143625055953465346)
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[tantek] only two tickets left for Summit!
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aaronpk eep
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aaronpk nobody has cancelled since I sent that email this morning either
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[fluffy] Hm, I know someone on the list who isn’t coming, I’ll ping them about it
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aaronpk oh thanks! yeah it'd be great to properly cancel the ticket if they can't make it
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[fluffy] I’m pretty sure they’re not gonna make it - they’re gonna be catsitting for me instead!
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aaronpk 😂 so either way you should really know whether they're coming
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@johanbove Thanks to following the #Indieweb chat logs available at https://chat.indieweb.org , I learned about important socio-cultural movements like #degrowth. Twitter mentions for the word and tag "indieweb" conveniently show up in the "indieweb-meta" IRC channel… https://social.johanbove.info/2019/06/25/thanks-to-following-the-indieweb-chat-logs (twitter.com/_/status/1143638163828727809)
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Johan1 These Twitter mentions are instantaneous. How does that work and how is it so fast? :-)
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aaronpk twitter streaming api :)
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Johan1 Noted the bookmark for https://www.programmableweb.com/api/twitter-streaming to check that out later.
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Johan1 thinks that programmableweb entry for Twitter Streaming can use an update. Most of the links on there don't work any more. It's the second hit in DuckDuckGo for "Twitter Streaming API"
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[fluffy] I thought Twitter discontinued that API?
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aaronpk they shut down the account streaming API, the one that shows you your home timeline streaming
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aaronpk but streaming search still works
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@kevinmarks ↩️ support is built into Mastodon and used by indieweb, https://indieweb.org/rel-me but it would fit the 'works for The Atlantic' too if you linked https://www.theatlantic.com/author/taylor-lorenz/ to your twitter and back. (twitter.com/_/status/1143644426981597186)
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[kevinmarks786] what is verify?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "verify" yet. Would you like to create it?_T (Or just say "verify is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks786] what is verification?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "verification" yet. Would you like to create it?_U (Or just say "verification is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[kevinmarks786] hm. Worth making a page for that, as we have a rel-me page
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aaronpk what is verified?
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Loqi verified refers to a content or profile that is verified to belong to a certain identity https://indieweb.org/verified
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[kevinmarks786] verify << verified
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Loqi ok, I added "[[verified]]" to the "See Also" section of /verify-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62752&oldid=38657
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[kevinmarks786] o_O
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[kevinmarks786] verified << The problem with siloed verification: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/instagram-and-twitter-should-eliminate-verification/592351/
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Loqi ok, I added "The problem with siloed verification: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/06/instagram-and-twitter-should-eliminate-verification/592351/" to the "See Also" section of /verified https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=62753&oldid=50362
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[kevinmarks786] verification is verified
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Loqi ok
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@genehack ↩️ @JmacDotOrg I keep thinking the Indieweb *really* needs an easier on-ramp for folks but I include myself in that as well, so ... (twitter.com/_/status/1143649434879709184)
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aaronpk how do we make it clear that of course we need an easier on-ramp for folks and here is how you can build it
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[fluffy] Yeah a thing that seems to discourage folks is that there’s a big pile of protocols and the wiki has a lot of very-interlinked discussion about them but it’s all very chaotic. I feel like it might be worth writing a more tutorial-oriented document.
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[fluffy] Maybe which talks about what parts are available and why you might want them, and ways of getting started either via existing software or via libraries for building your own.
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[fluffy] IndieWeb itself is a pretty nebulous pile of Stuff and most of the writing about it is from the POV of people who have already gone through the effort of building their own version.
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[kevinmarks786] Getting more built in by default is good. Maybe a big push on mf2 templates for common tools?
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gRegorLove_ what is tutorial
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "tutorial" yet. Would you like to create it?_V (Or just say "tutorial is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove_ tutorial is /Getting_Started#Tutorials
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Loqi ok
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