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@AriaSalvatrice ↩️ the big problem with every damn initiative to revitalize the human web is that there's always a san fran guy to call it the IndieWeb App Dojo and demands every site uses Bootstrap and supports some pronouns microformat and the color purple is not allowed (twitter.com/_/status/1237530215313637376)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ The indieweb is all about having your own site with what you want on it. If you want to define your own clique you're free to do that. If you want to interoperate with others we have a set of protocols to make that easier, but they're all voluntary. (twitter.com/_/status/1237537669690748928)
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[yo] smh
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[yo] I felt compelled to reply lol
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[yo] I really don’t like bad ishtposts
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[yo] like _do_ better
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aaronpk yea that almost looked like a markov chain
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@jackyalcine ↩️ How did you figure that about the IndieWeb group though? There's high school teachers, poets, designers and people who never had a website until they met up and some of us helped them out. (twitter.com/_/status/1237544772941705217)
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Like I understand being frustrated about stuff w.r.t the tech (I'm the resident wailer for people to actually use HTML, lol) but the IndieWeb isn't your run-of-the-mill group. They'll meet you where you are. (twitter.com/_/status/1237544959990849544)
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[Michael_Beckwit ah people of the internet
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jacky I just want people to be happy with either making their own site or making things on the Web
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aaronpk Why can't we all just be friends
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gRegorLove Aria's site (from that tweet) is pretty rad
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[yo] Right!
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@salesation @wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" https://buff.ly/2pTyo6E #startup (twitter.com/_/status/1237624556170416128)
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jacky tell me more!
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jacky lol
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@zeldman Happy birthday to @t! Rock climber, yoga teacher, oldest gent in da club, and undersung hero of web standards! #microformats #indieweb #openweb #ie5mac #tasman #favelets #IndieWebCamp #BarCamp #css #BoxModelHack #AListApartCSSLayout2000 #AndSoMuchMore (twitter.com/_/status/1237737235707056130)
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[LewisCowles] Happy Birthday [tantek]
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[Michael_Beckwit happy birthday to our indie unicorn [tantek]
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[Ana_Rodrigues] awww happy birthday! 🎉
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aaronpk Happy birthday! 🎉
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@edgemeshinc @wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" http://j.mp/3a6Z59A #startup (twitter.com/_/status/1237786372171333632)
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[tantek] jacky++ great replies to that tweet. Sounded like they were emoting more than being serious, and the kindness you showed is the best. So grateful you are here friend
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Loqi jacky has 21 karma in this channel over the last year (73 in all channels)
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[tantek] pikseladam++ welcome to the wiki! Are you here on chat yet? 😄
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Loqi pikseladam has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] (and thank you everyone for the birthday wishes) appreciate it!!! ❤
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GWG [tantek]: Your birth changed my life over the last 6 years. As you were the first Indieweb person I met in person
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GWG Also, there might not be an Indiewebcamp...it might have evolved differently
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[tantek] GWG, it's been an honor working with you to grow IndieWebCamp in all the ways
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GWG I could use the positivity, thank you.
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GWG This health situation is stressing to everyone
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[KevinMarks] I am probbaly reading far too much virus stuff
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jacky it is
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GWG jacky: In my industry though...they drafted me back from training to operations to help out.
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[jeremycherfas] Well said gwg, re happies to tantek.
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[chrisaldrich] Happy Birthday [tantek]!
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jacky happy belated [tantek]!
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jacky (or is it today? lol)
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[tantek] yes today! thank you [chrisaldrich] & jacky 🙂
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] best top level update for virus stuff is Wikipedia. Very plain & boring textual numbers and stuff. Avoid any audio/video and even inflammatory text updates as they trigger fear/anxiety more than inform
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[tantek] I've been watching the table of countries in the right column here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic
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[tantek] And then clicking on individual countries for more details (something that HWC and IWC organizers should do to monitor the situations in their countries / counties / cities).
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[tantek] (see how I brought that back on topic? 😄 )
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[KevinMarks] There's also https://coronavirustechhandbook.com/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] based on what authority? TBH I'm kinda done following rando CV links without some obvious / trustworthy citation of authority
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[tantek] "crowdsourced" has me suspicious on multiple levels, especially given the "agent provocateur" actions happening e.g. with infil of progressive movements / candidate support groups
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[tantek] If there's one thing I'm learning from the whole CV phenomenon, it is just how much governments, authorities are so bad at this. From denial, to lying, to neglect, to incompetence, etc.
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[tantek] Literally every government of every country has gone through these phases from the start to uncontrolled spread
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[KevinMarks] This is the Newspeak House people, who I have a fair degree of trust in for civic stuff.
