#meta 2020-03-15

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jacky [chrisaldrich]: thank you for reminding me to consider doing this
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GWG I'm thinking about that 24 hour a day Homebrew Website Club right now
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jacky did that pass?
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jacky I came in briefly
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GWG jacky: I'm just pondering social distancing.
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jacky ahh yeah
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GWG I was in a hotel room for 61 days and I came back to this. Wouldn't mind some online socialing
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[chrisaldrich] Where here for you GWG
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[chrisaldrich] says before sitting down to dinner. 🤣
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[jgmac1106] chrisaldrich you lose me at the table, check your phone
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] the dinner table, or on that chart? don't see anything via phone...
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boffosocko.com created /Quick_Start (+4445) "stub, support chart" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] ^^ another chart for helping to get people started quickly. Feedback, changes, welcome.
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[chrisaldrich] !tell [manton] mblaney sonicrocketman: please take a look at the https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start page and make any suggestions/corrections as necessary
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] If anyone has a better page name or redirects, those may be helpful. I've left it kind of floating in the wiki until we can settle on a name for it and anchor it into some of the other pages as necessary/helpful.
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, was the coining of POSSE influenced at all by the POSSE FOUNDATION? https://www.happycog.com/work/posse-foundation/ 🙂
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@ChrisAldrich As part of my project list for IndieWebCamp London 2020 (participating remotely), I started a Colophon page for my website, primarily to enumerate some of the plugins and tools I use to publish to my website. (https://boffosocko.com/?p=55769256) (twitter.com/_/status/1239049403450691584)
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Loqi gRegorLove has 36 karma in this channel over the last year (73 in all channels)
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[chrisaldrich] I just went to the London page to archive the etherpads. Turns out someone beat me to it! gRegorLove++
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aaronpk Are demos happening Sunday in London?
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aaronpk I suppose I will wake up and find out
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[KevinMarks] They are
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[jeremycherfas] There was some talk about jmac’s Bise yesterday. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now and I would be happy to give a quick run-through during demo time. But I do not want to take time from anyone who is actually working on a project today. I’ll be spending my day polishing tomorrow’s podcast, not working on a project, but I will be finished by demo time. I’d better be.
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by calumryan: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/36
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@jedschmidt paying for things in japan these days, a throwback to openid’s nascar problem: https://indieweb.org/NASCAR_problem https://t.co/mngqnwDEjI (twitter.com/_/status/1239125609856581633)
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@cheukting_ho ↩️ Doesn't mean that we are not going to social though, online events like @indiewebcamp London today and remote @py_sprints on 23rd, watch (coding) party at @Twitch #ComingSoon, online games. I just join @Steam , let me know if you wanna play games with me :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1239134268074471425)
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I meant the css table is not responsive, find the notes on the three column redeisgn for the home page
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[jgmac1106] I wanted to build a walkthrough website kinda like this: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1vUCtNPAr6yMvPXdquRnOC7okHJWf7pOb54PUXdssBQI/edit?usp=sharing
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Michael, you won't find anyone more #indieweb than me, but 'easily self-hosted on digital ocean' and 'journalling for a group' are not things that belong together. (twitter.com/_/status/1239169421253451776)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Carly, if you want to chat about self-hosting options, http://chat.indieweb.org is there for you, and indiewebcamp London is on today if you want a live chat full of helpful people https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/indiewebcamp-london-online--EPL3anhWs2Wz (twitter.com/_/status/1239170235074306048)
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sebsel Is it a known issue that messages on Slack by Cheuk are not visible on IRC?
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sebsel Conversation in #dev misses messages
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sebsel I can imagine the / is a problem.
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[jeremycherfas] I think there is also a problem when Replies to a thread are not also sent to the channel. But I could be wrong.
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[jgmac1106] yes we have to encourage people not to thread in Slack
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jmac Oh dear, I didn't know that
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[jgmac1106] or encourage them to always send to main channel
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[jeremycherfas] I’m in another one where *nobody* sends to the channel, and I’ve got used to it, but I don’t like it and so I try to model the behaviour I do like.
