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jmac.org edited /Whim (+46) "Adding fogknife.com as a Whim-using website" (view diff)
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aaronpk you can now view edit history of events on events.indieweb.org!
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aaronpk https://events.indieweb.org/event/3/history
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aaronpk (must be logged in to view)
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jacky nice and you can add summary info
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aaronpk oh heh viewing an old revision of the event with an old cover image fails to load the cover image because it was deleted
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk++ for community resources
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@jackyalcine ↩️ I shouldn’t call it a “blog” engine. It’ll be more than that. There’s a lot I want to do with my personal space that’s heavily influenced by stuff in the IndieWeb space as well as the Dat world and the setups today would require a LOT of tinkering to get… https://v2.jacky.wtf/post/bbdb37b6-2e2e-44d0-9922-eb96dcc988b7 (twitter.com/_/status/1279971640718352385)
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[chrisaldrich] I've mocked up an organizing template box, which we can put on all the relevant pages so keep the see also sections relatively consistent. https://indieweb.org/Template:organizing Is there anything glaring or useful missing? Thoughts?
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[tantek] Do we have candidate dates for IWC East yet to vote on?
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[tantek] or at least express opinions / availability?
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[tantek] what is IWC East/
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IWC East/" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IWC East/ is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] what is IWC East?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IWC East" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "IWC East is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] aaronpk++ nice work on the revision history and summary comment UI on Meetable!
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Loqi aaronpk has 62 karma in this channel over the last year (230 in all channels)
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[tantek] minor request: could you make it so pressing return on the summary text field submits the form / saves it?
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+360) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^ I created HWC West meetups for the rest of July. cc GWG [chrisaldrich] gRegorLove
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[tantek] the 22nd and 29th have TBD for host, in case anyone wants to volunteer for those!
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[tantek] [Ana_Rodrigues] [calumryan] feel free to create HWC London events for the rest of the month also! 🙂
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[tantek] BTW I invited Cassie to come to the next HWC London 🙂
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tantek.com edited /code-of-conduct (+50) "/* Respect */ id for prioritizes" (view diff)
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[calumryan] Will do thanks [tantek] 🙂 Would be awesome to see Cassie at our next HWC hopefully
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[tantek] Feel free to reach out and invite her personally e.g. via Twitter 🙂
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tantek.com edited /Organizers (+44) "link BIPOC to Wikipedia expansion / explanation" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] "or we need to watch our jargon in webmention replies" lot of people responded to her initial indieweb post ( I do not know if it is jargon laden.) https://twitter.com/_/status/1279873724339159044
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@XandraPenclaw I seem to have set the unfortunate precedent with my indieweb posts that I’m some kind of developer/power user who goes to conferences and stuff. In truth I just like to fart around with wordpress and things. I’m at best a hobbyist. * (twitter.com/_/status/1279873724339159044)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ "In truth I just like to fart around with wordpress and things. I’m at best a hobbyist." Sounds like a great definition of #IndieWeb. Jargon can be scary but spirit approachable. Get a website, share your story (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1wF78G) (twitter.com/_/status/1280088299676274689)
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@t Changes To IndieWeb Organizing, Brief Words At IndieWebCamp West: https://tantek.com/b/57U1 (twitter.com/_/status/1280096491596476417)
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[tantek] ^^^ feel free to comment here too. Thanks for everyone's help and contributions to getting to this point.
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@schestowitz Tantek Çelik: Changes To #IndieWeb Organizing, Brief Words At #IndieWebCamp West https://tantek.com/2020/187/b1/changes-indieweb-organizing-indiewebcamp-west #mozilla #www (twitter.com/_/status/1280097652655489029)
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[tantek] I don't think I mentioned Mozilla, so... that's interesting
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[jgmac1106] might be his write only bot account based on description not sure..says to talk to me come to plemora
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[tantek] It's possible he picked it up from Planet Mozilla which aggregates a lot of employee blogs
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[jgmac1106] Glad to hear that planet still kicking was sad when we let the MoFO planet die....but hey they got a new React blog....
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[jgmac1106] that is more chat sorry
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[tantek] https://planet.mozilla.org/ is still up and going
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[tantek] that's still kinda indie, I mean it's an aggregator of indieweb blogs 🙂
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[tantek] (anyway my post is currently top of page there so perhaps that's what's going on)
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@planetmozilla Tantek Çelik: Changes To IndieWeb Organizing, Brief Words At IndieWebCamp West https://ift.tt/2Z0it5f (twitter.com/_/status/1280102506392170496)
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jeremycherfas Wondering where to add a post about a hugo theme for publishing a zettelkasten as a website. The post is here https://forum.zettelkasten.de/discussion/1229/hugo-theme-ofr-publishing-your-archive but it is not the sort of thing I do, so I am not sure where it might fit best.
