#meta 2020-07-17

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Loqi [New Event] boffosocko.com created "Aug 22, 2020 11:00am Santa Clarita Valley WordPress Meetup: Using WordPress to own your online data & social media presence" https://events.indieweb.org/SRTciSsJrPKq
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Loqi [Event Updated] boffosocko.com updated "Aug 22, 2020 11:00am Santa Clarita Valley WordPress Meetup: Using WordPress to own your online data & social media presence" changed description "corrected heading format" https://events.indieweb.org/event/130/history/461/diff
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boffosocko.com edited /website-analytics (+143) "/* Fathom */ IndieWeb Wiki example" (view diff)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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jacky.wtf edited /Micropub-extensions (+51) "/* Query for Category/Tag List */ add Koype and its editor as supporters for tag lookups" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /email (+1944) "Email as a way to get comments - added after recent popularity surge" (view diff)
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Zegnat Finally got around to documenting those, so now I get to mark them as read in my feed reader, haha
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vanderven.se martijn edited /email (+835) "/* As Commenting */ Add 2015 example of Motherboard shutting down comments in favour of email h/t {{petermolnar}}" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /email (+754) "/* Examples */ Add Vince. Add the probable inspiration for Vince: Chris. Chris’ blog post actually has all the same links as me…" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn edited /PaaS (+270) "Adding some self-hosted PaaS here, lest I forget their names <em>again</em>" (view diff)
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vanderven.se martijn moved /dokku to /Dokku "Proper noun starting with a capital letter, according to their own site"
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, these links via Zegnat indicate a rise for using email for commenting. Might be worth documenting your set up as a means of closing the loop on RSS->email->comment->display? https://indieweb.org/email#As_Commenting
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat++ for documentations!
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: I haven't used it much in a few years.. would like to reimplement it in a friendlier manner
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[chrisaldrich] moving to #indieweb which seems more appropriate for the design portion...
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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[chrisaldrich] I tweaked my post so the photo on the DoOO hopefully won't show up (at least until after the newsletter). Odd though that the WordPress editor I'm using will remove a <data> link from my post if I'm not careful...
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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tantek.com edited /Category:jargon (+10) "+RSS" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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[jgmac1106] chrisaldrich do you think I should send any of the posts about camp to the Newsletter???...I have a few but the websites are just getting going
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[chrisaldrich] It would be cool to see a weekly roundup post about them maybe? That would show some interesting growth over the coming month.
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[jgmac1106] yeah good idea...do a post like that.
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[jgmac1106] rather than the dailies.
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[tantek] huh, no photos in newsletter, did something break or did we all forget to upload?
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[jgmac1106] no they are on events.indieweb.org
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[chrisaldrich] I see at least three photos....
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[Ana_Rodrigues] I remember clicking on an earlier version of the newsletter earlier today and it had photos
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[Ana_Rodrigues] also, yeah, I see photos too
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[chrisaldrich] I removed the featured photo for the DoOO event earlier to make room for all the people.
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[chrisaldrich] I have an alternate photo of Wednesday that includes you tantek if you want me to replace the earlier one?
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[chrisaldrich] Maybe you're thinking that because Aaron moved the upcoming events to be above the recent events last week?
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[tantek] and apparently I can't scroll 🤦‍♂️
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[tantek] sure [chrisaldrich]!
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[tantek] why did we re-order? starting with photos much more appealing than starting with wall of text & links
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Jul 22, 2020 5:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed location_name, code_of_conduct_url "remove unnecessary "Online" venue name, add CoC" https://events.indieweb.org/event/123/history/462/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 5, 2020 5:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed location_name, code_of_conduct_url "remove redundant online venue, add CoC" https://events.indieweb.org/event/124/history/463/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Aug 19, 2020 5:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed location_name, code_of_conduct_url "rm redundant venue online, add CoC" https://events.indieweb.org/event/125/history/464/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Sep 2, 2020 5:30pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham" changed location_name, code_of_conduct_url "rm redundant venue online, add CoC" https://events.indieweb.org/event/126/history/465/diff
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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[chrisaldrich] part of the reordering was for people who were apparently unsubscribing because their primary need was for upcoming events over other data iirc
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[chrisaldrich] I think the discussion around it was last thursday in #indieweb-meta?
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[chrisaldrich] The other big change was the pruning down of the wiki changes section, though I sort of miss that part, which was the most useful to me. Fortunately there's another place to review over it, though having the historical weekly record would be nice (and easier to find).
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[chrisaldrich] The next several HWC Wests are in the schedule but don't have hosts, so if you'd like to volunteer, there are spots open: cc: tantek, [hibs], [gRegorLove], Salt, GWG, jacky, et al.
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Salt[m] thanks for the ping!
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Salt[m] I'm hosting another meeting next week at that time
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] "their primary need was for upcoming events" were any of them actually showing up? If not, then does it really matter to tune the newsletter for them?
