#meta 2020-07-07

2020-07-07 UTC
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "https://tantek.com/2020/187/b1/changes-indieweb-organizing-indiewebcamp-west" http://ing.am/p/5jat (twitter.com/_/status/1280317387447959552)
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@ykiriki ↩️ https://indieweb.org/Micropub :) (twitter.com/_/status/1280321686416564239)
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@gooddadmike We need social network, microblogging and video sharing that work on open standards (just like how email works), so that I can own my data and publish anywhere. Basically https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1280361488511913984)
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/2020.indieweb.org/pull/48
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jeremycherfas Maybe wait and see what else emerges from the Garden & Stream popup?
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Loqi jeremycherfas: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 6 hours, 44 minutes ago: definitely need a page for those sort of garden & stream examples, but I'm not sure what makes most sense either? I've seen the idea of "digital gardens" coalescing a bit, but...
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@kevinmarks ↩️ If this has made you interested in the web, have a read of http://indieweb.org to see how you can be a part of it with your own Web site on the Internet (twitter.com/_/status/1280478092797018115)
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[jgmac1106] kevinmarks++ for outreach
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Loqi kevinmarks has 9 karma in this channel over the last year (75 in all channels)
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[KevinMarks] Well, if its got to the point where people are saying Tim and Vint didn't invent anything I should attach a call to action and turn off twitter
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@jgmac1106 Yes: I am excited for our first day of the #tech4teens #IndieWeb camp in #nhv we have fifteen kids from all over the world signed up to learn how to learn about their passion through blogging and code. Working with so many great @scsu and @yale mentors: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/07/07/yes-i-am-excited-for-our-first-day-of-the (twitter.com/_/status/1280486491223965696)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ It's an #indieweb friendly open source blogging system https://withknown.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/1280493390958862338)
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petermolnar erm
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petermolnar riot with matrix.im lists an #freenode_#indieweb-ru:matrix.org room when #freenode is selected
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petermolnar anyone knows anything about that
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petermolnar ?
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sknebel hm nope. google claims there is a telegram group too
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sknebel join and ask? :D
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@sl007 ↩️ It is "fancy" as you see ;) And btw: We are doing a cool conf, it's free https://conf.activitypub.rocks #activitypub #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1280512772346982402)
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[jgmac1106] petermolnar is the ru for Russian? I think we put the correct riot links on /discuss but if we did it worng please fix or let folks know
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tantek.com restored /domain_registrar "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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@wolframkriesing Is it a bad idea to use #webmention for async communication e.g. to trigger a build process? For example: A tweet was responded/sent, my site was mentioned and this triggers a rebuild of my static site to reflect this change on my site. https://webmention.net/draft/#introduction #indieweb #spec (twitter.com/_/status/1280534218184052737)
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@JamieTanna Reminder that it's #HomebrewWebsiteClub Nottingham tomorrow! I hope to see you there at 1730 for some website stuff! https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/online-homebrew-website-club-nottingham-xZ25kFM3qUYx (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2020/07/10yzb/) (twitter.com/_/status/1280534791578947585)
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[tantek] hey folks we don't really have any prescriptive recommendations on the use / maintenance of wiki redirects (either on /wikify or /redirect) and before I go undo a lot of deletions of redirects, I wanted to ask explicitly for opinions here to see if we have any sort of community consensus
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[tantek] e.g. my general opinion: "redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions"
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[tantek] so I'm fairly liberally pro-redirects. definitely open to hearing contrary viewpoints!
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[tantek] or people don't care one way or another that's good to know too
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jacky I'm down for redirections tbh
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jacky I just wish they weren't so noisy in terms of the general contributions
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[tantek] you mean noisy as in the wiki edits for redirects showing up here? or showing up in people's "User Contributions" page?
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jacky the former, not the latter
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[tantek] I wonder the same about deletions / undeletions
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[tantek] We can likely redesign the microcopy for those chat notifications so they're less noisy. Maybe even make them "funnier" with some clever Loqi-isms
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[jgmac1106] as someone who is learning I can sometimes find those redirect noise useful..connects dots
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[jgmac1106] have wondered if we need a channel just for updates
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[jgmac1106] like on Friday when it is a rush to get stuff done for newsletter
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[tantek] yeah that's come up before. I think that's the cheap reactive solution rather than addressing the harder problem of microcopy design
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[tantek] e.g. instead of [[Special:Log/delete]] restore  * Tantek.com *  restored "[[domain registrar]]": redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions
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[tantek] [[domain registrar]] restored by Tantek.com because redirects are cheap, and help discoverability via chat 'what is' questions
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[tantek] That's just literal editing, like dropping the jargony [[Special:Log/delete]] (like no one cares to know about the Special: prefix or what wiki "namespace" in practice seriously, then rewriting as a single human readable sentence instead of LOG FILE ENTRY: INFO 1 : "INFO 2"
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jacky tbh, I'd be more interested in making them a bit more "invisible" (like on IRC, it could be a notice)
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jacky but yeah, translating them could help as well
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[tantek] another approach could be clustering, like only report deletes, redirects etc. once an hour at most, and list them all by type. The following pages were deleted: ..... or The following redirects were created...