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jmac I am fine with different Slacks having different cultures regarding threading; I was cranky about it for a while too but clearly a lot of folks like the idea of having (essentially) ad-hoc sub-channels
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jmac But it's different in this case if the intent is a platform-neutral chat, of course
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sebsel there is also just a bug that could be fixed :)
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aaronpk I thought messages iin a thread did get sent to IRC still, they just obvs don't show up threaded in IRC
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[jeremycherfas] I’m getting over my crankiness too, and trying to be like water.
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sebsel yea but her messages weren't thread replies.
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sebsel it's just that her username contains an underscore, a slash and a space.
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sebsel I think IRC does not like that
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sebsel the messages aren't in the logs either, but they are on slack.
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sebsel And you see people on Slack replying to her.
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sebsel but yea don't want to impose a debug session on Aaron
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[KevinMarks] The replies go through to the web logs
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aaronpk I see messages from her in IRC. Is it just the threaded ones that are missing?
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aaronpk wait, maybe I don't, now I can't find them
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sebsel https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-03-15#t1584276365023900 after this one, there is a message from her in the Slack history
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sebsel and it's not in the logs
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Loqi [[jgmac1106]] [Cheuk_/ Cherrie] [LewisCowles] I may one day try to install Morris, but I am also thinking about trying to use gSheets to store webmentions using webmention.io (went to dev from main)
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sebsel and I think it's been going on for a while now, because I keep missing when things begin in London :P
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aaronpk Okay yeah it's nothing to do with threads
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aaronpk I think it's the slash
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aaronpk I think when slack changed how usernames work they also changed it to allow new characters in usernames, so before I had an easy mapping to IRC name but now it's gonna be trickier
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sebsel yea they killed the IRC bridge so they could do all these things (threads, weird usernames)
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sebsel but that makes this bridge harder
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aaronpk When I fix this I should also fix the problem with too long slack names
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@kevinmarks #indieweb @ohhelloana: I've been converting my site from jekyll to eleventy - I have the posts but not styling yet. I originally converted from wordpress to jekyll, and now there are leftovers from both conversions (twitter.com/_/status/1239221295096696832)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @cheukting_ho: I added webmentions to my site - you can see them at the bottom of https://cheuk.dev/2020/03/15/indie-webmention/ (twitter.com/_/status/1239221749612531718)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @JamieTanna: I added @aaronpk's script to show balloons on my birthday - which meant adding my birthday to my microformats (twitter.com/_/status/1239222079473451008)
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@hawx Sad that I missed https://2020.indieweb.org/london, but wasn't going to waste the hotel I'd booked. To make up for it I have managed to get posting photos to Twitter, as this hopefully proves... (twitter.com/_/status/1239222176055730184)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @JamieTanna: I am adding a public endpoint for the top hits on my site for a given day, after the analytics conversation (twitter.com/_/status/1239222208775495680)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Dan Q: I did manage to get bits of post kinds to fit in with gutenburg - I have a citation block that has microfomats in (twitter.com/_/status/1239222663027011584)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: I was inspired by the Own your RSVPs session - I used Jamies code to convert meetup events into h-feeds (twitter.com/_/status/1239223095606554624)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: I put these into my social reader in aperture (twitter.com/_/status/1239223147842371585)
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[jgmac1106] notrlive++
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Loqi notrlive has 1 karma over the last year
