#meta 2020-07-03

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manton.org edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+16) "Adding +1 for Micropub pop-up." (view diff)
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GWG aaronpk: Changing the archiving instructions again
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david.shanske.com edited /remote_participation (+103) "/* Archiving */" (view diff)
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aaronpk oh?
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aaronpk nice
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GWG aaronpk: I noticed that most people do not rename the files to match the name of the archive entry.
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GWG I'm not going to go through and change the files, but it seems to make sense to suggest it going forward
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GWG aaronpk: Do you have the jpeg for the Indieweb zoom account? I don't know where we have a square one
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aaronpk oops yeah let me see
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GWG aaronpk: I figured I should stop being Not AaronPK in time for next week.
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GWG aaronpk: On the other accounts, are you turning them back off?
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GWG Have we already paid for the whole month?
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aaronpk for future reference it's in the indieweb-branding github
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GWG Okay. That's what I needed to know
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aaronpk yeah zoom doesn't prorate the accounts so we get 3 all month
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aaronpk or wait let me duble check
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GWG I was wondering if it is ethical to borrow one for an event next week.
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GWG I can put a few dollars into Open Collective to compensate
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GWG It is not an Indieweb thing per se
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aaronpk okay yes it's not prorated
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GWG Okay, as in, not unethical?
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aaronpk i suppose that's fine
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GWG Thank you.
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@benwerd Hold the phone! My favorite writing app (@iawriter) just added #indieweb micropub support, which means I can post from it directly to my @withknown site. That’s super-cool. (twitter.com/_/status/1278882085248176130)
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aaronpk !rt https://twitter.com/_/status/1278882085248176130
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Loqi Thanks! We need one more person to confirm the retweet!
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[chrisaldrich] Looks like a big week for the IndieWeb Newsletter!
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: What's next for you? Just relaxing?
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[chrisaldrich] Making some newsletter clean up edits. 😉
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[chrisaldrich] I was thinking a trip to Disneyland, but.....
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[chrisaldrich] Then I wan to work on some map tests, finish the work on post kinds update (finally); and then start planning a pop-up or two...
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[chrisaldrich] Any ideas beyond that and maybe a podcast recording?
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GWG I've been working hard all week. Want to relax, maybe try to figure out why people have map problems, maybe some more webmention code for pfefferle.
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@wolfwitte Bookmarked a post Indieweb: Bei anderen klappt’s auch nur zum Teil … https://couchblog.de/blog/2020/07/02/open-couchblog/ (twitter.com/_/status/1278915808526286850)
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boffosocko.com edited /codepen (+66) "linky; pagelogo; Category:silo" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /hallway_track (+207) "typo; see also links" (view diff)
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[jeremycherfas] Re review My belief is that in theory at an academic conference the work, rather than the person, was being assessed. Of course, in truth it may have been the person too. I wouldn’t necessarily want my conference swamped by recent creationists.
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jacky is very glad to see the category function of MediaWiki being used more
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jacky sharing that functionality with Wikipedia makes it a bit more intuitive for splunking and finding neighboring content
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boffosocko.com edited /2020/West/indiereads (+100) "redlink template to indie site; redlink templates; links" (view diff)
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@dcuttridge Apparently I can't be a member of IndieWeb because my website isn't on WordPress, Blogger or Micro? Is that for real, or am I missing something? (twitter.com/_/status/1279039403692822529)
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@vmarks ↩️ I need to set up an indieweb site. not sure where to start still. (twitter.com/_/status/1279041602850369537)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ you have a Domain and a URL. That's #IndieWeb enough IMO Lot of cool social features you can add to your site to go further. @microdotblog & @WordPress do the work but it just takes a bit of metadata in HTML (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/22KQe9) (twitter.com/_/status/1279047911964323846)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Really though a single HTML page can be an #IndieWeb blog, just takes a bit of metadata in your HTML. Stop by chat any time https://chat.indieweb.org and people will be happy to help you get started (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/1lGft1) (twitter.com/_/status/1279049385452744705)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Come to http://chat.indieweb.org and ask about it - there are lots of options from turnkey at http://micro.blog to various hosted options to just posting html to a server (twitter.com/_/status/1279049046645243905)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Get a domain and a website. If you want one with #IndieWeb building blocks built in @microdotblog is turnkey, @WordPress takes minimal set up @withknown and other Class take some technical knowledge to install and update. (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2266We) (twitter.com/_/status/1279048837538222080)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ You're already an indieweb member by having your own site. Have a look at https://indiewebify.me/ - it will walk you through how to add various things to your site to connect more easily with other indieweb members. (twitter.com/_/status/1279052002241191936)
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@petermolnar ↩️ Where did you get that info from? I'd like to correct it. indieweb is not cms dependent. There are elements, you use whatever you want. Some CMS has plugins made by the community, that's all. (twitter.com/_/status/1279053007041298437)
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jgmac1106 Hey all going to be making a new round of getting started videos for using SemPress. let me know if there are anythings you want me to highlight.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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[schmarty] yay jgmac1106 KevinMarks and petermolnar reaching out!
