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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Loqi Zegnat: [tantek] left you a message 7 hours, 45 minutes ago: Can you make it to IWC Berlin2 23-24 November at Mozilla Berlin, and would you like to be a Code of Conduct contact again?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat !tell [tantek] I don't think Berlin fits in my budget, really want to aim for Brighton. Very likely to remote though.
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Zegnat Darn. Should probably have reached out to adactio to try and set that up on the indieweb tito so we would have the records for how many attendees and so on
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[tantek] Zegnat can you start by documenting that on the wiki in the section on Tito on IndieWebCamp Organizing?
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[tantek] I think I’ve asked y’all with Tito experience to do that several times at this point. Gotta externalize that kind of info if you want it shared among organizers, otherwise every organizer will just keep doing their own thing
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[tantek] Good news is that signups are a go for IWC Brighton!
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[tantek] What is IndieWebCamp Organizing
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Loqi IndieWebCamp Organizing is a great way to bring together your local IndieWeb community, yet is also quite challenging, requires co-organizers, and key details to succeed that are documented in this page https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamp_Organizing
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] [schmarty] as promised, Jeremy has setup the Tito for IWC Brighton! https://adactio.com/journal/15612 - can we get NYC Tito setup today in time for the newsletter?
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Register for Indie Web Camp Brighton 2019
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[tantek] Zegnat, other organizers, would you be able to make it to an Organizers meetup the day/afternoon before IWC Brighton? (18 October)
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[tantek] If we can get a few organizers to confirm then I’ll work with adactio to make sure we have the space
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[tantek] We’ll probably have some sort of Friday night social preparty thing too, for everyone who’s going to Brighton
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[Rose] Possibly?
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[Rose] It’s hard to say, I need to figure out flights, but usually it’s either early morning or late afternoon/evening flights.
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[calumryan] Planning to be there though weekend hotel stays in Brighton are priced highly so open to sharing a private Airbnb with some others.
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jeremycherfas I could be up for a room in an entire Airbnb
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Zegnat [calumryan], jeremycherfas, I know sknebel was also looking for possibilities to share something already. Maybe we need to put some resources together?
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[Rose] I booked a private room at the YHA in Brighton.
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Zegnat I will hopefully know Monday/Tuesday whether my leave from work has been granted, and will plan then. Currently planning on travelling Friday and Monday, but do not know yet
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Zegnat [tantek]: my problem is that ti.to experience means next to nothing as almost every event has been organised differently. Which is why I asked before if some of us together should build an event from the grounds up for the next upcoming IWC. Then we can make an actual guide.
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Zegnat But I will add a note about trying to centralise on the indieweb account
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[tantek] Thank you. Every incremental note like that helps
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[tantek] Plus no matter how different, point is to capture the best practices so at least those are replicated
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[tantek] Zegnat maybe work with [jgmac1106] to do that and document while doing it for IWC NYC
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Zegnat I am just not sure anyone has agreed on the best practices. Became pretty clear that it was a convoluted mess during a call aaronpk, sknebel, and I had :P
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Zegnat Yes, happy to set aside some tito admin time for that! Would prefer if we can also sync up with aaronpk who has many thoughts on organising
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[tantek] Add your opinion on best practices then and sign your name indicating it’s “just” your opinion
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[tantek] Gotta start somewhere
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Zegnat !tell [jgmac1106],aaronpk Can we try and schedule some time to setup tito for IWC NYC from scratch so we can document the indieweb-prefered method?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[tantek] Rose, I’ll get to Brighton by mid morning Friday at the latest. Will try for Thursday though
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[Rose] I was planning to work Friday morning.
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[Rose] I don’t have a lot of leave left.
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[tantek] Lunch Friday 2019-10-18 in Brighton on me :)
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jgmac1106 zegnat will work onit now…but the preferred method is to dupliczte an existing event, can do from scratch
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Zegnat The problem there is deciding which one you want to duplicate
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[jgmac1106] okay I will start fresh
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Zegnat Do you need activities limited to registration cap, or tickets with registration cap. And aaronpk showed me how to do checkin lists for security at all, but I have already forgotten if that was dependent on any of those choices
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[jgmac1106] I would copy the summit and take away but will see what doing from scratch is like
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Zegnat One of the reasons I like from scratch is that we can actually document it and reproduce even incase Tito gets wiped of all old content or whatever. Contingency plan.
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[tantek] Or copy from previous IWC NYC, fix the things we captured in the Learnings, and add anything that makes sense from Summit
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Zegnat If your only method of creating something is by starting off duplicating something else, you can get into trouble
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[tantek] True
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[tantek] Scratch + documenting is also much more helpful to everyone else wanting to setup Tito the right way
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Zegnat That is my thinking. And I know from our previous call on the matter that aaronpk sits on a wealth of knowledge, so would love to get him onboard too.
