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[chrisaldrich] commonplace book << Example in the wild of a WordPress site: https://neilcommonplacebook.wordpress.com/about-2/
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Loqi ok, I added "Example in the wild of a WordPress site: https://neilcommonplacebook.wordpress.com/about-2/" to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76745&oldid=76600
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tantek.com edited /robots_txt (+1) "/* See Also */ https" (view diff)
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[tantek] heads-up folks, I know we've been preferring Twitch for livestreaming (for folks that don't have streaming from their own website aaronpk 😛 ) — however, there's a boycott going on for Twitch's lack of responsiveness to calls for safety of streamers: https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1032873942/twitch-boycott-hate-raid-attacks (TW: racism, racist remarks)
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aaronpk I don't think we have streamed on twitch in quite some time
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aaronpk indiewebcamps that is
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aaronpk IIRC maybe one or two a few years ago when we first started talking about not using youtube, then we switched to the DIY one at https://indieweb.live and my plan for the next time we need to do that is to install OwnCast on https://indieweb.live
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[tantek] there's guidance on our wiki to use Twitch
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tantek.com edited /streaming (+4) "link Twitch" (view diff)
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[tantek] what is streaming
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Loqi streaming is a method of content delivery where the user can start viewing or listening to media without downloading the entire file in advance https://indieweb.org/streaming
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[tantek] what is live streaming
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Loqi live streaming is the practice of streaming media (mostly audio or video) live as the captured event is happening https://indieweb.org/live_streaming
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[tantek] ^^^ why do we have two? aaronpk or someone else with expertise in (live) streaming, can we converge these two? aaronpk?
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aaronpk haha i think you were the one who insisted on keeping them separate
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aaronpk streaming was for the case of streaming prerecorded content rather than having to download the whole thing, then live streaming came along later where the content is also produced live
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tantek.com edited /photography_policy (+12) "link Twitch" (view diff)
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[tantek] gah ok
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aaronpk IMO these days the original page on "streaming" isn't really necessary since it's not particularly novel anymore. in 2016 when it was created I think it may have been more relevant as a standalone page
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[tantek] should it just be a section of /video then?
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[tantek] I think current content of /streaming is all video, nothing about audio-specific streaming
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aaronpk that could work
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boffosocko.com edited /community (+26) "added inclusive and supportive to definition" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /community (-26) "we should demonstrate this first, before claiming to be it in a dfn. Undo revision 76751 by [[Special:Contributions/Boffosocko.com|Boffosocko.com]] ([[User talk:Boffosocko.com|talk]])" (view diff)
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[tantek] we're not quite there [chrisaldrich] as much as we'd like to be
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[tantek] e.g. claiming to be inclusive then having photos with 90%+ white or white-passing folks does not show inclusivity sorry to say
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[chrisaldrich] signaling that it is a goal is certainly worthy though....
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[tantek] sure, documenting our intentions is worth doing later in that page
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[tantek] including specific impacts we would like to have (keynotes, speakers, participants etc.)
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[tantek] we certainly don't want to do what most corps are doing with big splashy BLM or inclusivity statements, then no actual follow-up on hiring, promoting, exec-hiring, board seats etc.
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[tantek] that's in many ways worse
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[tantek] talking about it, pretending as if that's progress when materially it's not progress at all
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[tantek] to be clear, I'm open to other language that says how we take deliberate steps to be more open / inclusive, but it must include those actions rather than just claiming we are or intend or want to be "inclusive".
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[chrisaldrich] definitely.
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[tantek] hey aaronpk, how can we figure out new & total wiki users for 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020? to help fill out /community#Wiki_Users
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aaronpk i think there are some mediawiki specialpages that can show that?
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[tantek] yeah I was going to dig
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[tantek] aaronpk, lol no there's SQL query in the comments
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[tantek] can you run this?