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: watch out for those "just"s. "just takes a bit of metadata in your HTML" 😅
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petermolnar nah, that just is ok. Seriously. HTML is simple.
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petermolnar (I know all the arguments, none of them makes HTML complicated)
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jgmac1106 yeah i was trying to get across a single file can be an IndieeWeb blog without getting too technical but just is a good word to add to easy
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@aaronpk ↩️ What on earth gave you that idea? If it's a page on the IndieWeb wiki we can definitely fix that. (twitter.com/_/status/1279068315227287559)
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[schmarty] there are only like 2 indieweb building blocks that are "just" markup in HTML. representative h-card, and marking up h-feed/h-entry.
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[schmarty] webmention, indieauth, and more require a service provider.
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@dcuttridge ↩️ I'm probably misunderstanding - https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started - the web services part is where I am/was getting confused! (twitter.com/_/status/1279072372599992320)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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jgmac1106 yep…but I can build a blog with "just" markup in HTML. representative h-card, and marking up h-feed/h-entry they are the big green lego peices you use as a base
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jgmac1106 but point taken it isn’t inclusive to refer to knowledge as simple, did start with microdotblog->Wp->Known->hand writing html
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jgmac1106 !tell mblaney does ihazawebsite have any social media accounts? How best to refer people? Feel like it is one of the unsung close to turnkey tools, plus the reader is already built it
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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jgmac1106 in*
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jgmac1106 How long until the newsletter gets published?
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jgmac1106 ohh I thought that was a prompt
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jgmac1106 !calc 2:00pm PDT to EDT
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Loqi 5:00:00 pm EDT | Friday, July 3, 2020
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jgmac1106 schmarty my “just” realizatiojn post: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2018/12/20/i-accidentally-built-a-free-blog-on-glitch-for-the
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Loqi [Greg McVerry] I accidentally built a free blog on @glitch for the #newwwyear challenge
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jgmac1106 darn my hands are bad today
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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@aaronpk ↩️ We've been working hard on fighting the idea that being on the IndieWeb is only if you build a website from scratch, so we may have gone a bit far in the opposite direction with that page. Will try to clear it up! (twitter.com/_/status/1279083522481729537)
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jgmac1106 ^^ Brainstorming and editing that page should be a pop up session…..thinking removing tutorials…the UI/UX chnages so much to keep them current
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boffosocko.com edited /Category:Schedule (+350) "notes about how to add schedules to this page; notes about how to add schedule lists to other pages" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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boffosocko.com created /Category:Organizing (+1559) "stub page; definition; lots 'o resources to make things easier for organizers to find and use!" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] Are there any other big organizing pages/resources that should be added to this ^^ page?
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[chrisaldrich] We've got so many different pages and templates strewn across the wiki, that we're long overdue to have them in one place.
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[chrisaldrich] Up next: perhaps an organizer's template to make finding, accessing, and updating many of these resources in a simple manner?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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[schmarty] jgmac1106: to be honest i think that post would be very hard to understand for someone who doesn't already understand several indieweb building blocks!