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[jgmac1106] first question, I make new event. I can choose two accounts->IndieWeb or IndieWebCamp..have no idea if there is a difference
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[jgmac1106] Choosing IndieWeb..don't know difference
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Zegnat Accounts?
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[jgmac1106] Yep log in->make new event->choose account->we have two
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Zegnat Not me. I only have indiewebcamp
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Zegnat Make new event -> enter name -> your event was created!
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[jgmac1106] weird I have two. Okay I will choose indiewebcamp
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Zegnat [jgmac1106]: can you go to https://ti.to/indieweb/admin/events/past ? What events are listed there? I wonder if there is a second indieweb team
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Zegnat https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/admin/events/past (note: indiewebcamp, not indieweb) lists the Summits, so that seems to be the right account
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[jgmac1106] yeah weill investigate, let me finish the walkthrough first
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Zegnat Gotch
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Zegnat Gotcha
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[jgmac1106] looks like it was my mistake once, only event there is an unused NYC tix
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[jgmac1106] I must have made account last year by accident
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Zegnat Thanks for double checking!
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[jgmac1106] do we use local currency or US only?
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[jgmac1106] ugg go to make my first ticket and I get:
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[jgmac1106] "The change you wanted was rejected. Maybe you tried to change something you didn't have access to."
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Zegnat … on a new event? How can you not have access to something on a new event?
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Zegnat Re: local currency. AFAIK no event outside of the US has ever charged anything, so USD is the only currency we have ever used
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jgmac1106 here is where I go to: as soon as I finish adding a ticket I get a warning message: http://jgregorymcverry.com/titoguide.html
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] Tito Tutorial
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jgmac1106 I wonder if same thing happens if I chose the other account
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Zegnat I am guessing you may be the sole administrator of the other account, in which case you should be allowed to do whatever you want :P But give it a go
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jgmac1106 yeah but I should wait till aaronpk is around to add me to the indiewebcamp team and not the indieweb team so all the tix are together
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jgmac1106 only thing I can think of
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jgmac1106 I am an admin of the team,. weird
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jgmac1106 when I try to contact the helo desk with “talk to us” link it goes nowehere
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jgmac1106 worked the second time, kust have just been a glitch
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jgmac1106 zegnat got to here but have a work meeting in five minutes will return after: http://jgregorymcverry.com/titoguide.html
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] Tito Tutorial
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jgmac1106 I will probably end up using more lists and adding headings for each major step or UI screen change, my website as weird stylign for lists but the wiki won’t
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Zegnat I am about to get off work so will have more time to look into it in an hour or so
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jgmac1106 we should have banner images availabel on /logo to use on ti.to that are set to the correct dimensions
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Loqi +1
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jgmac1106 “Banner image should be a JPEG, GIF or PNG, 900×265px (@1x) or 1800×530px (@2x) “ so we should make a banner available in that size. Anyone around to make a version from the files on /logo?
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[jgmac1106] [Will_Monroe] I had people from #digped who wanted to join our Monday meetups but they are all west coasters. Can you meet at 1 EDT ? Once semester begins we will probably have to juggle everyone's class scheduels and vote again
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sknebel Zegnat: know if you can take of vhwc monday after next yet? (^^^ newsletter)
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[jgmac1106] oooh good point will I would like to get the new time in the newsletter as well, will switch to one if I do not hear back
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jgmac1106 getting img from here for now: https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/summit-2019 last year I made a skyline banner but no one ever sees the ti.to page
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jgmac1106 “Full Lockup (logomark and logotype)” Is too jargony for a header. i do not know what that a lockup is
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jgmac1106 ti.to tix for NYC now live. zegnat please feel free to check out draft of ti.to tutorial: http://jgregorymcverry.com/titoguide.html and I can port all to the wiki page
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Loqi [J. Gregory McVerry] Tito Tutorial
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jgmac1106 the 2019.indieweb.org/NYC/ page is not live yet will try for newsletter deadline as well. gwg, schmarty if either of you have time please feel free to take a crack at the task
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[Will_Monroe] [jgmac1106] re meeting at 1pm EDT on Mondays, on most days, I probably could. I'll plan on doing so.
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jgmac1106 cool and like I said we will have to vote on a new date and probably bi-weekly once semesters start
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[Will_Monroe] [jgmac1106] do you have meeting information posted somewhere?
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jgmac1106 going to add the event so it makes the newsletter
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[Will_Monroe] [jgmac1106] I'll look for that entry in the newsletter (which I already subscribe to).
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[schmarty] jgmac1106++ will try to get 2019.indieweb.org/NYC going.