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[tantek] And news media is focused on hyping stuff for clicks/reads/views
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[tantek] Hence why I pointed you & others to the raw boring Wikipedia articles
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1237492620588470272?s=20
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@JavierBlas ‘Yes Minister’ has a perfect summary of most Western countries response to the coronavirus outbreak 😷 https://twitter.com/GenevieveRobert/status/1237382441834291200/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1237492620588470272)
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[tantek] The second big lesson I'm seeing here is a very obvious documentation of how good/poor is every country's default healthcare system/support for people
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[tantek] The third big lesson I'm seeing is how different cultural defaults (physical / less physical, strict/disciplined vs easy going) is greatly amplified in terms of contagion numbers
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[tantek] cultural defaults / culture map - actual studied thing per https://www.erinmeyer.com/tools/culture-map-premium/
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sknebel This is starting to drift towards #chat again :)
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[tantek] The fourth big lesson is how much individuals, homes, and local communities can affect their own outcomes by taking preventative steps at the first signs of "trouble" for anything biological. Speaks to a highly distributed model of decision-making being better for the group (more self-interest in accurate information) than anything centralized
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[tantek] ^^^ just in time sknebel 😂
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@ChrisAldrich Can't make it to #IndieWebCamp London this weekend? Why not try attending remotely?! There's usually pretty good streaming video and online chat options. Details for what to expect & how to set up for participation: https://indieweb.org/IndieWebCamps/Attending https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/11/55769061/ (twitter.com/_/status/1237811832938614784)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Maybe the #EdTech, #OpenPedagogy, & #DoOO crowds could use the opportunity to brainstorm remote class attendance and owning their own teaching/pedagogy/content on their websites? #IndieWebCamp https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/11/55769061/#Maybe (twitter.com/_/status/1237811834276605952)
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[tantek] hmm, experience has shown 10minute breaks make things go much more smoothly. FYI
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[tantek] we (re)learned this lesson at IWC Austin FWIW
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gRegorLove ^ I changed "hack sessions" to "project sessions" to match Project Day
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[tantek] woohoo!
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Loqi :D
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[tantek] gRegorLove++
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Loqi gRegorLove has 35 karma in this channel over the last year (72 in all channels)
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gRegorLove Though now I wonder if we need that schedule table on the main page. Austin just linked to the more detailed Schedule sub-page
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[tantek] I like having the wiki page have at least as much detail as the 2020.indieweb page
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gRegorLove We have the 2020.indieweb.org schedule table and the detailed schedule page, do we need one more? :)
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[tantek] the main wiki page for each IWC that is
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[tantek] it's not a matter of needing one more, it's a matter of "don't make me hunt for this"
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gRegorLove fair
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[tantek] if you land on the wiki page you shouldn't have to hunt for a summary schedule
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[tantek] FYI for IWC London folks, this is the kind of Wikipedia info I was talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom#Statistics
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[tantek] See the "London" column
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[yo] I like that campaign!
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@depone Homebrew Website Club Karlsruhe 11.03.2020 https://danielehniss.de/2020/03/11/homebrew-website-club-karlsruhe-11-03-2020/ #HWC #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1237839580021186574)
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@jogbert ↩️ @ianvisits https://indieweb.org/Universal_Greeting_Time (twitter.com/_/status/1237843478580584456)
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aaronpk 😮
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Hi everyone - unfortunately we had to make a difficult decision this evening.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] We have decided that *IndieWebCamp London is going to be remote participation only.*
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[Ana_Rodrigues] The attendees should have received an email with information. Please reach out to us and we’ll do our best to help out regarding scheduled travel. Our top priority is everyone’s safety.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] But please, join us remotely. We understand that it isn’t the same experience but we’re very keen to welcome everyone and to make the best of the situation.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] We’re really sorry about this.
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[Ana_Rodrigues] We’re already talking about organising an in-person IndieWebCamp London later this year.
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jamietanna[m] It's unfortunate, but it's also some pretty extenuating circumstances. Thanks for making a tough decision that keeps people safer. Fortunately IWC is built to be remote friendly so it should still be a great event!
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jamietanna[m] Also, happy birthday Tantek!
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[tantek] Thanks jamietanna[m]!
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GWG How will the IWC London remote work? I didn't register
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[Ana_Rodrigues] We’re updating https://indieweb.org/2020/London#Remote_Participation as we speak and will also update during the day. We’ll link to the available rooms based on the schedule.
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by calumryan: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/32
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by kevinmarks: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/32
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@cheukting_ho @indiewebcamp London will be 100% online due to #COVID19 What's better than staying in your bed, sipping #HotChocolate but still learn about how to make a cool #IndieWeb and connect with others? Check out how: https://indieweb.org/2020/London#Remote_Participation (twitter.com/_/status/1237869146450231297)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ I'd advise against anything with X's in as http://www.yesandyesyes.com/ found out. I'm down for this this weekend interleaved with the now online-only #indiewebcamp London https://2020.indieweb.org/london (twitter.com/_/status/1237870782769848320)
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@ohhelloana This was a difficult decision to make but @indiewebcamp London is going to be remote participation only. And we'll make the absolute best of it ❤️ Join us this weekend and work on your website with us! https://indieweb.org/2020/London#Remote_Participation (twitter.com/_/status/1237870856090439683)
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by calumryan: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/33
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/33
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by calumryan: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/34
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@JamieTanna #IndieWeb folks who still interact with Twitter - how do you consume it? Do you use https://Twitter.com and share it to your ie Micropub client? Do you subscribe to it with your Microsub / Social Reader? Or something else? (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/03/wwsya/) (twitter.com/_/status/1237875594810937344)
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by kevinmarks: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/34
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@marcusramberg Just set up Miniflux for RSS sync. Figure it’s better to handle it locally than with Feedly. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1237881579696840705)
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[tantek] FYI for folks organizing HWC, here is a list of things I got from Daybreaker:
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[tantek] Please stay home if any of these:
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[tantek] • You are at high risk for COV (master citizens age 60+ or people with relevant pre-existing conditions) OR live and work with someone at high risk.
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[tantek] • Anyone in your immediate community suspects they have COV.
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[tantek] • You’ve traveled to a high risk country in the last 2 weeks. 
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[tantek] • You’re feeling under the weather, experiencing flu-like symptoms, are immunocompromised or are in close contact with anyone who is.
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[tantek] These seem very reasonable
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