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jgmac1106 yeah went to go look for it, as I remember when it showed in my reader and I was lie “wow cool” but lot of baked in prior knowledge
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jgmac1106 kinda gets back to the whole three column redesign and not just the getting started page
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jgmac1106 hoping I can get a post up for newsleter…five week online classes are a bear....
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boffosocko.com edited /Category:Organizers_Meetups (-19) "Undo revision 71143 by [[Special:Contributions/Boffosocko.com|Boffosocko.com]] ([[User talk:Boffosocko.com|talk]])" (view diff)
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[KevinMarks] Looks like whim needs a <dfn>
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Loqi [KevinMarks]: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 1 day, 18 hours ago: definitely worth asking https://editoy.com/app to support Micropub. They're already saying "Write once, publish anywhere. Medium, Wordpress, Tumblr, Facebook, Twitter, or any other blogs that support standard blog APIs such as MetaWeblog and AtomPub." If they had micropub, it would give them a lot more customers. If you make a request, I'm sure some of us would be happy to +1.
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[chrisaldrich] what is whim?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/Whim
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[chrisaldrich] what is whim?
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Loqi Whim is a command-line program and Unix daemon for sending, receiving, managing, and displaying webmentions https://indieweb.org/Whim
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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@kisik21 This is what happens when you accidentally feed incorrect post data to #Blogblaze and the h-entry template rendering fails. #webdevelopment #frontend #Deno #webdesign #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1279113315222986753)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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[tantek] what no tag cloud at https://events.indieweb.org/tag/ ? 🙂
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aaronpk https://events.indieweb.org/tags
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[tantek] ok that's just a minor lack of redirect bug then, will file
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[tantek] reads scrollback
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aaronpk is not a fan of "pure" REST URL design, but would consider redirecting /tag to /tags to enable URL hacking
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[tantek] yeah just that 😉
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[tantek] "just" is never appropriate when referring to an act of coding. Way too easy to lose sight of all the context that comes into play for "just" a few characters, a line, a few lines of code etc. it always sounds like it's trivializing the other person's struggles, whether you intended to or not. I'm still unlearning incorrect use of "just" in this way as well. Good reminder
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] strongly disagreed about a pop-up to "fix" Getting Started. That kind of quick fix approach rarely works to actually improve things that have taken A LOT of considered thought and improvement to get to where they are.
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[tantek] Typically what happens is a such a documentation "sprint" fixes something for *one* audience, and then screws it up for all the other audiences that all the previous careful incremental work went into.
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[tantek] Also please don't treat Pop-ups as reactive panaceas to problems, that's not the point of Pop-ups as far as I understand it.
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jgmac1106 I didn’t mean quick…I meant it would take longer than some quick edits, some enaged conversations, the format was to make it longer and slower
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[tantek] The point of Pop-ups is when there is an emergent *set* of people (not just one) that want to discuss a particular topic for whatever reasoning they have.
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[tantek] Not for a "leader" to recruit volunteers to go fix something. That sounds like something else.
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jgmac1106 I meant “hey we have this idea and wanna work on something who else wants to work on it” more a topical focused session rather than “pop up"
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[tantek] Also, we already know the answer if you're looking to work on it
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[tantek] what is three column
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/three_column
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tantek.com edited /three_column (-6) "r--" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is three column
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Loqi 2019/homepage is a project to update the IndieWeb community homepage in 2019, in particular with a three column layout designed for onboarding three common sets of visitors and new IndieWeb community members https://indieweb.org/three_column
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jgmac1106 yeah I actually mentioned the three column approach…while suggesting the session on Getting Started
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[tantek] ^^^ that's the answer to solving the problem that was pointed out. not a sprint on /Getting_Started
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jgmac1106 cool I look forward to your edits, I got to get back to work now
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[tantek] if there are point fixes / improvements / copy-edits we can make to Getting Started to improve how well it reaches even more audiences then great, that's worth working on
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[tantek] but as far as rallying folks, we really need that more on /three_column overall than on point fixes to /Getting_Started
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[tantek] energy is good, gotta direct it where it will help the most
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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aaronpk i would really rather not look at a giant photo of meat, [chrisaldrich] do you mind if i remove your photo from the event page?
