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[jgmac1106] the provide in "then provide tools and templates for dismantling white supremacy" is a little problematic. Dismantling supremacy isn't about "providing" tools to the oppressed. We should reword so the work stops at just checking ourselves, which is work that doesn't end
# [jgmac1106] ...same time we want to provide organizing tools...just think it needs some word work...want to have the sentiment but without the "Dances with Wolves" sentiment of "provide"
# [jgmac1106] yes..and this is remote...I was going to suggest bifurcating Organizers meetings
# [jgmac1106] into two clear agenda items...rightfully so much of the time is spent planning the actual event next day. but we also want to reserve time for meta issues and respect timezones of remote attendees who dont need to plan the day to day of the event
# [jgmac1106] ...gonna go add this to a a page somewhere
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jgregorymcverry.com edited /Organizers (+546) "/* Brainstorming */ adding idea od two specific agenda sections" (view diff)
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@FaebornNetworks ↩️ Think it's because many of us come from or are exploring the #IndieWeb, therefore, we think in terms of post kinds. (twitter.com/_/status/1275231734234255360)
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@weh_kaniini ↩️ yeah indieweb is basically the right approach and largely that is what socialhome is trying to recreate in the AP world. (twitter.com/_/status/1275232675163504641)
# @FaebornNetworks ↩️ It's pretty awesome, and the issue currently with the IndieWeb is that at least for some things, only certain themes work with it. Wordpress is particularly suffering from that at the moment. (twitter.com/_/status/1275234024592719876)
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@jjdelc So today.. in coding wins, Got a better rendering of tweets in my #indieweb replies and better parsing of reddit posts.
Geeze, every website needs to have its own parsing logic gasps. All I want is proper #microformats everywhere https://jj.isgeek.net/2020/06/22-063526/ (twitter.com/_/status/1275288707847852034)
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West/Schedule (+6266) "Sketched out a preliminary session grid for this weekend" (view diff)
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/JmacDotOrg/status/1275170781744566273" to the "See Also" section of /2020/West https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70484&oldid=70483
# boffosocko.com edited /2020/West (+317) "chrisaldrich and gRegorLove posts about camp; moved one from see also" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ If you can make it, we'd love to have you join us at IndieWebCamp West this weekend. We're overdue to build out more functionality for audience, privacy, and safety. Perhaps suggest it as a session if you can join?
https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/22/55772596/
https://2020.indieweb.org/west (twitter.com/_/status/1275306166617165824)
# @weh_kaniini ↩️ unfortunately it's such short notice, so i'm not going to be able to do a session, but i do idle on #indieweb on freenode and will try to be more involved moving forward. just have been stupidly busy with other things :) (twitter.com/_/status/1275306617941229569)
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# boffosocko.com edited /Webmention (+106) "/* Craft */ link to updated version of client" (view diff)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ That's great, I'd love to see it. I very much believe that people should make their own websites, which is why I work with http://indieweb.org
What in particular did you dislike about mine, I'm always up to improve it (twitter.com/_/status/1275362603687194626)
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@jgmac1106 More evidence why #oer should work toward an HTML first approach: https://gomakethings.com/always-bet-on-html/ #digped #IndieWeb #edtechchat #femedtech (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/Nu0n6) (twitter.com/_/status/1275414076445917184)
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@felixplesoianu It blows my mind that I can actually log in to http://indieweb.org using my personal domain. Some of this tech may be good after all. (twitter.com/_/status/1275435893700964354)
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@acegiak ↩️ You might be interested in @indiewebcamp and their homebrew website clubs (twitter.com/_/status/1275444911832051712)
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@kevquirk If you're interested in getting started with the #IndieWeb this post should help you setup a profile.
https://kevq.uk/how-to-create-an-indieweb-profile/ (twitter.com/_/status/1275452193873686535)
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loqi.me created /mumbo_jumbo (+19) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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# @felixplesoianu ↩️ Oops, now I realize you were responding to my tweet, not my recent blog post, for lack of a link. Here: https://felix.plesoianu.ro/blog/indieweb-thoughts.html (twitter.com/_/status/1275460154780155907)
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] I can see how you would interpret provide that way (not my intention) and we should improve wording in particular. In as much as white(ish) people can do work themselves to dismantle white supremacy, they can take learnings from that work, and literally *provide* those learnings to other white(ish) people who may be encountering similar challenges. There was no intent of "saviourism" and we should explicitly caution against that.
