#meta 2020-06-30

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gregorlove.com edited /TikTok (+596) "/* Criticism */ === Copies clipboard contents from other apps ===" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /archive.is (+124) "dfn, see also" (view diff)
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@jgmac1106 finished up demo project from @IndieWebCamp West Maker Day: https://jgregorymcverry.com/mybookshelf I wanted a bookshelf of reviews using rotating cards, CSS Grid, and no javascript. h/t to @smashingmag tutorial: https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2020/02/magic-flip-cards-common-sizing-problem/ #edtechchat (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2bsMDI) (twitter.com/_/status/1277768000553340928)
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jacky.wtf edited /read (+110) "/* Other Examples */ adds self to library list" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegorLove, [jgmac1106], and lastly [chrisaldrich] only because you've been wikifying so much lately, I think we need a new dedicated "personal library" page that incorporates both from https://indieweb.org/book#Library_Examples and from https://indieweb.org/read#Other_Examples
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[tantek] heh jacky too 🙂
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jacky :)
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gRegorLove heh, one more term for all this stuff I'm still trying to differentiate
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jgmac1106 yeah I can work on it in the morning unless I wake up to edits
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jgmac1106 but gRegorLove made me think of the difference of how you are thinking of u-read-of posts as like a status change versus writing a book review. but I wasn;t really worried about any metadata…wanted the info, then wanted pretty info
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[tantek] well right now the info is awkwardly spread across subsections on separate pages
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jgmac1106 ohh reading your brainstorming session that makes sense….but I think I would be nesting a h-cite p-read-of in an h-entry or h-review
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jgmac1106 yeah,….I can take a look in the morning, gotta get the kids to bed now
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[chrisaldrich] +1 to the personal library bit... I was thinking the same thing two months ago, but was too lazy then... it is spread across two or three different pages....
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[chrisaldrich] is personal library the right name for it?
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gRegorLove personal library redirects to the /read#Other_Examples currently
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gRegorLove so yeah, merging those library examples together on some other page seems a good first step, whatever it's titled
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[chrisaldrich] or something like bookshelf, digital bookshelf, other?
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[chrisaldrich] that quirk has been bothering me for two years honestly... 😉
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gRegorLove > As clusters of interesting behavior emerge here, they may be worthy of labeling and their own pages, e.g. "personal library", "owned books", "books to read" etc.
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[chrisaldrich] I think maybe it's been the naming issue that's kept me from separating and merging them....
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gRegorLove idk, it feels a bit preliminary given how experimental everything is, but I don't have a strong opinion about it. Guess as long as the pages are linked together and it's not confusing, it's good!
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[chrisaldrich] I wouldn't used owned books, because a large part of mine is an "anti-library" of sorts...
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gRegorLove what is library?
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Loqi A library in this context typically refers to a software library, and sometimes to a physical library, like a personal library that an independent may use to collect books they have read https://indieweb.org/library
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gRegorLove ok, expected that
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[chrisaldrich] Personal library sounds like a start until we think of something better.
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gRegorLove sgtm
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[chrisaldrich] I'll tinker for a few minutes while my food is cooking...
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gRegorLove ok. I'm around too, though (re-)starting some indiebookclub updates
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[tantek] similarly
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[tantek] what is delicious library
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Loqi Delicious Library is https://delicious-monster.com, an application for keeping inventory of your stuff with minor emphasis on sharing with friends https://indieweb.org/Delicious_Library
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[tantek] since public libraries now allow you to check out music, dvds, etc. seems like personal library is a reasonable analog (so to speak)
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gRegorLove interesting, hadn't heard of that
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gRegorLove "Catalog everything.
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gRegorLove Like, 10,000s of items. You don’t even own enough items to hit the limit."
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[tantek] yeah, just collecting some currently semi-disconnected bits here adjacent in chat so it's easier to formally connect them in the wiki
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[chrisaldrich] I'll do personal library with a rough meaning of a collection of digital or physical objects (noun) while the read page will be more related to posts detailing a verbal activity around these sorts of objects (bookmarking, acquiring, reading, wanting to read, etc.) if that gives us enough of a distinction between the two?
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@livejournalmad1 ↩️ Anyway detrans twitter fam, time to learn about the indie web, sorry this website is so confusing, it’s worth it: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1277781337890422784)
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@livejournalmad1 ↩️ This page is probably the best place to start actually https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1277781644351385601)
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[chrisaldrich] gRegorLove, I could have sworn once that there was a way to move sections of media wiki and create redirects for those section headings so that direct links to them from outside that page would redirect to the new page for instances like personal library. Are you aware of such?
