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[tantek] ^ tracydurnell[d] curious if you've read that article/paper https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm — in particular interested in your opinion of it in the context of your blog post (about getting a broader diversity of folks involved in the indieweb community)
# [tantek] organizers << Consideration for discussion at a future Organizers Meetup: 2021-01-08 [https://mediarxiv.org/sf432/ Admins, Mods, and Benevolent Dictators for Life: The Implicit Feudalism of Online Communities] (js;dr unfortunately)
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Loqi ok, I added "Consideration for discussion at a future Organizers Meetup: 2021-01-08 [https://mediarxiv.org/sf432/ Admins, Mods, and Benevolent Dictators for Life: The Implicit Feudalism of Online Communities] (js;dr unfortunately)" to the "See Also" section of /Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77361&oldid=71261
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# [tantek] organizers << 2017-09-17 [https://medium.com/the-tuning-fork/minimum-viable-structure-92e91048ff66 Minimum Viable Structure: Organisational Scaffolding to Get Out of Emergency Mode] / 8 lightweight interventions to get a working team to shift from sprint to marathon. <blockquote>There’s a lot of goodwill in the group, but right now they’re feeling the pain of doing consensus decision-making using chat + long meetings + a little
# Loqi ok, I added "2017-09-17 [https://medium.com/the-tuning-fork/minimum-viable-structure-92e91048ff66 Minimum Viable Structure: Organisational Scaffolding to Get Out of Emergency Mode] / 8 lightweight interventions to get a working team to shift from sprint to marathon. <blockquote>There’s a lot of goodwill in the group, but right now they’re feeling the pain of doing consensus decision-making using chat + long meetings + a little " to the "See Also" section of /Organizers https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77362&oldid=77361
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@roombaghost "A big focus of the indieweb is centralizing identity in a place that’s under individual control (currently: domain names), but that’s the complete opposite of what I want: I want it to be easier to fracture my identity..." — @WAptekar
https://notebook.wesleyac.com/indieweb-thoughts-posse (twitter.com/_/status/1447368169342054404)
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tracydurnell[d] @tantek thanks for sharing that article, I wasn't familiar with it! I like the principles she outlines for democratic structuring
# tracydurnell[d] I haven't been involved in many groups but the elite pattern she describes sounds true
# tracydurnell[d] Personally I do prefer structured groups, on giving it thought, as long as it's not impossible to be heard when you're starting out
# tracydurnell[d] Unstructured groups can make it hard to make progress on things because no one's "in charge" so no one wants to make a decision or speak for the group - I think especially there's a sensitivity for women there about how they'll be perceived if they take charge, if they'll be seen as pushy
# tracydurnell[d] I am an action biased person though and I understand sometimes it can be more important to get on the same page 😉
# tracydurnell[d] I could see "elites" like she describes in an established unstructured group being somewhat of a deterrent to women joining, especially if most of the visible people are men so there could be a perception of an old boys club even where it doesn't exist? Without knowing the history of a group I could see drawing the wrong conclusion about the most visible people in a group all being men 🤷♀️ I feel like it's hard to speak for al
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@voxpelli ↩️ Such a tic-toc model aligns well with eg. the @indiewebcamp principles of selfdogfooding and documenting: https://indieweb.org/principles (twitter.com/_/status/1447562595968421890)
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@hellokozmo ↩️ @keikreutler federated knowledge gardens are definitely an incoming and needed internet paradigm! the Indieweb folk… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1447539292646035456 (twitter.com/_/status/1447539292646035456)
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@drhitchcocknz RT @obsolete29@indieweb.social
New blog post --> Breaking up with Apple - Two Month Check in
#apple #privacy
https://obsolete29.com/posts/2021/10/10/breaking-up-with-apple-two-month-check-in/
https://indieweb.social/@obsolete29/107076911851284598 (twitter.com/_/status/1447641412099616776)
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[chrisaldrich] Facebook << 2021-10-11 Brian Barrett [https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-delete-your-facebook-account/ How to Permanently Delete Your Facebook Account] (Wired)
# Loqi ok, I added "2021-10-11 Brian Barrett [https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-delete-your-facebook-account/ How to Permanently Delete Your Facebook Account] (Wired)" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77370&oldid=77322
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# tracydurnell[d] is there a place to make suggestions about meta activities and being more inclusive / welcoming? or better to throw things out in chat to make sure they haven't been done before, and get feedback there before dumping in the wiki? had a few sparked from the comments in the indieweb channel this morning
# tracydurnell[d] I also felt a little overwhelmed by chat at first (and honestly am still picking things up), I'm wondering if adding some more details or context at the top of the discussion page on the wiki would help at all -- like still not sure how the karma works, how RTing stuff works (can anyone propose something to RT?), or how to @ people across platforms -- or it's just the conversations themselves that are hard to jump into
# tracydurnell[d] I'm also thinking back to a recent discussion about mentorship (GWG I think you were talking about it?) -- I wonder if there could be a slightly more structured "welcoming" / "onboarding" process available for people who want to join -- even to the point of having a few specific friendly people who are open to being contacted with questions listed (I'm thinking of when I worked at the writing center at college, the tutors would put down
# tracydurnell[d] or to the event point, if you've ever tried like "New to the IndieWeb" standalone events that could be either mixers to meet other people who are new, or Q&A with knowledgeable folks in a welcoming setting
# tracydurnell[d] haha ok wasn't you 😉
# tracydurnell[d] totally!
# tracydurnell[d] I know everyone is happy to help, I'm wondering if the trouble's on the other end of *asking* for help 🙂
# tracydurnell[d] yeah, apprenticeship, that was it
# tracydurnell[d] also, I just like to come up with ideas, they may or may not be useful 😉
# Loqi Diversity is the extent to which a group's participants are representative of a wide range of human attributes including, but not limited to, race, gender, religion, age, sexual orientation, able-bodiedness, education, socioeconomic status, political leaning, national origin, etc https://indieweb.org/diversity
# tracydurnell[d] 👍 cool
# [tantek] In addition, feel free to contribute & edit that /diversity liberally
# [tantek] that /diversity page*
# tracydurnell[d] oh cool, that improving diversity section could be a good place to add ideas
# Loqi Anything directly related to people with their own websites, such as technologies and services used, design and UX, formats and protocols, as well as events or podcasts are relevant to the IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/indieweb_relevance
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "definition" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "definition is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek] definition is /wikifying#Definitions_include_indieweb_relevance
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loqi.me created /definition (+61) "prompted by [tantek] and redirect added by [tantek]" (view diff)
# tracydurnell[d] I also was wondering about the Twitter page, it looks like it's mostly RTs and auto-posts of the weekly newslettter (and I think going forward Aaron(?) was going to set up auto reminders about events -- I'm guessing that's an intentional choice to minimize workload (and also the practicalities of posting from an org account)?
# tracydurnell[d] totally 😉
# tracydurnell[d] I run an account for work and can vouch it is a lot of work even when there's not a ton of interaction 🙂
# tracydurnell[d] yeah, the "owner" of an account gains a lot of power
# tracydurnell[d] I think the "team RT" thing is a nice way for community members to agree on things to share on the account
# tracydurnell[d] I was wondering if it could be a tool to test out different messaging to see what resonates, but also that's a lot of work to set up and manage 😆