#meta 2021-12-23

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[tantek] petermolnar, I'll agree that the wording is a bit awkward. can you think of a way to reference identity loss as part of "why" that reads better than that?
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tantek.com edited /2021-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+48) "thanks for the new page for today petermolnar++" (view diff)
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[tantek] awe I was hoping that would trigger Loqi's karma detector
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GWG Only 1.5 hours till HWC
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GWG Do I have enough time to build something to demo?
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GWG Probably not
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[tantek] GWG, did you follow the import/export conversation in #indieweb-dev and specifically about WordPress import/expert as a service? WPIEAAS?
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GWG I was stuck at work, catching up on scroll up before HWC
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[tantek] when is HWC?
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/hwc
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[tantek] ^ can we get that to work? or is "When is" now obsolete as a Loqi request and needs to be rewritten to work with events.indieweb?
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[tantek] possible idea: take the phrase after "when is", treat it as a tag, look up e.g. "https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc", figure out the first *day* that an event listed there is happening, then collect all non-cancelled events from that day to that day+6, then output them in response clustered by day, then output that tag URL that was used to look them up, e.g.
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[tantek] The next HWC event(s) is(are): On Dec 22, 2021, at 6pm: Homebrew Website Club - The Americas. https://events.indieweb.org/2021/12/homebrew-website-club-the-americas-947hzBq9MKbj
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[tantek] ^ in this case, if there's only one event that matches that "search" ("first *day* that an event listed there is happening, then collect all non-cancelled events from that day to that day+6") then link directly to that one event, instead of the to events tag URL
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[tantek] in this case if Nottingham had not been canceled, then two events would have matched and the response should look something like:
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[tantek] The next HWC events are: On Dec 22, 2021, at 5:30pm: UTC Homebrew Website Club: Nottingham, and at 6pm PST: Homebrew Website Club - The Americas. https://events.indieweb.org/2021/12/22
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[tantek] ^ in this case, multiple events, however, on only one day, so the URL links to that specific day
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[tantek] if there were multiple HWC events over multiple days (up to 6 day range) like we used to have, then it would link to the tag: https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc
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[tantek] ^ aaronpk is that enough of an algorithm to start prototyping an update to "when is" that uses events.indieweb instead of the wiki?
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[chrisaldrich] edgeduchess[d], looking at your messages yesterday... I've only just started delving into it, but I can't help but think of dev.to which is using the open source Forem as their platform. Its got some of the social built in with a blog like product. Might be worth looking at as a model for the problem(s) you're trying to solve. In some sense it seems to be a little bit of blog+forum+open source
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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GWG [tantek]: I won't be taking an HWC picture this time....at least not so far
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GWG Someone looked like they popped in for a minute...then popped out
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GWG Oh well
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GWG Quiet Writing Hour it is.
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GWG After I finish beating my parents at Ticket to Ride online.
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tantek.com edited /2020/Austin (+21) "was, registrations" (view diff)
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aaronpk [tantek]: that sounds reasonable! I've been meaning to switch "when is" over and that sounds like a good summary
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[tantek] it will encourage good tagging also
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[tantek] for better discoverability of events
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gregorlove.com edited /2020/Austin/Demos (+6790) "archive demos from chat logs, video link" (view diff)
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aaronpk o.O
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aaronpk gRegor++
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gRegor I'm on a little lag. jk
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gRegor Came across it looking for the blog archive format demo :)
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gRegor what is ssg
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Loqi Static site generators or SSGs are programs that take a set of flat text files on disk and transforms them into a set of static HTML files ready to be served by a standard web server, or some variation of this example https://indieweb.org/SSG
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@kkd indiewebはweb3.0の上に実現されるのかもしれないなどと妄想した。まだ勉強が足りてない。。。 (twitter.com/_/status/1473861212752519172)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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edgeduchess[d] [chrisaldrich]: oh yes, absolutely! I'm a fan of dev.to
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edgeduchess[d] they have some really interesting ideas, though I still need to dive into their ideas for decentralization
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edgeduchess[d] i read the main dev talk about it, but I haven't looked into their exact shape
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capjamesg[d] gRegor++
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petermolnar.net edited /identity_loss (+29) "dfn wording" (view diff)
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petermolnar.net edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+7302) "converted plain text links to citation templates" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /Posts_about_the_IndieWeb (+121) (view diff)
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capjamesg[d] petermolnar++ for the conversion
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-185) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[manton] Catching up, thanks folks for digging up the blog archive format stuff from a few years ago. I still think it’s useful to have a simple, single file archive… Data Transfer Project and similar solutions are fine but (I think) really only good for a one-time transfer between services, not for having a file you can backup or restore later.
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manton.org edited /blog_archive_format (+420) "Updated about where Micro.blog supports exporting .bar." (view diff)
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[manton] I know there’s no schedule for the next IndieWebCamp Online yet, but I think someone proposed talking about book reading… So consider this an early +1 to talk about how https://www.zylstra.org/blog/2021/12/federated-bookshelves-update/ and other proposals could fit together.