# loqi.me created /bikeshedding (+273) "prompted by jeremycherfas and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# loqi.me edited /bikeshedding (+62) "[tantek] added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshedding" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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# [jgmac1106] I get it and I don't interpret it that way, but know how perceptions can be different...something like "build with" rather than "provide" or "build for" and not a big deal...we have just been talking about language so much
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@tinysubversions ↩️ Yeah. It just still has the feeling of "magic" to it that IndieWeb documentation tends to have. Like you have to dig one or two levels to get beyond magic. I think it is possible to reveal technical details while not being unfriendly even to technical people. (twitter.com/_/status/1275482171306700800)
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@lobsters How To Create An IndieWeb Profile
by @kevquirk
https://lobste.rs/s/hkcezl #web
https://kevq.uk/how-to-create-an-indieweb-profile/ (twitter.com/_/status/1275482577571155968)
# [tantek] [jgmac1106] That's an excellent suggestion! Feel free to update /Organizers accordingly: > something like "build with" rather than "provide" or "build for"
# [jgmac1106] ...no joke...I was having trouble finding the line from the revision history yesterday......
# [jgmac1106] will do
# [jgmac1106] at the bottom of page found it
# jgregorymcverry.com edited /Organizers (+70) "/* See Also */ switching semantics of "provide" to "build with"" (view diff)
# @jgmac1106 100% This! "Personal websites are conversations" https://felix.plesoianu.ro/blog/indieweb-thoughts.html #digped #IndieWeb #oer (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/stFlo) (twitter.com/_/status/1275486693534117889)
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@johanbove ↩️ The Indieweb movement and peer-to-peer scene are inspiring to me. Having fun with Beakerbrowser. And also I'm still enjoying my Known CMS instance! (twitter.com/_/status/1275493406186377219)
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@jxpx777 ↩️ That's cool, but I think that I value autonomy even more than that, so I am more interested in the indieweb stuff lately. Been tinkering around the edges with it. (twitter.com/_/status/1275498450176499713)
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# [tantek] Heads-up folks, another project I've been advising has just launched today: https://dontgobacktonormal.uk/ and it's linking to IndieWeb, specifically here: https://dontgobacktonormal.uk/#social-media
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[schmarty] neat! tantek++
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@JamieTanna Reminder that it's #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham tomorrow! See you there for some website stuff https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/online-homebrew-website-club-nottingham-LrUgUvSF1Z23 (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/06/yijks/) (twitter.com/_/status/1275525861253529601)
# loqi.me edited /lolinition (+41) "[tantek] added "[[baby-dont-hurt-me]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] I can think of more local food places
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gRegorLove blokechain, omg xD
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I suspect you're unaware, but mumbo jumbo has some "baggage" https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/31/317442320/unmasking-the-meaning-and-marital-disputes-behind-mumbo-jumbo
# [chrisaldrich] My memories of it during my youth in the deep South were not always positive ones.
# [chrisaldrich] There it was often used with very subtle "othering" overtones toward non-dominant cultures.
# boffosocko.com edited /Organizers (+18) "/* Progress On Three Onramps */ Quick_Start page could be a piece of this..." (view diff)
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# [chrisaldrich] yes, that's how I saw it.
# [chrisaldrich] What is BSA?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "BSA" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "BSA is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [chrisaldrich] I only saw the redirect edit on the wiki. I didn't go past that, so honestly don't know what BSA is...
# [tantek] yes hence why I asked if you saw the added /jargon#See_Also entry 🙂
# [chrisaldrich] I'm seeing it now...
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tantek.com deleted /mumbo_jumbo "unnecessary "#REDIRECT[[jargon]]""
# [chrisaldrich] The term has definitely passed into such common use and some of its history has disappeared that some wouldn't know.
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@maique Today I came across a toot by Kev Quirk with a thorough and yet simple tutorial on how to set up an h-card on your site. A few hours later, after baby duty, it’s done.
{micro maique} now has a working “business card for the IndieWeb”. https://fosstodon.org/%5B@kev%5D(https://micro.blog/kev)/104394025768933225 (twitter.com/_/status/1275572057112227840)
# gRegorLove Think we're down to one Zoom room currently ^ but a Google Meet or Jitsi could be used for that too