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: have you dropped the IWCNYC ti.to link anywhere? i don't see it in backscroll here
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Zegnat sknebel, ah, yeah, I should be home in time on Monday to host HWC! Thanks for the reminder. Should put that on the wiki.
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Zegnat [schmarty], I think he didn’t share the actual link yet so we can have a look at the setup in Tito first?
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[tantek] [schmarty] lower case /nyc please 🙂
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[tantek] kevinmarks++ for holding down the fort in Teesside
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[tantek] !tell kevinmarks are you going to be able to make it to IWC Brighton? And maybe the Friday before for lunch / Organizers Meetup?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat I think that should do it
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Zegnat Internet so slow, it took seconds to save a wiki page :(
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Zegnat sknebel++ for the reminder, it is in!
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[jgmac1106] !tell schmarty https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/indiewebcamp-nyc-2019
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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tantek.com edited /2019/Amsterdam (+366) "update participating from how we did it in Berlin" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2019/Amsterdam/Project_Goals (+1395) "clone from Berlin" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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[tantek] no other indienews this week huh?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2019-08-09.html
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[tantek] posted too late for the newsletter / indienews but there you have it: https://tantek.com/2019/221/t1/four-indiewebcamps-open-sign-ups
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] IndieWebCamps open for sign-ups! ❌ Amsterdam 9/28-29 before #ViewSource https://indieweb.org/2019/Amsterdam 🏫 Oxford 9/28 https://indieweb.org/2019/Oxford 🗽 NYC 10/5-6 https://indieweb.org/2019/NYC 🎪 Brighton 10/19-20 before #MozFest https...
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[tantek] !rt https://twitter.com/t/status/1159946247504949249
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/t/status/1159946247504949249
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Loqi Thanks aaronpk and [tantek]! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1159947778950254592
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Loqi aaronpk: jgmac1106 left you a message 1 day, 4 hours ago: another reason to upload each video to archive.org rathe than editing a single item is you do not get publication dates for files that were added after editing
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Loqi aaronpk: Zegnat left you a message 10 hours, 46 minutes ago: Can we try and schedule some time to setup tito for IWC NYC from scratch so we can document the indieweb-prefered method?
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[tantek] now to find that NYC tito link...
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[tantek] uh [jgmac1106] [schmarty] https://ti.to/indiewebcamp/indiewebcamp-nyc-2019 says "This event is not live. / Check back soon!"
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[tantek] can someone flip that switch? I'm assuming someone just forgot
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aaronpk is it actually ready to go?
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[tantek] supposedly it was per today's chat logs
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aaronpk um do we need to collect sales tax in NYC?
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[tantek] any way for you to look at it to see if it looks ready?
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[tantek] is NYC charging?
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aaronpk they have it set up for that yeah
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[tantek] did they charge last year?
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aaronpk no
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[tantek] huh I wonder why that changed
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[tantek] !tell [jgmac1106] [schmarty] any reason why IWC NYC 2019 is charging while IWC NYC 2018 did not?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk I made the event live but turned off the tickets for now
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aaronpk so you can see the event page now at least
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tantek.com edited /2019/NYC (+9) "move participating before RSVP, since folks should read CoC before rsvping, add tito link" (view diff)
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[tantek] other bug - it says "Friday Location"
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aaronpk is it at two different places?
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aaronpk also this is weird... "Join us for the 7th gathering..."
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aaronpk is it the 7th in NYC?
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aaronpk this is set up with a max of 30 regular tickets and max 30 indie RSVPs
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aaronpk that means there are 60 total
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aaronpk is that correct?
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aaronpk also, we talked about not distinguishing between indie RSVP tickets and paid tickets anymore, I know we're going to do that for Summit next year, but do we want to do that here too?
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[tantek] for Summit we decided to charge everyone with a normal ticket
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[tantek] and only have the option to do a no-charge ticket if you self-identify as being economically disadvantaged the same way that Donut.js does it
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[tantek] aaronpk, yes per /2019/NYC they had to get different spaces for Saturday and Sunday
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[tantek] 7th in NYC yes
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[tantek] but that wording could be improved
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aaronpk I added both as actual locations in tito so there are two pins on the map now
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[tantek] yes "7th gathering" should likely be "7th gathering in New York City"
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[tantek] I see the two pins! nice that they are close to each other
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aaronpk so my thinking is if we're going to move to the new model for charging, we shouldn't use the old model anymore in other cities
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[tantek] right - it still has all the same problems we identified
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[tantek] also I don't remember any discussion about charging in NYC so that sounds like a mistake
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[tantek] and sigh, "Guest Book" copy pasta, at least that I can fix
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tantek.com edited /2019/NYC (+833) "s/Guest Book/Project Goals as discussed last year, update Participating section per other recent camps" (view diff)
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