#meta 2020-03-19

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gRegorLove aaronpk, I logged into the Indieweb Orange Zoom to schedule the meetup, do I also need to log in to that acct on my desktop to start it?
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aaronpk you mean instead of joining from your own zoom account or something?
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure one device that's logged in to that needs to be in the meeting
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gRegorLove hm, I may not even have a Zoom account, haha. Just noticed I haven't been logged in. Ok, that answers that.
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aaronpk we should probably test that to confirm at some point, but i'm pretty sure one of the "host" accounts of the meeting needs to actually be in it or people will see "waiting for the host to arrive"
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Loqi it is probable
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gRegorLove There's an option when scheduling a meeting "Alternative Hosts" where you can enter emails
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gRegorLove I'll give it a shot
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[schmarty] ah, this was discussed in the Virtual HWC East Coast chat, but i forgot to give a link. here's my "eternal caturday" collection of little animations of my cat. i've missed a day but am trying to post one every day that we are quarantined / isolated.
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[schmarty] https://martymcgui.re/tag/caturday/
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gRegorLove caturday++
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Loqi caturday has 1 karma over the last year
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gRegorLove Alternative Hosts have to be users listed on your Zoom account
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gRegorLove Makes sense
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aaronpk ah darn okay
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chrisaldrich What is TiddlyWiki?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TiddlyWiki" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TiddlyWiki is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@t going to the Online Homebrew Website Club: West Coast Edition happening now on Zoom! Join us: https://zoom.us/j/741353943 RSVP if you like: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-bSBT0ZceMIHo #indieweb #openweb #online #onlinehwc https://tantek.com/t55e1 (twitter.com/_/status/1240451030443102208)
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gRegorLove Might need to use pin codes on the Zoom calls
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aaronpk i'm looking at the settings now
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aaronpk oh tantek tweeted out the actual zoom link
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aaronpk that would do it
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aaronpk i suspect putting the link on our wiki and in chat here is obscure enough to not attract that spam
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gRegorLove ahh
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aaronpk ok i just went through all the settings and made sure they are the same across all the three accounts
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aaronparecki.com edited /Zoom (+208) "tips for hosts" (view diff)
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aaronpk and this : https://indieweb.org/Zoom#Tips_for_Hosts
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aaronpk for some reason it's hard to find the name of the person screen sharing
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gRegorLove Should we restart, get a new meeting id?
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aaronpk if this is the personal meeting ID for this orange room we're going to have to reset it
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gregorlove.com edited /typography (+257) "/* Vertical Rhythm */ +interactive tool" (view diff)
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gRegorLove I hope we didn't scare katherine off, she didn't stick around too long
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gRegorLove aaronpk, want to test the panelist thing?
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aaronpk sure
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aaronpk let me log out and join as a guest
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aaronpk and you can try as a host
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gRegorLove https://zoom.us/j/733274113
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gRegorLove https://zoom.us/j/359148575
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GWG I got a phone call and missed the end. Sorry
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gRegorLove https://zoom.us/j/517017243
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@belong_io IndieWeb Events https://ift.tt/2Qty9cD Reminder: Homebrew Website Club San Diego and San Francisco are *online* tonight at 6pm Pacific. Join us if you're interested in creating... » (twitter.com/_/status/1240537835129786369)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs () "(-751) update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /Template:next-hwc (+0) "update next date from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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@JmacDotOrg I had back-to-back meetings last night with IndieWeb Meetup NYC (my first ever Zoom conference) and the IFComp tech team. They made me feel relevant and connected, twice over. A lot of technologists committing to our best work right now. What else is there to do? (twitter.com/_/status/1240630453268369408)
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@craigburgess I’ve had to cancel #HomebrewWebsiteClub in its physical location @barnsley_dmc on March 25th. I’m now in lockdown, so I won’t be able to make it. However, I want to make it online. Zoom or Hangouts? (twitter.com/_/status/1240659336113897472)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Other HWC and indiewebcamp have been using zoom for this successfully - come to the http://chat.indieweb.org meta channel to discuss (twitter.com/_/status/1240664977096220677)
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boffosocko.com created /TiddlyWiki (+2841) "stub; pagelo; examples" (view diff)
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[tantek] Thought we had or at least mentioned TiddlyWiki before on the wiki. [chrisaldrich] did you search the wiki first?
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[chrisaldrich] I did and there were a few tangential mentions, but no actual page that I could find, it was all external links.
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[chrisaldrich] there were also a handful of redlinks to it as well... I was a bit surprised myself.
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[chrisaldrich] IndieWeb principles (particularly longevity) seem to be in the primary developers wheelhouse, so we'll see if we can encourage some additional /friendly support there.
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[tantek] Nice, thanks for creating the page chrisaldrich++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 10 karma in this channel over the last year (27 in all channels)
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boffosocko.com edited /2018/Baltimore/offlineposting (-16) "fixed redlinks and formatting on a couple of links" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] I've been playing around with it for too long to not have done more documenting...
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@ChrisAldrich I've started a #TiddlyWiki stub on the #IndieWeb wiki for those using it as a website. It would be cool to see it add Microformats v2. I've noticed that http://Sphygm.us has hers set up with at least incoming Webmention support, which is awesome! https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/19/55769388/ (twitter.com/_/status/1240712895450603521)
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[schmarty] aaronpk: how would you feel about having events.indieweb.org accept u-featured photos from posts that mention an event? i have my wrap-up post from last night's vHWC US East and marked up the photo u-featured. i don't want to mark it u-photo (the post is not a photo post) and am hoping not to make an extra photo post just to have it show up on the event.
