#meta 2020-09-16

2020-09-16 UTC
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[jgmac1106] Tantek was waiting to see if you did a Blocktober post or made a wiki page... But happy to start promoting Blocktober as a thing... Though I am going with through Election Day for democracies sake (sorry US centric)
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[tantek] makes sense, I figure most people will vote in October anyway by mail
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] for now I'd say follow [manton]'s lead
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[tantek] If I started writing a blog post about I expect I might overthink it and it may take me too long so don't wait 🙂
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[tantek] GWG, take a look? https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/10
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Loqi [tantek] #10 Create CONTRIBUTING.md
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[tantek] (if it looks good, feel free to merge & delete fork)
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[tantek] also this should be pretty straightforward: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/9
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Loqi [tantek] #9 see whatwg for their copyright
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[tantek] (same meta-comment as 10)
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/9
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[tantek] GWG, that's fair, in this case this is fairly boilerplate-ish CONTRIBUTING.md that just refers to the existing README for license info
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[tantek] every GitHub projects (that wants to encourage contributions) should have a CONTRIBUTING.md that explains any requirements, in this case it's often easier to just refer to the README
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GWG Okay then.
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[tantek] it's no problem, I can wait for aaronpk to review
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[tantek] if you're unsure, better to not approve than approve for expediency
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[tantek] that was more me trying to explain what's going on rather than trying to justify/extract a review, to be clear
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GWG So, is there an HWC West Coast tomorrow night?
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[tantek] sort of, delayed start in order to give the TSD Q&A an hour beforehand
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[tantek] I bumped it to 18:30 PDT
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GWG Okay
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@jsonbecker Blocktober is an idea I can get behind. Especially given how prone I am to doomscrolling in the lead up to an election that will have ridiculously high stakes. https://www.manton.org/2020/09/15/from-the-indieweb.html (twitter.com/_/status/1306056725364199424)
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GWG I have another attempt to improve my Zoom game to test
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Loqi [github] Pull request merged by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/10
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@idban_com @wencesg says: "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms, but there is a movement called the #IndieWeb that understands you're done with others owning your content and your identity!" https://buff.ly/3gZgrIt #startup (twitter.com/_/status/1306121644541444096)
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Ruxton "we're facing the unethical evolution of many social platforms" <-- people always seem to miss the point, we're not facing it, we're knee deep in it and have been for over 10 years
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Ruxton also, you'd think if you were writing about how good something was, youd have support for it :/
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@ruxton ↩️ people always seem to miss the point that we're not facing it, we're knee deep in it and have been for over 10 years. @wencesg there's some irony to writing a "support the indieweb" post on a site that doesn't really support any of indieweb "social trimmings" too. :/ (twitter.com/_/status/1306125313559027712)
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@_Phelan_ ↩️ Hmm, én meg lassan de biztosan lépkedek az indieweb meg függetlenedés felé :D (szerintem a microusb-usb C váltás meg bőven nem történt meg, főleg, h perifériák jelentősebbik része még nem C, ahogy elnéztem). (twitter.com/_/status/1306185104176410624)
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petermolnar huh
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petermolnar fellow Hungarian
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@petermolnar ↩️ Ha akad valami kérdésed indiewebbel, szólj :) https://chat.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/1306188025962131456)
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[jgmac1106] @jaimetanna [James_Gallaghe] want to replace HWC in two weeks with the social screening? Working on a Blocktober post
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[jgmac1106] draft of Blocktober post let me know what people think: https://jgregorymcverry.com/Blocktober
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[James_Gallaghe] [jgmac1106] I’ll give it a read.
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[James_Gallaghe] Quick heads up: the last list has an erroneous <li> element: “Get a blog. Share your passion li>”
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@gergolippai ↩️ ez egy altalanos velekedes, amit nyilvan a nagy cegek nem sietnek debunkolni, de nekem relative egyszeruen ment Nextcloudra valtani Google Docs-rol. ha van szandek es van egy kis idod, remek "indieweb" (thx @_Phelan_ ) rendszert lehet csinalni. (twitter.com/_/status/1306237580460130304)
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[jgmac1106] thx James fixing now
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[fluffy] *typos (yay irony)
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[fluffy] [jgmac1106] there’s a bunch of tops scattered throughout. I’d recommend running a spell checker.
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Loqi 😄
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[jgmac1106] Thanks I always forget in sublime. I proofread after publishing, to a fault,
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[kimberlyhirsh] Is Blocktober focused primarily on Facebook? There's that "other social networks" bit at the beginning of the post.
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Loqi [kimberlyhirsh]: [chrisaldrich] left you a message on 2020-07-30 at 8:18pm UTC: Since you're regularly updating your user page, would you consider adding yourselves as examples at https://indieweb.org/wikifying#IndieWeb_Examples ?
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[chrisaldrich] [kimberlyhirsh]++
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by strugee: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/11
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Loqi [Event Updated] ohhelloana.blog updated "Sep 16, 2020 7:00pm ONLINE: Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/150/history/594/diff
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[tantek] [kimberlyhirsh] I think it is focused primarily on the most harmful social sites, in this case Facebook itself, and frankly I would add YouTube as well.
