#meta 2021-11-10
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@brianwisti I see folks using web3 to describe a sort of IndieWeb with math, and other folks using it to describe a pyramid scheme they imagine themselves near the top of, and the first batch may want another term because it reeks of grift. (twitter.com/_/status/1458224644213854212)
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maxwelljoslyn[d] Heya GWG - I won't be around for HWC tomorrow, so I must besseech you to hostify once again...
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@_julianoe ↩️ @nhoizey tu as lu ? C'est toi mon lien francophone avec le monde #indieweb (je suis preneur d'autres camarades à découvrir). Ce concept de jardin numérique, formulé comme ça est fantastique. (twitter.com/_/status/1458279651655233536)
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[KevinMarks] @ruxton: I made one for that in python https://github.com/ChristopherA/LifeWithAlacrityBlog
# [KevinMarks] Look at the mung.py file for how to use it - you need to give it the src, dest folders and original domain.
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@nhoizey ↩️ Je l'avais parcouru vite fait lors de sa publication, il faudrait que je prenne le temps de lire plus complètement.
Les copains francophones #indieweb sont de plus en plus sur Mastodon plutôt que Twitter… (twitter.com/_/status/1458389334793539584)
# [tantek]1 at a11yclub, noting more detailed location info (venue is the same for IWC)
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Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/945/diff
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:POSSE-2012-312.jpeg]]"" (view diff)
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jeremycherfas I wonder why my RSVP https://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2021/yes-wish-i-could-be-at-iwc-dusseldorf-in-person is not showing up at https://events.indieweb.org/2021/11/indiewebcamp-d%C3%BCsseldorf-Z6z8DpkikdxI I *think* it is correctly marked up.
# jeremycherfas Oh. So I need to register, even for remote?
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@RJelenic ↩️ Totally agree. At most, use @Medium to syndicate your content. At least they allow a proper canonical link reference to your own site. Love this talk by @zachleat on the #indieweb and concept of POSSE and PESOS https://youtu.be/X3SrZuH00GQ?t=835s (twitter.com/_/status/1458417914328059908)
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aaronpk The livestream will be on https://indieweb.live and the sessions will be on Zoom
# tantek.com edited /2021/Düsseldorf (+514) "contact organizers if questions/problems with codes of conduct; multiple gmaps direction links for discovery" (view diff)
# jeremycherfas Thanks. And I here, publicly, agree to abide by the code of conduct. Mind you, I am also still wrangling to give myself the time.
# tantek.com edited /Beyond_Tellerand (+255) "add Calum, sort recent to top, 2019 IndieWeb Community Attendees" (view diff)
# Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description "link directions on wiki" https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/946/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description "manual link" https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/947/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description "lol flipped md link syntax" https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/948/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/950/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description "note old location may show up" https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/949/diff
# Loqi [Event Updated] aaronparecki.com updated "Nov 11, 2021 10:00am IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf" changed description "emoji" https://events.indieweb.org/event/308/history/951/diff
# [tantek]1 metaverse << https://twitter.com/mulegirl/status/1453153270763962368
# Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/mulegirl/status/1453153270763962368" to the "See Also" section of /metaverse https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=77741&oldid=77670
# [tantek]1 a bit after the traffic surge but improved POSSE page with diagram at least for new folks!
# [tantek]1 GWG, see above what aaronpk has said
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@WildlandIO ↩️ If you're interested, feel free to check out our plans for the future: https://wildland.io/2021/11/03/whatsnext.html. (twitter.com/_/status/1458449929244925964)
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loqi.me created /dead_man_switch (+42) "prompted by [tantek]1 and redirect added by [tantek]1" (view diff)
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capjamesg[d] "dead person's switch"
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petermolnar "contingency plan"
# [tantek]1 petermolnar, that's a specificity error, more general than the meaning of the term
# [tantek]1 aaronpk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch#Alternative_names
# [tantek]1 what is LMGTFY
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "LMGTFY" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "LMGTFY is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [tantek]1 lol
# petermolnar just... death switch?
# [tantek]1 aaronpk, you might find ideas here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_gender
# [tantek]1 petermolnar, that sounds more like an execution
# petermolnar well, there might be a reason why it's still dead man switch then :)
# [tantek]1 this is a decent article on this subject: https://machinerysafety101.com/2011/03/28/stop-using-the-term-deadman/
# petermolnar erm, not necessarily.
# petermolnar so that article is about the specific case of physical safety
# petermolnar whereas "dead man's switch" is a rather large topic, including, but not limited to, cases when you literally want something to happen in case of your death
# [tantek]1 the WP article is that specific: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch
# [tantek]1 TIL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead-man%27s_vigilance_device
# petermolnar from the WP article
# petermolnar > This concept has been employed with computer data, where sensitive information has been previously encrypted and released to the public, and the "switch" is the release of the decryption key
# petermolnar I'd even go as far as saying a will is a dead man's switch
# petermolnar why?
# [tantek]1 indeed aaronpk
# petermolnar the trigger in both cases is the death
# [tantek]1 right, wills do not self-execute, they require an executor
# [tantek]1 looks like Vigilance Control may be the expression we're actually looking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_man%27s_switch#Software