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gRegorLove Hm, I don't think so
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gRegorLove particularly when the destination page has content already, even if just #redirect
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boffosocko.com edited /book (-481) "moved Library Examples section to /personal_library; small tweak to definition; disambiguation sentence for related pages" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /personal_library (+5116) "remove redirect; conglomerate subsections from /Books and /read pages" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com created /bookshelf (+35) "redirect to personal library" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /bookshelf (-5) "fix redirect to personal library" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /read () "(-2005) 2020/West camp session; moved personal library examples to that page" (view diff)
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] great job assembling /personal_library !!!
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] ++
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[chrisaldrich] Now the difficult part of adding brainstorming ideas, but doing it all while making it DRY...
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] there's a new /personal_library waiting for you to add an example and thoughts to it. 😉
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[chrisaldrich] now to put a monkey to bed with a bit of book reading... 📘 for a break and then back to camp clean up....
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GWG Downloading the entire video from the weekend to my Plex server
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[tantek] How many "episodes" do we need to start releasing "seasons"?
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GWG [tantek]: I proposed we all watch an old session on one of those Watch Together services
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[tantek] that would be very odd especially if it was with people in the video watching themselves and adding more commentary
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[tantek] instead of watch together, we should do it on Zoom, and then record that
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GWG [tantek]: Let's say we watched the original Vouch video.
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[tantek] then the next year we could do the same
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GWG It might push forward the conversation
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GWG I also still want to start putting Pop-Ups on the calendar.
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GWG But I'm trying to figure out best advice for it.
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GWG Scheduling is hard
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[tantek] yeah
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[tantek] aaronpk, do we have [chrisaldrich]'s housekeeping / intro session recorded on video? Didn't see it linked here: https://indieweb.org/2020/West/Schedule#Saturday
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GWG With all the timezone considerations
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aaronpk Oh yeah I forgot to finish that one
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@kongaloosh ↩️ So I made an #indieweb-pinboard. aether is a small flask-app with hints of javascript that take a folder on your server and transform it into an infinite scroll of images that are slowly loaded as you cruise by. (twitter.com/_/status/1277814592207380480)
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jacky ooh cool
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[schmarty] kongaloosh++ rad!!
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@_iainjreid ↩️ I’ve seen many people turning away from mainstream social media to return to personal microblogging on their own domains. Platforms like Mastodon will hopefully pace the way to a more connected IndieWeb space to help people make the move. (twitter.com/_/status/1277878823791493121)
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[jgmac1106] gRegorLove++
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[jgmac1106] Chrisaldrich++
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jgmac1106 gwg thinking same time frame for IWC East/ Octoberish…will be remote but thinkling of keeping relationship with venue….
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@malcolmblaney sad that IndieWeb summit isn't happening this year, but enjoying catching up on all the recordings from the online event over the weekend! Thanks to everyone for the great discussions and the organisers for making the content available. (twitter.com/_/status/1277932564683112448)
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GWG [jgmac1106]: We could set up an entry on the planning page
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jgmac1106 best part of wikis…don’t need to ask permission. October works best for me…I don’t know what fall semester looks liek, want to protect September
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GWG Do the +1 for various weeks
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GWG Maybe I'll start
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jgmac1106 and I want to find out when Zegnat and sknebel are thinking for IWC EU…if the Berlin organizers want to be involved and what they are thinking for dates
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GWG I always feel like we don't get things on the calendar early enough and miss opportunities as a result
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jgmac1106 you should gwg I know you have religous obligations in the falll. I don’t know those dates. I will go after
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jgmac1106 volunteers doing their best
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GWG If we pick a date before the end of July... that's 3 months to figure everything else out
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GWG Less rushing
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GWG Also would like to figure out how to schedule popups
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GWG As in, what time works for them
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Loqi Sorry, I don't see them on https://indieweb.org/irc-people
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@robborsuk @wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" https://buff.ly/3b8wAsO #startup (twitter.com/_/status/1277946749068480512)
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jgmac1106 coming in from chat we are discussing apps and UX that track progress of habits/behavior. Where should it go?
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jgmac1106 What is measure?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "measure" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "measure is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 What is Measure?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Measure" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "Measure is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jgmac1106 I quit someone else can find the page..swear we have something
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jeremycherfas what is quantified self?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "quantified self" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "quantified self is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jeremycherfas I give up too.