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[chrisaldrich] please do aaronpk 😂
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aaronpk that was...unpleasant :)
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[tantek] wat the wat
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aaronpk from the "eat your own cooking" event
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[tantek] oh no
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jgmac1106 trying to finish up the day early so I can get a blog post before newsletter, not trying to be short, just short of time
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[chrisaldrich] it was overly large, wasn't it....
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[tantek] ^ -> chat please
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aaronpk it was literally a very large photo of several different kinds of raw meat on a table next to a loaf of bread
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[tantek] [Ana_Rodrigues] [calumryan] is there a HWC London next week?
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[tantek] GWG, can I convince you to be backup host (in case no one else does it) for HWC West next week?
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[tantek] we need to get these created ASAP to get them in the newsletter!
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Hello! Yes there is. I will create the event tomorrow
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[tantek] Thanks [Ana_Rodrigues] I'll create and put you down as host 🙂
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GWG [tantek]: I have a 7pm, but I should be done
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aaronpk speaking of newsletters, I'm thinking about making a secondary abbreviated version of the newsletter with just events in it, mayyyybe also the indienews posts
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, I would offer, but it's my birthday and I think my family has other plans for me that I'm not supposed to know about...
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GWG Happy birthday
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aaronpk i've heard some feedback that the current ones are too noisy, so people unsubscribe, but then are sad that they don't see the upcoming events
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[tantek] Thanks GWG
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[tantek] aaronpk, can we work on reducing the noise instead? which parts are noisy? perhaps I can help with copy-editing / layout redesign
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[chrisaldrich] aaronpk, maybe just feature the upcoming events at the top? followed by newer news, then past events/photos (to hold interest), and then the rest at the bottom. No one forces one to read the entire thing....
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aaronpk i think once it gets into the wiki pages and edits it's diminishing returns
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: that's the order it's in!
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aaronpk oh wait no, upcoming events are below recent events
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[chrisaldrich] it starts with recent events, not upcoming events....
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aaronpk so maybe that's at least a good thing to swap
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GWG It's my anniversary next week
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GWG Ten years of podcasting
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[tantek] whoa! amazing!
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[tantek] ok HWC London and West events created
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[tantek] for next week
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[tantek] should we create them more than a week in advance so their tag pages show a progression? what do folks think? [Ana_Rodrigues] [calumryan] GWG [chrisaldrich]?
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[tantek] E.g. https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwclondon only shows one event so it feels weird (less motivated?) to subscribe to the ICS
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GWG I think we should for planning
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GWG Anyone want to +1 a session? https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-up/Sessions
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, that's also a good question to ask in #indieweb
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jacky.wtf edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+21) "/* Micropub */ joining popup session" (view diff)
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jacky.wtf edited /2020/Pop-up/Sessions (+99) "/* Interest */ adding to interest" (view diff)
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[tantek] Yeah "Tutorials" is a bad heading / framing, it implies that if something doesn't have a tutorial then there's no path there, which is false
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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[tantek] changing "Tutorials" to a more CTA "Get your own site"
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jacky ^
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[tantek] photos looking good in the newsletter!
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aaronpk hey check this out, open collective can sell event tickets now
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aaronpk https://docs.opencollective.com/help/collectives/events
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aaronpk i think we should use this for the next IWC
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[tantek] playing with the phrase "IndieWeb self-starter"
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[tantek] instead of developer
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+707) "rename Tutorials to Get your own site, summarize three paths (with their own options) accordingly and link to them" (view diff)
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[tantek] ^^^ aaronpk, petermolnar, [jgmac1106], [KevinMarks] please review (since y'all replied to that twitter thread)
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+202) "/* Get your own site */ add forwards from services to CMS, and CMS to self-starters in case someone lands there and feels too "limited"" (view diff)
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@ChrisAldrich I'm planning on setting up up a regularly recurring Domain of One's Own focused online meetup in the mold of Homebrew Website Clubs or WordPress meetups. #DoOO #IndieWeb #EdTech #PhDChat https://boffosocko.com/2020/07/03/55773093/ (twitter.com/_/status/1279139568961241089)
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[tantek] The big change is I replaced the "Tutorials" heading with https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started#Get_your_own_site and subsequent summary of three paths for folks to choose frome
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[KevinMarks] Broadly looks good - might be worth adding a section and link to static site generators as we have setup and users for several of those
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+532) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] I've added a west coast HWC for 7/15, so we've got at least 2 weeks on the board there.