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[tantek] I still think that's a massive presentational mistake
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Salt[m] might be able to do the one after, July 29, I have this reading group for another few weeks, thus not making them
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[tantek] ok I don't understand, the current code in GitHub still generates Recent Events *before* Upcoming Events: https://github.com/indieweb/this-week/blob/master/generate-events-summary.php
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[tantek] aaronpk, can we please revert to showing Recent Events before Upcoming Events so we get the photos at the top? That's kinda newsletter design 101 type stuff
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[tantek] And that was a deliberate design choice up front
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[chrisaldrich] Thanks Salt! I think I've got something next Wednesday myself.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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aaronpk wait wait we had a whole thing about this lol
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aaronpk also i don't think optimizing for people who are showing up is the right call, if we're specifically hearing people asking to see upcoming events and then aren't showing up, maybe that's something we should fix
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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GWG Am I now an honorary west coaster?
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aaronpk geography doesn't matter anymore
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@bmann ↩️ federation! Just like running your own blog, can we get Devs hosting their own Git + mini community? Social layer is key. ActivityPub and IndieWeb could help. (twitter.com/_/status/1284218756714110977)
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[chrisaldrich] What is circadianrhythm? 😉 That's probably how we should be operating for online events maybe?
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[tantek] aaronpk, I recall talking about wiki edits/updates/new pages
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[tantek] I don't remember any discussion / consensus about moving photos downward like that
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[tantek] That's the problem.
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[tantek] So yeah I'm saying let's revert that ASAP and then actually talk about it
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[tantek] What I would ask anyone unsubscribing is this, have you ever come to any IndieWeb event ever?
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[tantek] If the answer is no, then hate to say it, but re-ordering the newsletter is not going to make a difference
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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aaronpk i'll swap it back for now
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aaronpk but i'm pretty sure i heard that from several people at the last indiewebcamp
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[tantek] I think for any major changes like that where we're undoing a past deliberate design decision, it ought to be documented with specifics
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gRegorLove I wonder if a just-upcoming-events email would be useful to people
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aaronpk that was my other thought
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aaronpk and then i think tantek said not to do it :P
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gRegorLove There's the iCal, but that might be a bit dev-y for some people to use.
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michael-lewis.com edited /User:Michael-lewis.com (+104) "Added side project" (view diff)
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2020-07-03#t1593803374914200
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Loqi [[tantek]] aaronpk, can we work on reducing the noise instead? which parts are noisy? perhaps I can help with copy-editing / layout redesign
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[tantek] yeah I missed [chrisaldrich]'s comments about moving upcoming events to the top because I was actually off busy *creating* upcoming events (as noted in the logs)
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[tantek] otherwise I would have opposed that part entirely
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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[tantek] literally the photos are the least "noise" of anything in the newsletter
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[tantek] and aaronpk you never answered my question "which parts are noisy?"
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[tantek] 2 photos mostly the same on HWC West, going to edit out one
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[tantek] uh, no way to remove one of the photos?
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[tantek] aaronpk help
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[tantek] there's no way to remove the photo with fewer folks from https://events.indieweb.org/2020/07/homebrew-website-club-west-coast-UWgdEMwxDSQI
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aaronpk "edit responses" in the menu on the right
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[tantek] can't figure out how to only remove the photo
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aaronpk you can't, you can only remove the whole post
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aaronpk but that's fine cause the text of the post is just "homebrew website club" anyway
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aaronpk https://twitter.com/film_girl/status/1284237852444745728
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@film_girl Did a big DNS provider go down? Tons of websites are refusing to load across multiple devices, on LTE or on fiber... (twitter.com/_/status/1284237852444745728)
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[tantek] Cloudflare is out
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[tantek] ok aaronpk, deleted
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[tantek] odd that we don't get a 14:30 update of the newsletter
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[tantek] I suppose we get one at 14:50 anyway
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aaronpk i hope the outage doesn't affect the newsletter generation 😂
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[jgmac1106] I would go as far as saying one photo as u-featured gets added as OG meta... Pictures stay on top based on science of engagement
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[jgmac1106] But more work newsletter 5pm EoD...sometimes stressful... Thanks for all those who work so hard to get it out
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[jgmac1106] tantek++
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[jgmac1106] Chrisaldrich++
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-17.html (twitter.com/_/status/1284250285607550979)
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@ThomasDFish I miss the internet of 2005-2015: forums, blogs, peak-Tumblr, #IndieWeb, IRC, Instant Messengers. Everything has collapsed into the black hole of Facebook, Reddit, and Twitter. (twitter.com/_/status/1284249654641778695)
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gRegorLove should probably include timezone in email for upcoming events
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[tantek] lol newsletters are not blogs. also *link* to a newsletter depends on that newsletter having a *permalink* at which point it's a blog with email distribution
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gRegorLove ?
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gRegorLove or was that for someone else
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[tantek] the tweet ^