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[jgmac1106] jermeycherfas is it a wiki CMS/LMS all of the above?
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[jgmac1106] zettelkasten? I went to https://zettelkasten.de/
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[jgmac1106] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zettelkasten would you say similar or different than?Common_place book?
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[jgmac1106] If similar maybe there? if different it's own page?
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jeremycherfas Zettelkasten is more than a commonplace book, it is a system of taking and connecting notes in a kind of outboard brain. You could certainly keep a commonplace book using zettel principles, but it offers all sorts of other possibilities too. I know chrisaldrich has talked about publishing personal wikis to the web. This theme is the sort of thing that would interest people interested in doing that.
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ and back to your idea of building for others...we are launching this free tech camp for teens in #nhv https://www.cfalct.org/tech4teens on Tuesday. Every kid getting a SemPress #IndieWeb blog and a computer. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/b38tE) (twitter.com/_/status/1280135947607248896)
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@lightcoin ↩️ sounds also similar to #indieweb concepts https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1280158437431795712)
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loqi.me created /perf (+24) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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@practicing_dsgn ↩️ This is what I love about the #IndieWeb, it encourages people to take the initiative and cultivate their own personal space on the web (twitter.com/_/status/1280173824097398784)
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Homebrew Website Club West Coast" on Jul 29, 2020 6:00pm changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/117/history/435/diff
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aaronpk um Loqi that was me
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[tantek] also um Loqi, you really shouldn't be telling us about the future like that
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aaronpk lol
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aaronpk i was wondering about that...
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aaronpk i figured the assumption is that since it's an IRC notification the edit it happened now
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[tantek] let's not give the robots time travel capabilities, we know how badly that can go
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aaronpk ok i think i fixed it
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" on Jul 8, 2020 7:00pm changed description "no need to include https:// in visible text" https://events.indieweb.org/event/112/history/436/diff
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aaronpk dammit
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aaronpk one more time
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aaronpk let's see if i can find another minor edit
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aaronpk and by popular request, "enter" in the edit description field submits the form :)
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Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Homebrew Website Club West Coast" on Jul 22, 2020 6:00pm changed description "no need to include https:// in visible text" https://events.indieweb.org/event/116/history/437/diff
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aaronpk yay
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@MontoutDenk ↩️ #indieweb #chatons et sinon pour tenter de s'affranchir de ces plateformes : * https://chatons.org/ * https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1280185735786700800)
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www.geeksareforlife.com created /User:Www.geeksareforlife.com (+214) "Created page with "{{Infobox person |name = James Hayward |url = https://www.geeksareforlife.com/ |photo_url = https://www.geeksareforlife.com/images/profile.jpg |pronouns = he/him |summary = |..."" (view diff)
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www.geeksareforlife.com edited /User:Www.geeksareforlife.com (+18) (view diff)
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www.geeksareforlife.com created /Template:jameshayward (+140) "Created page with "<span class="h-card">{{sparkline| https://www.geeksareforlife.com/images/profile.jpg}} [[User:Www.geeksareforlife.com|James Hayward]]</span>"" (view diff)
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www.geeksareforlife.com edited /User:Www.geeksareforlife.com (-18) (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] Which 6pm was that? (it came in at 6.01pm in BST)
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jacky oh that's a good point re: no TZ info in edits ^
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[KevinMarks] (I have a todo on a work project to unpick where GMT/BST and UTC are being confused - that tended to be more obvious when I wasn't in a time zone with the Greenwich meridian in)
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[KevinMarks] Hmm, so the VCs who funded a voice chat server with 1500 users at $100M valuation are looking for blog tools? Should we be afraid?
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jacky wait really?
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[tantek] yay what aaronpk? "Jul 22, 2020" is still in the future. I really think we should have a law against allowing bots access to the future timeline like that
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aaronpk it's the date/time of the event
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aaronpk i figured just "Homebrew Website Club West Coast" would be too ambiguous
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aaronpk it's not the time of the edit
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[tantek] ok that's ambiguous. it very much reads as Updated noun on date
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[tantek] not that date is part of noun
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aaronpk i think putting the event name in quotes isn't helping
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[tantek] especially when noun is specifically delimited by quotation marks making it appear self-enclosed
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jacky ah gotcha
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[tantek] lol
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aaronpk maybe i'll start by taking out the quotes
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[tantek] since this is just an update here in chat, maybe use an ISO date and prefix the event name instead, inside the quotes?