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: I then can post RSVPs to my own site, and then can use http://brid.gy to send it to the external service too (twitter.com/_/status/1239223691621339138)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: I have wordpress set up so that when I create an RSVP post it can be syndicated to http://brid.gy as well, so I've sent a pull request to Syndication Links for this (twitter.com/_/status/1239224110116413441)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: by doing this https://doubleloop.net/kinds/rsvp has a list of all the places I have RSVP'd to, which you could follow to discover events (twitter.com/_/status/1239224302177845249)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: next I want to addd an iCal feed for all my events (twitter.com/_/status/1239224387238334465)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Neil Mather: it was very easy to add new things based on the building blocks and how @dshanske has structured the WP plugins (twitter.com/_/status/1239225083513786375)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @cheukting_ho: could I syndicate using Travis as well? (twitter.com/_/status/1239225192653692928)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @barryf: I've been updating http://microublish.net - my micropub client. I made it give clearer explanations about what went wrong looking for endpoints (twitter.com/_/status/1239226210418405382)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @barryf: there are now much clarifying error message fro people trying to set it up - missing scope or me parameters, or error messages (twitter.com/_/status/1239226628615680001)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @jgmac1106: I added subgrids to my cards, which only works in Firefox for now, but all my cards are now the same height (twitter.com/_/status/1239227107970027520)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @jgmac1106: I added webmention support and display to my static site using fluffy's webmention.js (twitter.com/_/status/1239227348064632835)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @jgmac1106: I added a feed of torrents of all my videos as I'm using a lot of bandwidth now schools have been sent home (twitter.com/_/status/1239227631851261954)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @calum_ryan: I've been looking at Kirby as an alternative to my handcrafted CMS, so I converted my posts into flat files to put into Kirby (twitter.com/_/status/1239228153354227715)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @calum_ryan: a lot of the problems have been with character encoding and getting the emojis through. I was looking at a static site generator before (twitter.com/_/status/1239228352692617216)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @calum_ryan: I started building a weather plugin for Kirby to add that to posts (twitter.com/_/status/1239228444359249920)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @CarolSaysThings: I refactored my RSVPs - I used to have to add them manually; now I list them in a json file and loop though to add them to the page (twitter.com/_/status/1239228641734799366)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @CarolSaysThings: that should make it easier to get micropub set up on my site (twitter.com/_/status/1239228716158464002)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @SuzeShardlow: my website is served through github pages based on jekyll and liquid - I thought I should use more indeweb principles, and it was like getting a new bookcase and then hoovering the whole hous (twitter.com/_/status/1239229087182475271)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @SuzeShardlow: so I ended up changing my layouts to make them more DRY and use includes more; now I want to implement webmentions instead of discus (twitter.com/_/status/1239229274936283136)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @SuzeShardlow: I also set up weblogin and managed to log into indieweb wiki - I need to change my canonical url to http://suze.dev from http://suzeshardlow.com (twitter.com/_/status/1239229545456308226)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @SuzeShardlow: I also added myself to the chat list on the wiki. I have staked the claim with rel=me on my site, and next is an h-card (twitter.com/_/status/1239229729636593671)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @SuzeShardlow: I found a lot more motivation to do this today with having other people doing ti too, and thank you to @ohhelloana, @cheukting_ho and @calum_ryan for organising this very well (twitter.com/_/status/1239230069517803520)
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[jgmac1106] !rt https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1239230069517803520
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Lewis Coles: I have managed to get publishing from git to heroku now and started to look at sending webmentions from github, circleCI ran a script to send a post (twitter.com/_/status/1239230426306285571)
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[calumryan] !rt https://twitter.com/kevinmarks/status/1239230069517803520
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Loqi Thanks [calumryan] and [jgmac1106]! https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/1239230619231510534
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @ChrisAldrich: I made a new grid for people to compare blogging platforms and solutions at https://indieweb.org/Quick_Start (twitter.com/_/status/1239231277754208260)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @ChrisAldrich: I also added a colophon to my website to show how it has been built as people ask me that a lot (twitter.com/_/status/1239231390060863489)
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: reminder to mute when you're not speaking
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aaronpk and [jgmac1106] too
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[chrisaldrich] kevinmarks: Demoing /Noter_Live
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb @kevinmarks: demoing noterlive to indiewebcamp london (twitter.com/_/status/1239231968006594560)
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[jgmac1106] thx Aaron
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb Sebastiaan Andeweg: I have been building an iOS app that will post to micropub - I now need to do indieauth and get a token too (twitter.com/_/status/1239234029196541952)
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@ChrisAldrich One of my favorite parts of IndieWebCamp is the infectious looks of happiness, joy, and glee people have when demoing what they’ve done on their own websites. A special thanks to everyone big and small who participated in the London camp this weekend. (https://boffosocko.com/?p=55769259) (twitter.com/_/status/1239241119130628096)
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[jgmac1106] [aaronpk] do we approve webmentions if there is something wrong with duplicate images?