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[tantek] SELECT CONCAT("|",YEAR(user_registration),"\n|",COUNT(1),"\n|-") AS line FROM user GROUP BY YEAR(user_registration)
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[tantek] attempts human SQL injection 😛
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tantek.com edited /community (+237) "/* Wiki Users */ add 2017 & 2018 manually, along with Special: page in comments for doing it again manually. slower than a SQL query for sure" (view diff)
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[tantek] there I did two years by hand. let's see what the SQL query returns
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tantek.com edited /gov-uk-community-development-framework (+415) "new dfn specific to page, better headings" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /community_brainstorming (+185) "stub with minimal dfn, see also" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /community-brainstorming (-15) "redir to higher level page" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Twitch (+190) "prompted by [tantek], stub with dfn and IndieWeb relevancee" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Twitch (+266) "[tantek] added "Criticism: 2021-09-01 boycott. (link Content Warning: racism and racist remarks) NPR: [https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1032873942/twitch-boycott-hate-raid-attacks Twitch Users Are Boycotting Over Attacks Targeting Black, Queer And Disabl..." (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /streaming (+420) "tighten up dfn, clarify how live streaming is different, fix Twitch example, clarify YouTube" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /live_stream (+28) "r" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /live_streaming (+228) "tighten up dfn, clarify how streaming is different, improve examples a bit" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /streaming (+2) "or" (view diff)
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[tantek] ok tried to better distinguish /streaming vs /live_streaming. Take a look folks and see if those definitions make more sense than before, and if it's easier to spot the differences with the links back/forth right after the dfn
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tantek.com edited /Twitch (+68) "link term, see also legal, move criticism to its own section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /site-deaths (+4) "link Twitch" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] commonplace book << [Thinking about tools for Thought](https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/), a podcast series started on 2021-08-28 about tools in digital garden related spaces.
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Loqi ok, I added "[Thinking about tools for Thought](https://thinkingabouttoolsforthought.com/), a podcast series started on 2021-08-28 about tools in digital garden related spaces." to the "See Also" section of /commonplace_book https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=76767&oldid=76745
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aaronpk ahh i forgot about the sql
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aaronparecki.com edited /community (+48) (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk++ thanks!
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Loqi aaronpk has 16 karma in this channel over the last year (117 in all channels)
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[tantek] looks like 2014 was a peak year, then new members dipped til 2017 (that was a sad/overwhelming year for many), then have gradually crept up since
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[tantek] aaronpk, why didn't cumulative update for 2019 and 2020?
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aaronpk the sql query didn't return it and i didn't add them up manually
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aaronpk looks like this is where that column was added https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=community&diff=35672&oldid=35656
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aaronpk let's see if i can do this in sql
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aaronparecki.com edited /community (+99) "update with cumulative totals" (view diff)
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aaronpk nice
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tantek.com edited /year_in_review (+110) "How to / How to update / IndieWeb community page, ping aaronpk" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2020-review (+2744) "clone from 2019" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2021-review (+2795) "cloned from 2020" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2020-review (+0) "fixed a 2019->2020" (view diff)
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[tantek] we have a lot of gardening / creating metaphors in IndieWeb principles etc. I'm wondering if we could also use some number of sailing / exploring metaphors, for folks that find that appealing
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[tantek] maybe this is a personality split kind of thing, are you a gardener or an explorer? are you a basebuilder or a shipmaker?
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[tantek] or do you find yourself in one mode or the other for periods of time? (🙋)
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[tantek] perhaps instead of gardens & streams, we need harbors & ocean currents? (cc: [chrisaldrich])
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[jeremycherfas] [tantek] Are you thinking that 2017 was sad and overwhelming as a result of politics in the US?
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[tantek] for those of us organizers here in the US who put work into making events happen, definitely
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[tantek] all of a sudden we had greatly decreased cognitive/emotional budgets because we had to deal with an unstable & abusive leader and the prospects of what random harm could happen or be enabled tomorrow, next week/month etc.
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tantek.com created /Template:indiewebcamps (+16) "Created page with "{{indiewebcamp}}"" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /Template:IndieWebCamps (+16) "Created page with "{{indiewebcamp}}"" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2020/COVID-19 (+17) "camps" (view diff)
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[jeremycherfas] Makes sense. I took a look at the 2017 review and couldn’t see any reference, so I am glad to have your confirmation of my assumption.
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[tantek] even 2021 camps compared to 2020 camp, it's clear that the extended pandemic has worn down a lot of prior surplus time/energy
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[tantek] 2020 camps*
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[jeremycherfas] Sure.
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[tantek] well at least we have a few more new pages this week
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GWG So, how do we get back the energy?
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@jjdelc Grrrr, Instagram changed its markup and now my #micropub PESOS script isn't working. Meh... time to update #indieweb https://jj.isgeek.net/2021/09/01-214655/ (twitter.com/_/status/1433184625262796802)
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[tantek] GWG, that is a good question
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GWG I have those
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[tantek] GWG, short answer is re-assessment of personal needs, better understanding of which needs are not being met, and taking actions towards getting them met. when needs are met, we have more energy and cognitive/emotional bandwidth to do more extra curricular things
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loqi.me created /Google_One (+294) "prompted by [tantek] and dfn added by [tantek]" (view diff)
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loqi.me edited /Google_One (+30) "[tantek] added "[[iCloud]]" to "See Also"" (view diff)