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[tantek] Folks have suggested including Instagram in that as well, though my experience with IG is quite different than the harms pointed out about FB and YT
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[jgmac1106] take the action that is right for you, any kind of stance is good
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[tantek] Right. Would you consider listing YouTube in the top of your post too [jgmac1106]?
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[tantek] I feel that's where a lot of misinformation / conspiracy theories and misleading political ads are
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[jgmac1106] just one day: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/16/913466191/celebs-disdain-facebook-and-instagram-for-a-day well I am bias been trying to move my videos of YouTube but lazy...and my kids mess with recommendation engine..if it meant no more Brent and Alexa Riveria..in a heart beat
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[jgmac1106] I am mainly targeting FB because I am angry. They have had four years to work on this and it got worse WhatsAPP scares me the most
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[jgmac1106] tantek what I have been tracking today are the number of right wing media outlets that use just enough of a conspiracy theory in their lede....
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[tantek] that sounds more like #indieweb-chat
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[jgmac1106] think I am just tired of saying disinformation is a web problem...it is right wing web problem.
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[tantek] yeah definitely -> #indieweb-chat please
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[jgmac1106] yeah I am too busy anyway but would love to chat...been digging into research
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[jgmac1106] will catch up later
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[tantek] Who wants to give an Ignite talk at Long Now in October? Proposals accepted until the 27th! Form proposal: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfjULdO5BUBORxCHYtC0h3cIHSKZMxFjtGY9d-HZuo9tt_aPA/viewform?gxids=7628
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[tantek] until the 27th of September to be clear
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[jgmac1106] <-- cool I am on it my last IndieWeb lighting talk was on flaming tubas
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[jgmac1106] it was a pecha flikcr talk...twenty random slides...the audience picked word tuba...one of them was flaming...kinda turned into conference thing
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[tantek] [aaronpk] [mJordan] [jacky] [schmarty] [benatwork] ^^^ you'd be great for an Ignite talk for Long Now!
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aaronpk virtual event presumable?
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aaronpk y
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[schmarty] 👀
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[tantek] yeah
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GWG Ignite?
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GWG Need references
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[schmarty] GWG: there's a description of how Ignite works in the google form that tantek linked above. looks like submitters need to be Long Now members. (i'm not one. i've considered it several times but it always felt like a lot of money for some reason...)
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[tantek] GWG, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignite_(event)
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[tantek] Ah I wish there was a way for a member to sponsor a submission instead of submitting one themselves!
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GWG This is a bad time to have something called Ignite
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Loqi [github] Pull request opened by tantek: https://github.com/indieweb/spec.indieweb.org/pull/12
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[chrisaldrich] [Sarah_Dillon]++ for wikifying!!
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[tantek] [jgmac1106] your post https://jgregorymcverry.com/Blocktober is looking good. I'd say worth launching before 17:30 PDT / 20:30 EDT the TSD Q&A
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[tantek] The hashtag seems to be mixed https://twitter.com/hashtag/blocktober
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[tantek] Seems it is also an indie gamer thing about posting "blockouts" of levels being designed: https://twitter.com/BlocktoberLD/status/1301263926106009600
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@BlocktoberLD For any #gamedev new to #blocktober, here’s a brief rundown of what it’s shaped into over the last few years: - Post “blockouts” of levels you’ve worked on during October - Could be old work, could be new, could be just for Blocktober, could be unfinished - Have fun! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eg8EpOHUMAEzdIn.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1301263926106009600)
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[tantek] Though here's a prior tweet about using it for "cleaning up your socials" https://twitter.com/nguyeningit/status/1301641884683493376
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@nguyeningit #Blocktober : cleaning up your socials. Think about it 😅 31 accounts/31 days that you don't need in your life. Also, you could just draw blocks for 31 days. #Schlocktober: 31 drawings based on the worst films ever (twitter.com/_/status/1301641884683493376)
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[tantek] Interested in what people think about the ethics of re-using a hashtag like that, though it's not used by many people, and they seem to be using it throughout the year (does seem to be a thing for at least a couple of years though)
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[chrisaldrich] Side benefit of Blocktober: there are already sweatshirts https://twitter.com/Dmarcus22/status/1304915222923182087
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@Dmarcus22 Tuesday 8pm EST the restock. #Blocktober https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehv9enWXkAo-lni.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1304915222923182087)
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[chrisaldrich] Ethically it's a tough thing to take over or potentially drown out a small community hashtag, especially one that has big use for a month with smaller use throughout a year...
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[chrisaldrich] Though if the alternate one-time use was for a really good cause, it might also bring some attention to the smaller community? I'm trying to think of other examples but nothing quickly comes to mind.
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[chrisaldrich] The only thing that quickly comes to mind is the fringe sound-o-philes who are talking about microsub(woofers), though that isn't hashtag specific.