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@loltimo too annoyed and tired to deal with fixing my ghost blog so i could post updates on my grant … but also just had a look at IndieWeb™ stuff again and … intrigued by IndieAuth, micropub, PURR & static files, webmentions, all that. but also no time for this either … (twitter.com/_/status/1277975686586568704)
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[tantek] Interesting, first I've heard of people needing to "fix" their Ghost blog
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[KevinMarks] Well, it's node so there's a continual flow of dependency updates.
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ Read up https://indieweb.org/Webmention if you want to learn more about the subject. There are some interesting people around exploring it. Even here on Twitter! (twitter.com/_/status/1277992446392242177)
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@w3bk3rn3l Join us… on ✨The Internet!✨ Link to the Zoom video conference will be visible above from 6:45pm (BST) and moderated throughout by the event organizer Calum and Ana. Homebrew Website Club is a meetup for anyone interested in personal websites and a… https://paulopinto.org/2020/06/253/ (twitter.com/_/status/1277992369552592897)
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@mediapathic ↩️ I think this is related to movements toward the indieweb and out of silos (my blog post about how to set up RSS as a normal person is currently in the other window). (twitter.com/_/status/1278011543334969344)
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loqi.me edited /Doomscrolling (+67) "[schmarty] added "https://www.wired.com/story/stop-doomscrolling/" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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jacky wow I haven't seen this page before
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jacky that = /IndieWeb
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jacky it's definitely less crowded (which can be more!) than /Getting_Started
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[tw2113] an indieweb wiki page on the indieweb wiki 😄
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[tantek] Yeah it's kinda easier to navigate based on who you are
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[tantek] has a lot of the simplicity I want in the three-column approach
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@anaulin I just published Adding Syndication Urls to My Posts: https://anaulin.org/blog/adding-syndication-urls/ #hugo #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1278056019495661569)
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[chrisaldrich] I don't remember if the Newsletter used to pick up videos from the IndieWebCamp YouTube account, but I'm pretty sure we haven't set up any automation for the IndieWeb Newsletter to find and highlight Archive.org videos...
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[chrisaldrich] I remember GWG found an RSS feed for Archive.org that had some search query parameters by account as well as keywords.
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[chrisaldrich] This would be a good week to have that feature...
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[tantek] Yeah, worth filing as an issue for the newsletter so we don't forget! We've got a bunch of feature requests
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[chrisaldrich] Oh, I see the Github page for it now... somehow missed it the first time around.
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West (+296) "/* Posts */ Ana Ulin: Adding Syndication Urls to My Posts" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich Syndicating my IndieWeb Wiki edits to my personal website https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/30/syndicating-my-indieweb-wiki-edits-to-my-personal-website/ (twitter.com/_/status/1278088799713542144)
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[chrisaldrich] edit << {{chrisaldrich}} 2020-06-30 [https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/30/syndicating-my-indieweb-wiki-edits-to-my-personal-website/ Syndicating my IndieWeb Wiki Edits to my Personal Website] via [[PESOS]] using [[IFTTT]] and [[RSS]] to [[Webmention]] endpoint
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Loqi ok, I added "{{chrisaldrich}} 2020-06-30 [https://boffosocko.com/2020/06/30/syndicating-my-indieweb-wiki-edits-to-my-personal-website/ Syndicating my IndieWeb Wiki Edits to my Personal Website] via [[PESOS]] using [[IFTTT]] and [[RSS]] to [[Webmention]] endpoint" to the "See Also" section of /edit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=71008&oldid=69210
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[tantek] whoa
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] does your PESOS catch your < < edits as well like that ^^^ 🙂 ?
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jacky hmm this is clever
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I just did that edit almost as a test to see if it would catch the Loqi-based edits on my behalf. It should, we'll see in a moment. 😉
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[tantek] neat!
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[chrisaldrich] It does! 🎉
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[chrisaldrich] I'm filtering the atom feed of the wiki for either my domain name or my chat-name to capture the two types of edit syntax.
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aaronpk whoa
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[tantek] amazing!
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] so if I happen to mention your name in a wiki edit summary, presumably that would also get it to show up on your site?
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[chrisaldrich] If it's in the form of "chrisaldrich" it would. I'm debating on showing these edits publicly or not, so at the moment, they're all drafts. But in those cases, it conveniently serves as a pseudo-notification, which is a nice bonus I guess?
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[tantek] right, like a mention! that makes sense
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[chrisaldrich] Though in that case it shows up in my posts queue instead of my comments/mention queue.
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