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@johanbove @jbaert Ben een fan. Kende je het Indieweb eigenlijk al? Een intro: https://indiewebify.me/ (twitter.com/_/status/1279144987880546304)
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@johanbove ↩️ Ik dacht, waarom heeft Jeroen een mooie domein naam maar nog geen webmentions of doet hij niet aan POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1279146181000658947)
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@johanbove ↩️ Mooie wiki met veel informatie over Indieweb tech: https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1279145971499352065)
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@johanbove ↩️ Indieweb is een verzamelbak met meerdere technologieen die op het "oude" web werken. Alles nog mooi TCP en HTTP. Dat is peer-to-peer en is hernoemd naar hyperdrive -> zie http://beakerbrowser.com (twitter.com/_/status/1279145728787582977)
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[tantek] Thanks [chrisaldrich]. I do think it helps to have multiple meetups as "upcoming" in the newsletter
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@johanbove ↩️ Informatie hoe je Indieweb integreert met WordPress: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/1279149377873944577)
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html
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tantek.com edited /Getting_Started (+53) "/* Get your own site */ Everything else is optional awesomeness" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Getting_Started (+60) "link to CMS (to overcome jargon); see also: move category out of section; add quick start link" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Planning (+90) "High holidays for 2020" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Planning (-354) "Removed Online planning that contained dates for early 2019" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Planning (+775) "/* 2020 */ Stub to begin organizing 2020/East Online ;)" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, [jgmac1106], [jgarber], [schmarty], and anyone else interested in mounting a 2020/East camp potentially similar in shape to 2020/West I've started a stub on /Planning to begin brainstorming for the Fall. Feel free to flesh out dates that do/don't work. If you're interested in attending, you can also add your +1/0/-1 for particular dates too: https://indieweb.org/Planning#North_America_East_.28Online.29
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[chrisaldrich] the more organizers the merrier!
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david.shanske.com edited /Planning (+10) "/* North America East (Online) */" (view diff)
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Are we going to be the organizers of everything?
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[chrisaldrich] We don't have to be, but if it helps others get the ball rolling... I'd rather help pitch in for a smaller part of an upcoming "big" camp to spend some time focusing on some smaller pop-ups.
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[chrisaldrich] But if we (as a group) would like something bigger in the fall, it will at least help to begin doing a date search now.
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[chrisaldrich] Besides, I'm starting to burn out on my "West" reflection post and have been procrastinating by cleaning up portions of the wiki.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: To be honest, that was what I was doing at West...trying to announce East
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GWG I am not the most charismatic sort
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[chrisaldrich] You may notice there are many fewer /Special:WantedTemplates today than there were yesterday.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG you have tons of charisma. Don't sell yourself short.
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GWG I'm no [jgmac1106]. But not many are.
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GWG Either way, excited to see if I can push East and Popups
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2020-07-03.html (twitter.com/_/status/1279176858882330624)
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@ChrisAldrich One of my favorite parts about the IndieWeb? All the smiling faces of the people who are participating in a people-first re-imagining of the Internet. https://boffosocko.com/2020/07/03/55773104/ (twitter.com/_/status/1279180031588134913)
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[schmarty] chrisaldrich++ thanks!
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@practicing_dsgn It’s one of my favorite parts so far too @ChrisAldrich! I feel so inspired after last weekend’s #IndieWeb Camp West! (twitter.com/_/status/1279181111583596544)
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@megarush1024 I bit the bullet and switched the server that’s going to hold all the Indieweb apps from Linode to Digital Ocean. Everything’s infinitely more accessible over there with regard to their control panel. I’m to the point where I’m setting up DNS for the… https://www.arush.io/archives/100085/2020/07/03/18/15/ (twitter.com/_/status/1279191994649186304)
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