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[jgmac1106] for events in meetable
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aaronpk oh crap i need to fix that still don't i
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aaronpk good, i was looking for a project this morning :)
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[jgmac1106] ...I am sure you are never at loss of projects
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@kevinmarks My live notes from #IndiewebCamp London (Online) today and yesterday http://www.kevinmarks.com/indiewebcamplondon2020.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1239242377556099072)
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GWG [jgmac1106] So... when do we start HWC?
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[jgmac1106] Wed
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[jgmac1106] I have Navrongo on Tuesday, but I do not know how well remote will work, team asked to use hangouts so will try Google Meet...they should have just stuck with hangouts
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[chrisaldrich] Wednesday could work.
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[chrisaldrich] After that do we start with ET or PT and then alternate from there?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I am fine with alternating
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GWG Wonder if we want to go weekly for the duration
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GWG Being optipessimistic
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[dem_cx] I hope this is the right chat for questions on the wiki processes.
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[dem_cx] Where is a policy for deprecating something on the wiki?
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[dem_cx] Can't find any clue both on https://indieweb.org/expand_a_page and on https://indieweb.org/wikifying .
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[dem_cx] E.g. https://indieweb.org/POSSE#Services says Bridgy supports Facebook. Meanwhile Bridgy says "R.I.P.": https://brid.gy/about#rip-facebook .
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sknebel if the wiki is wrong, just edit it
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[jgmac1106] I am okay with weekly. Human contact during social isolation is self care
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aaronpk okay figured it out, that was silly
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aaronpk it was only replacing the first non-IRC-safe character
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aaronpk so if you ever had two spaces in your display name, it would fail too
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aaronpk that should fix it!
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aaronpk sorry Cheuk!
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aaronpk now, in order to fix the file upload issue, i have to switch from the old web hook api to the new Events API
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sknebel aaronpk: if you point me to the relevant bridge code I could probably script that modification
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aaronpk i'm working on it, it's not trivial
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sknebel as in, fixing chat-names if someone doesn't do ti
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aaronpk oh that is done already
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aaronpk and live
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aaronpk wait do you mean the wiki edit i just made?
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sknebel ye
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sknebel s
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aaronpk now i get it
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aaronpk let me think...
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aaronpk i'm not really sure how that would work, because the chat logs have no knowledge of Slack
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aaronpk that /chat-names page is read by the chat logs website
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aaronpk the chat logs would have to do the slack-to-irc transformation in order to map backwards from an IRC name to something on that list
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sknebel if someone adds a name that doesn't match IRC rules to chat-names Kaja could edit their entry to use the IRC form
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aaronpk ahh
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aaronpk clever
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aaronpk this is how it takes a slack name and translates it to an IRC name https://github.com/aaronpk/Slack-IRC-Gateway/blob/master/gateway.js#L350
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sknebel thx
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aaronpk oh no
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aaronpk they really went to town on oauth scopes in the new api
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sknebel haha
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aaronpk hm should the logs hotlink the image from slack, or should it upload a saved copy of it somewhere?
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sknebel does the hotlink time out? or just a precaution?
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aaronpk no idea
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aaronpk there's a "pub_token" in the URL
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sknebel hm... check old links from when it still worked?
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aaronpk but that's actually served from a web page that's returned by the API
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aaronpk they went through that extra hoop for some reason which makes me think the pub token might be short lived
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aaronpk huh found this one and it only has the slack web page URL not the image file https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-02-21/1550717996622900
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aaronpk which is not how the integration used to work so...
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yahwho.org created /User:Yahwho.org (+81) "Created page with " == Fumbling in the Dark == Please forgive my ignorance - this is all new to me."" (view diff)
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aaronpk ah i forgot the images are on a different domain i was searching the wrong thing
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aaronpk ok confirmed that a URL from 2017 still works
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aaronpk which means this is good enough to ship as is
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aaronpk okay, gonna take down the slack bridge while i reconfigure it
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aaronpk we're back!
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aaronpk and image uploads work now!
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aaronpk hey how'd you break it
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[aaronpk] i don't understand what happened lol
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[aaronpk] figured it out, thanks 🙂
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/36
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Loqi [github] Successfully deployed indieweb/2020.indieweb.org to https://2020.indieweb.org
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[fluffy] I seem to have a natural ability to break stuff just by trying to use it normally
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aaronpk well that was a long overdue fix
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