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[schmarty] (for now i added it manually via the events.indieweb UI)
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sknebel what is it right now? replies that have u-photo?
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sknebel I feel like mere mentions would lead to false positives
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[schmarty] sknebel: that would be my guess
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@cleverdevil ↩️ @neilwlevine @benwerd Yes, we may be able to help, @benwerd. Ping me on IndieWeb Slack if you want to chat :) (twitter.com/_/status/1240756044323643397)
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aaronpk [schmarty]: i thought featured photos were for like banner images above a post, not literally photos
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aaronpk i guess rephrasing that, my question is why do you mark it up as u-featured instead of u-photo?
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[schmarty] aaronpk: because it's not a photo post
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aaronpk can i see?
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[schmarty] it's a long-form post that _has_ a photo
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[schmarty] of course and thanks! https://martymcgui.re/2020/03/19/indieweb-nyc-aka-virtual-hwc-us-east-meetup-2020-03-18-wrap-up/
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aaronpk interesting...
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sknebel I tihnk with something like that it is really unclear if adding the photo is intended or not
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sknebel so meetable shouldn't do it
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sknebel i.e. would you want that if you had instead put a screenshot of something you worked on in the post?
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aaronpk yeah i'd want to see a wide range of examples of posts with u-featured to see if it would make sense to use that property
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[schmarty] yeah i'm not sure if this should be supported, but i realized that it feels like twice the work to make a post for the wrap-up and a post for the photo.
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aaronpk i'd be worried about false positives
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aaronpk uploading the photo directly is of course fine too
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[schmarty] i'm been using u-featured for a while just for readers
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[schmarty] and would be fine changing the markup for meetable (as long as it doesn't break other consumers like u-photo would)
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sknebel even if u-photo, it needs to be a reply, not just a mention, right?
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sknebel (I couldn't find it documented and was to lazy to code-read)
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[schmarty] potentially!
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[schmarty] this might be a dead-end.
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sknebel if it currently requires a reply then your post would be 2 things "away"
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[schmarty] true! tho' it has enough to be a "blog post"
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www.svenknebel.de edited /NUC (-8) "minor update, indieweb relevance" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich So let's give it a spin by providing an outline for how to accomplish it in true #IndieWeb & #DoOO fashion? Perhaps a few people might trying doing this year's conference this way? Here's an early #PressEdConf20 presentation to get the juices flowing. https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/19/55769396/ (twitter.com/_/status/1240760810906906624)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ So let’s give it a spin by providing an outline for how to accomplish it in true #IndieWeb & #DoOO fashion? Perhaps a few people might trying doing this year’s conference this way? Here’s an early #PressEdConf20 presentation to get the juices flowing. https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/19/55769396/ (twitter.com/_/status/1240761370984869889)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ In Syndication Links settings * Enable Syndication to Other Sites * Enable Twitter via Bridgy Add a custom provider: * name: XYZ pressEdconf20 * UID: XYZ-pressEdconf20 * target URL: https://indieweb.xyz/en/pressEdconf20/ Save the settings. #PressEdConf20 https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/19/55769402/ (twitter.com/_/status/1240763253040353280)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Set posts for one every minute. Use the SL Syndicate To meta box to syndicate your Twitter account and to the http://indieweb.xyz sub where everyone can find them (if they're not following the proceedings via Twitter). #PressEdConf20 https://boffosocko.com/2020/03/19/55769404/ (twitter.com/_/status/1240763926872088577)
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@CharlieRoseMari Since we all have to stay inside anyway, this seems like the perfect opportunity for an IndieWeb hackathon. Like we do in December. Time to finish my CMS. (twitter.com/_/status/1240771462019063809)
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sknebel one does not simply "finish" a personal CMS.
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sknebel ... I thought that was a meme trigger :(
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[tantek] I thought so too
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[tantek] I think I agree with sknebel re: meetable / u-featured. Feels like a hard thing to get "right" without false positives
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[tantek] And frankly the "photo upload" option on Meetable is so simple/quick (especially on mobile) that I really don't know what problem is being "solved"
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sknebel one incremental thing could be a button to pull a photo from a response
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[tantek] Also we have a history of abuse of u-featured and u-photo by folks who were just adding classes to every photo to "make things work" so I'd suggest NOT doing anything imprecise like that
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[tantek] sknebel or even a URL from which to retrieve a photo. if it's a jpg, use it directly (no need to double-upload)
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[tantek] if the URL is an h-entry, then grab the images and allow the user to pick one to add (Pinterest style UI)
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[KevinMarks] Re finishing your CMS, Jerome K Jerome's bicycle principle applies: “There are two ways you can get exercise out of a bicycle: you can "overhaul" it, or you can ride it. On the whole, I am not sure that a man who takes his pleasure overhauling does not have the best of the bargain. He is independent of the weather and the wind; the state of the roads troubles him not. Give him a screw-hammer, a bundle of rags, an oil-can, and something t
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[KevinMarks] sit down upon, and he is happy for the day. He has to put up with certain disadvantages, of course; there is no joy without alloy. He himself always looks like a tinker, and his machine always suggests the idea that, having stolen it, he has tried to disguise it; but as he rarely gets beyond the first milestone with it, this, perhaps, does not much matter. The mistake some people make is in thinking they can get both forms of sport out of
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[KevinMarks] the same machine. This is impossible; no machine will stand the double strain. You must make up your mind whether you are going to be an "overhauler" or a rider.”
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[tantek] nah, false dichotomy fallacy
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[tantek] so overprevalent in such thought-piecy writings
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[KevinMarks] It's Victorian satire.
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[tantek] Victorian satire is obsolete in the 21st century per Poe's law