# petermolnar so dead man's switch is, by definition, auto-executing?
# petermolnar wikipedia is useful, but it that doesn't mean it can't be challenged
# petermolnar auto-execution is an interesting topic on it's own, but yes, I get the point
# [tantek]1 exactly that is *precisely* the point of such a device, the dependability of the automation
# petermolnar telling/paying people to execute a task in case of X is automation, isn't it?
# [tantek]1 only to extreme capitalists 😉
# petermolnar right... because machinery is always reliable and never failes.
# petermolnar *fails
# [tantek]1 simpler machinery tends to be more predictable/reliable. humans are not simple machines
# petermolnar I'm not going to argue with that, but that is deflecting the question.
# [tantek]1 petermolnar, given that the switches are for the unexpected failures of people, it seems fairly obvious (implicit in the design/phrasing) that expecting someone (else) to do something is not reliable / automation
# [tantek]1 now maybe if you have an m of n type redundancy system, you could use multiple same components (people)
# petermolnar relying on a physical switch, yes, I get that, relying on my phone to automate stuff that needs GPS, internet, power, data connectivity, etc, is becoming nearly as unreliable as humans, imo.
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[schmarty] this discussion brings up another Snow Crash reference! https://sites.google.com/a/trinity.edu/snow-crash-fall-2016/characters/hackworth
# [schmarty] '[Raven] rides around in a “big chortling Harley” motorcycle with a sidecar that contains a stolen nuclear bomb rigged to explode if his heart ever stops beating...'
# petermolnar yeah, I remember that one
# [schmarty] heh i guess that reference was more for -chat. apologies!
# petermolnar maybe this whole topic is for -chat
# [tantek]1 it started with a can we rename the heading on the wiki
# [tantek]1 the point is what to call the feature on your personal website that executes in the event of your untimely death
# [tantek]1 this might be a decent alternative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbeat_(computing)
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# [schmarty] that reminded me of watchdog timer, which is a see-also on the Heartbeat page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_timer
# petermolnar what is watchdog?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "watchdog" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "watchdog is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# petermolnar yeah, that's a good one, and generic enough
# petermolnar I hope nobody has a problem that it's not watchcat, watchgoose, or anything else
# [schmarty] that also reminds me of warrant canaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warrant_canary
# loqi.me created /Nostalgia (+177) "prompted by capjamesg[d] and dfn added by capjamesg[d]" (view diff)
# capjamesg[d] I am going to expand on that page but I will need to fix my IndieAuth endpoint first.
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aaronparecki.com moved /Nostalgia to /nostalgia
# capjamesg[d] Retro is nostalgia.
# capjamesg[d] What is retro?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "retro" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "retro is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# capjamesg[d] retro is nostalgia
# Loqi [Event Updated] calumryan.com updated "Nov 10, 2021 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/311/history/952/diff
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@calum_ryan First in-person and online IndieWebCamp since the situation tomorrow from 10am-15:15pm CET at Neue Zentralbibliothek Düsseldorf — who's coming along? https://events.indieweb.org/2021/11/indiewebcamp-d%C3%BCsseldorf-Z6z8DpkikdxI
https://calumryan.com/notes/3614 (twitter.com/_/status/1458506226657112073)
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@JamieTanna Had a lovely first in-person #HomebrewWebsiteClub with @CarolSaysThings and @anna_hax today! (https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2021/11/5wiyg/) (twitter.com/_/status/1458551714433409038)
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# [tantek]1 What do folks think of the visual elements of a "summary diagram" and perhaps a clickable "1min intro video" for wiki pages to provide additional learning modalities beyond "prose text description"? E.g. top right of https://indieweb.org/POSSE
# [schmarty] tantek: sounds great _and_ like a heck of a lot of work to do well!
# [tantek]1 [schmarty] I'm thinking of doing it selectively and opportunistically. E.g. that "1min* video intro" on POSSE is from the middle of a much longer talk
# [tantek]1 And yes there's kind of a rabbithole of quality/fidelity that one can fall into. E.g. from diagram to animated diagram etc.
# [tantek]1 Hoping to at least start with some "simple" sketches that make it creating that kind of content more "accessible", as well as an encouragement to re-use this kind of content that was created elsewhere (like the link to the existing video)
# [tantek]1 I'm expecting that different people will be drawn to the text description vs the diagram vs clicking on a video they can "just" sit back and watch for a bit
# [schmarty] tantek: i definitely support having multiple representations available, as that makes it easier for folks to learn and share in different contexts
# [tantek]1 I'm also wondering if such a "featured diagram" for a wiki page could/would "automatically" show up in previews in various places people share links
# [tantek]1 wondering if we need to use a "feature image" template perhaps that could add u-featured to the markup automatically for the h-entry of the page, and somehow have that u-featured image src show up in the Twitter card?
# [tantek]1 "featured* image" template
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# tantek.com edited /rel-in-reply-to (+4) ""why not" rather than "why" for stuff that's been abandoned / deprecated" (view diff)
# [tantek]1 capjamesg[d] ^ tried to make it more clear in https://indieweb.org/reply#FAQ that rel=in-reply-to should be avoided. Does that help?
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