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[tantek] or that
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aaronpk you're all smart people, I assume you realize that it's not july 22nd right now
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[tantek] either way, "2020-07-22 18:00 Homebrew Website Club West" reads more like an event
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aaronpk not sold on iso date but putting the date first does help
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aaronpk multi-day events are really uglly with ISO dates
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aaronpk right now it'll say "July 22 - 23, 2020" which is a lot more readable than 2020-07-22..23 or whatever
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[tonz] (carried ovr from #indieweb-chat’s post on organising https://tantek.com/2020/187/b1/changes-indieweb-organizing-indiewebcamp-west I thought would it be useful maybe to have a pool of volunteers that can serve as a ‘buddy’ to new organisers and be their go-to/on-call person during both the run-up to an event, as well as during? As a person in the background that actively assists new organisers during their first time organising (answering
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[tonz] question, tip, concern of the new organiser while they’re doing it. I had that role a few times for unconferences. It’s different from providing general documentation/tips, or discussing how to organise with someone in general. Being in the midst of doing it having someone ‘on demand’ theoretically I feel isn’t enough, as the demand never gets made, because there is no visible extended hand at the precise time of need. Having someone a
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[tonz] questions of new organisers, suggesting tactics, actions, managing expectations, sharing real experiences, be there when needed, acknowledge fears/apprehension) Someone who doesn’t need to be listed as organiser, or even actively doing any of the organising, just someone to pro-actively support the new organiser? I mean helping out during the actual organising, in the run-up to the event. To be actively available in the background for any
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[tonz] ‘silent’ team member during your first time organising, just to assist/mentor/advice/practically help you. (e.g. I had weekly conversations with an unconference organiser during the run-up to their event, helping edit texts, suggest little tips and tactics during activities, in the run-up and during the event.
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Loqi [tonz]: [jgmac1106] left you a message on 2019-12-26 at 4:15pm UTC: we are organizing IWC Online this year and are hoping it is a multilingual event, any interst?
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] Changes To IndieWeb Organizing, Brief Words At IndieWebCamp West
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@tw2113 If you factor in the people who don't realize they're participating, then the #indieweb is actually pretty large. (twitter.com/_/status/1280201432013078529)
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[tantek] yup
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[tantek] [tonz]++ this sounds like a good idea
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Loqi [New Event] boffosocko.com created "Aug 1, 2020 9:30am Getting Started with WordPress, an IndieWebCamp Pop-up Session" https://events.indieweb.org/GsrFJw7ltLd2
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[tantek] aaronpk++ this is very cool!
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aaronpk 🎉
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aaronpk does look better with the date first
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar an old loqi notification as a multlingual callback.....not like aaronpk needs more work...but how could an irc tell send a webmention or other notification
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aaronpk i mean the message already has a permalink on chat.indieweb.org
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aaronpk it'd need to autolink the person's name to their website, then a webmention would work
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/Pop-ups (+395) "add Getting Started with WordPress" (view diff)
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@aredridel ↩️ This is definitely a bit #indieweb and it's super bare bones right now. I'd love help on it — and I can kick some cash toward contributions! Hit me up, especially if open source contribution isn't usually approachable to you. (twitter.com/_/status/1280224558247796737)
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jan.boddez.net edited /User:Jan.boddez.net (+167) "/* Webmention Context */" (view diff)
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk more for me to realize as well better ways to reach out to people then using !tell not the first time it happens
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[jgmac1106] but that is a neat idea...
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petermolnar we should repurpose using the root domain webmentions into treating them as IM/PM
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Loqi yea!
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aaronpk you certainly can use it that way if you’d like
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aaronpk it’s also the person-tagging use case tho
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West (+354) "/* Posts */ Tantek's "Changes To IndieWeb Organizing, Brief Words At IndieWebCamp West"" (view diff)
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jacky I guess a private webmention to one's url would be a "direct message"?
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[tantek] sounds maybe on topic for #indieweb or at least #indieweb-dev ? chatting a bit about related person-tagging in #indieweb
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[tantek] gives Loqi an exception
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Loqi Thanks, [tantek]!
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jacky talk about excellent exception handling lol
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[tantek] lol
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] !tell jeremycherfas, we definitely need a page for those sort of garden & stream examples, but I'm not sure what makes most sense either? I've seen the idea of "digital gardens" coalescing a bit, but...
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