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jacky hmmm
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[chrisaldrich] I definitely like seeing them and dont' think they're too noisy. Having better "translations" and batching them may be useful if others think they're noisy.
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[chrisaldrich] I can also see a case for real-time so that the older hands might be able to help out new comers too...
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[chrisaldrich] though this also presumes that editors are in chat for direct real-time chat...
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[tantek] ^ that's been a big use-case for sure, realtime damage control / teachable moments 🙂
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@erikkroes Is there a current and active plugin to import instagram pictures into WordPress? I was hoping to import pictures, so I can export them to twitter. Very indieweb-like. But everything has been blocked and stopped by facebook? (twitter.com/_/status/1280596797791109122)
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@erikkroes ↩️ Yeah, I think you can. But I want them downloaded/exported/stored. Not just keep them inside Instagram. https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1280598799187095552)
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@fluffypony ↩️ You’ll have to excuse my ignorance, but I’m trying to grasp what IndieWeb is. At first glance it looks like Disqus, or maybe Geocities, or maybe webrings, or maybe a mix of all of those. It’s a little difficult to parse what it *is* from the lofty goals on the front page. (twitter.com/_/status/1280607381882314754)
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aaronpk hmm how do we demonstrate that these are not goals so much as reality? https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1280607381882314754
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@fluffypony @kevinmarks You’ll have to excuse my ignorance, but I’m trying to grasp what IndieWeb is. At first glance it looks like Disqus, or maybe Geocities, or maybe webrings, or maybe a mix of all of those. It’s a little difficult to parse what it *is* from the lofty goals on the front page. (twitter.com/_/status/1280607381882314754)
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@aaronpk ↩️ the indieweb is people! this might be a bit more concrete https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started (twitter.com/_/status/1280613252280377345)
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[jgmac1106] ... What if those are goals... The world he describes sounds so whimsically messy
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gRegorLove what is indieweb?
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Loqi The IndieWeb is a community of individual personal websites, connected by simple standards, based on the principles of owning your domain, using it as your primary identity, to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and own your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
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[jgmac1106] But I kinda like, "Have a domain and website? That's IndieWeb enough for me. Want to go further? Bunch of IndieWeb Building Blocks to turn the www into social media We control"
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[jgmac1106] We own. We control. We connect. The www of IndieWeb
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Indieweb is at heart a group of people encouraging you to have your own website. You can make it however you want, which is why we mention lots of ways. If you want to connect your website with other people's we have examples and tools and code to do that too. (twitter.com/_/status/1280624291386740742)
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petermolnar [jgmac1106]: please make a soviet aesthetics t-shirt design with "We own. We control. We connect. We are IndieWeb" slogen.
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[Jose_Leiva] +1
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aaronpk not the worst idea https://twitter.com/andrewtj/status/1280633574215958528
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@andrewtj @kevinmarks @aaronpk @fluffypony That first sentence ought to be front and centre on http://indieweb.org :) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcW4VEyUMAARNR3.png (twitter.com/_/status/1280633574215958528)
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@andrewtj ↩️ That first sentence ought to be front and centre on http://indieweb.org :) (twitter.com/_/status/1280633574215958528)
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[KevinMarks] If you think it's good copy, use it
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Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "Jul 15, 2020 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club West Coast" changed description "Sarah Hibner as co-host!" https://events.indieweb.org/event/114/history/439/diff
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[chrisaldrich] Who was hosting http://homebrewwebsite.club/? Looks like it's down....
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sknebel it points at the same server as indieweb.org. which probably doesn't know what to do with that
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aaronpk oh i think that got transferred to me
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aaronpk i should just make it redirect to https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc
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Loqi I agree
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+325) "/* Gardens & Streams II */ potential dates in August / September 2020" (view diff)
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@namlerhq @wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" https://buff.ly/3b8wAsO #startup (twitter.com/_/status/1280651067517284355)