#meta 2021-09-03

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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tracydurnell.com edited /community_brainstorming (+1104) "Added two ideas about hangout events and a community directory" (view diff)
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tracydurnell.com edited /commonplace_book (+102) "/* IndieWeb examples */ add my site as an example" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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[tantek] yay for newsletter day!
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[tantek] GWG, any photos from HWC this week?
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GWG No idea, my internet went out five minutes in and didn't come back till over 2 hours later. Storms
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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[tantek] GWG, ugh yikes, sorry to hear that!
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GWG I was in mid sentence talking Austin HWC with Angelo
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[tantek] Angelo (LAHacker right?), were you able to take an HWC photo this week?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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angelo i just asked maxwelljoslyn[d] to upload
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www.57hits.com author mattmaldre created /User:Www.57hits.com_author_mattmaldre (+252) "Created page with "Hi. New to indieweb. I have four sites that I'll eventually install indieweb. For now I selected one my lower traffic sites to see how this works. A bit strange how my usern..."" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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Loqi angelo has 1 karma over the last year
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Loqi maxwelljoslyn has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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[tantek] maxwelljoslyn++ thanks angelo++
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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aaronpk rattroupe[d]: [Matt_Maldre]: what would you expect the wiki to do if you signed in and someone else already had your username?
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Loqi aaronpk: [tantek] left you a message 20 hours, 49 minutes ago: could you indicate your interest / availability in potential dates? https://indieweb.org/Planning#Dusseldorf Marc said that yes he thinks we can do an IWC DUS adjacent to btconf DUS!
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aaronpk e.g. your indieauth server reports your username as "matt" but someone else's also did and they signed in before you
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rattroupe[d] First of all, the wiki (or any indieauth client) should still register users internally by the profile URLs, which should be unique. So in terms of accounts, or any user-authenticated action, nothing changes
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aaronpk well then we are back to the problem that currently exists
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rattroupe[d] The username is used for display purposes
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aaronpk mediawiki only has the concept of username
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aaronpk so what we do now is take the full indieauth URL and turn "/" into "_" and use that as the username
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aaronpk you can of course customize your user page to change the heading to show your name instead of your URL
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aaronpk but the mediawiki username is what you get in the URL of your page on indieweb.org
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rattroupe[d] I don’t know mediawiki internals. But if you’ve got code that’s massaging profile urls, can’t you replace that with code that looks up a profile url and maps it to a username?
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aaronpk right, in which case it needs to handle the case of a username already having been used by someone else
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aaronpk what I can't change is that the mediawiki "username" field is what's used in the URL like this: https://indieweb.org/User:Aaronparecki.com
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GWG But you could do a redirect
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GWG For example, /GWG redirects to my user page
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rattroupe[d] At some point, if mediawiki is too fragile to handle a slightly more sophisticated username display system, then you have to throw your hands up and either use profile urls, or replace mediawiki 🙂
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aaronpk replacing mediawiki isn't really an option for a whole bunch of reasons, which is why it currently works the way it does
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GWG aaronpk: Maybe a plugin to add a display name field? As opposed to username?
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rattroupe[d] As far as disambiguation goes, again, I don’t know what mediawiki allows as far as configuration goes
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[tantek] display where though?
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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rattroupe[d] It’s trivial to solve if you have access to the code internals
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GWG https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Real_name_display_extensions
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[tantek] what actual problem is this solving? this sounds like a lot of work for no particular reason
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GWG I don't really have a horse in this race
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2021-09-03/1630697594391800
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rattroupe[d] This is solving the problem of people being confused by “your URL is your identity”
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[tantek] also very little (anything) about anything code internals related is "trivial to solve"
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2021-09-03/1630697594357100
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Loqi [[Matt_Maldre]] 1. Is that a normal username? I’d imagine it should be something like mattmaldre.
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Loqi [[Matt_Maldre]] My username on indieweb.org is now “*Www.57hits.com_author_mattmaldre*”. https://indieweb.org/User:Www.57hits.com_author_mattmaldre
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aaronpk one option that would help is that the default indieauth wordpress plugin behavior is to use the root domain rather than author URLs
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GWG I'd like some brainstorming about how WordPress IndieAuth does URLs
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[tantek] right, this is deliberate to encourage folks to use their domain name and software that does so
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GWG aaronpk: It does, if you set it
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aaronpk because no, people are not confused about the url being the identity, people are confused about why their URL has "/author/username" in it
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[tantek] yup that would be a big improvement
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[tantek] ^
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GWG I suppose I should add some logic to figure it out automatically
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rattroupe[d] As far as “trivial” I mean, it’s not a hard problem like secure communications. There’s lots of ways to disambiguate names, it only depends on what you want it to look like
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GWG No one finds the setting till I tell them
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aaronpk (sorry to pick on you matt, it's not personal 😄)
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aaronpk (it's not the first time this has happened)
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[tantek] GWG, perhaps default it to domain until they have multiple authors?
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[tantek] settings shouldn't have to be found to do the right (more usable, user-friendly, user-expected) thing by default
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aaronpk definitely a good feature request for the indieauth plugin is for it to check if there is only 1 user in the wordpress install and set that setting by default
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[tantek] or at most 1 *actual* user, not counting "default" accounts like admin
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aaronparecki.com edited /Planning (+197) "/* Dusseldorf */" (view diff)
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GWG We have one user, one administrator, or one author...
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[tantek] GWG, on a more meta level, pinging you again to add yourself to https://indieweb.org/Planning#Dusseldorf if you think there is a chance you could/would fly out on either date
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GWG I'll put myself on shortly. I've been soul searching
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tantek.com edited /community_brainstorming (+140) "fix dfn" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /community_brainstorming (+16) "sa community" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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[tantek] newsletter looking good
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2021-09-03.html
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