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[chrisaldrich] [manton] I've been keeping some of those examples here: https://indieweb.org/personal_library#Decentralized_Goodreads_Experiments
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[manton] [chrisaldrich] Great!
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[chrisaldrich] I'm think that instead of waiting and doing it as part of a whole camp, perhaps we devote a two to three hour block as a stand alone pop up? Perhaps in February to give folks some time to plan?
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[manton] I'd be good with a pop-up.
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[chrisaldrich] Sorry we didn't tag you into it [manton] but this recent tweet (https://twitter.com/ChrisAldrich/status/1470626749734010880) and it's various branches have me thinking a lot about this too.
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@ChrisAldrich @Weegee @goodreads @thestorygraph @readandbreathe It looks like yet-another-silo in the merry-go-round of social reading sites. I prefer #IndieWeb solutions like @gRegorLove's https://indiebookclub.biz/, an app/platform that posts your book reading data & updates to your own website. (twitter.com/_/status/1470626749734010880)
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[chrisaldrich] I'll stub out a piece and see what we can do.
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[chrisaldrich] what are pop ups?
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Loqi Pop-ups are IndieWebCamp Sessions that occur as standalone events, rather than part of an IndieWebCamp https://indieweb.org/Pop-ups
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gRegor +1 interested
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GWG Me too on interest
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GWG But getting me to a pop-up is a low bar
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capjamesg[d] Me too!
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GWG I always show up
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[manton] Related, not sure if anyone here noticed but I built a books app for iOS and Android called Epilogue. It’s a bit silo-ish right now, but open source… Posts to Micro.blog with Micropub of course. https://epilogue.micro.blog
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[manton] It’s mostly JavaScript so could be extended without much native platform experience.
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@mikekasprzak The "IndieWeb" project seems interesting. Best I can tell is that it expands on OAUTH2, with the goal of encouraging everyone to self-host an authentication server instead of relying on Google/Twitter/Facebook. There's also some blog federation stuff. (twitter.com/_/status/1474089959342710784)
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loqi.me created /.bar (+32) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /posting_graph (+158) "/* add yourself! */ === Joe Crawford ===" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+2127) "Stubbing out session for Personal Libraries potentially in February 2022" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] There's a pop up session stub for /personal_library up now with potential February 2022 dates: https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Personal_Libraries Add your interest and date availabilities. 📚 cc: GWG, [manton], capjamesg[d], gRegor, [tonz]
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gregorlove.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+80) "/* Personal Libraries */ +me" (view diff)
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[manton] [chrisaldrich]++
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manton.org edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+13) "/* Interest */" (view diff)
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www.zylstra.org blog edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+11) "/* Interest */" (view diff)
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www.zylstra.org blog edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+60) "/* February 2022 */" (view diff)
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@ton_zylstra ↩️ There is a tentatively planned IndieWeb online meet-up for a Saturday in February. See https://indieweb.org/2021/Pop-ups/Sessions#Personal_Libraries cc @mantonsblog (twitter.com/_/status/1474108169513222148)
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[tonz] [chrisaldrich] cool, added myself to the list of those interested.
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@tlesher ↩️ That sounds a whole lot like what the indieweb folks have been proposing for a long time. (twitter.com/_/status/1474112327972790275)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ #indieweb works, and you can say you're in dweb too (twitter.com/_/status/1474115658745057284)
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kimberlyhirsh.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+20) "/* Interest */" (view diff)
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kimberlyhirsh.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+96) "/* February 2022 */" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (-80) "moved Gardens and Streams and IndieAuth2 to completed section" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com created /2022/Pop-ups/Sessions (+13341) "moving over potential sessions from 2021 for 2022" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/Sessions (-53) "moved Intersection of analog and online & personal libraries to top; removed past dates" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions () "(-4150) past tense; link for 2022; commented out old material; left links to two sessions still in advanced planning stages" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] It shouldn't keep people from planning interesting things for the last days of 2021, but I've migrated the planning for pop ups to 2022.
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[chrisaldrich] community++ for 8 great pop ups in 2021 🎉
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boffosocko.com created /2022/Pop-ups (+4237) "cut and paste from 2021 to create a fresh slate for 2022" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /IndieWebCamps (+69) "stub for 2021 with link to pop ups in 2021; update upcoming links for 2022" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (+234) "row for 2022!" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com created /2022/Pop-ups/Analog_meets_Online (+4440) "stub page; move over from pop up planning" (view diff)
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boffosocko.com edited /2021/Pop-ups/Sessions (+28) "/* The Intersection of Analog and Online */ redirect for further planning and notes" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] tracydurnell[d], I've created a wiki page for Analog meets Online at https://indieweb.org/2022/Pop-ups/Analog_meets_Online, feel free to make any changes to suit the session. I've put some default items in some slots and hopefully copied the appropriate details over from the event/RSVP page. Hopefully it makes it easier to cut/paste notes in when things are done.
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tracydurnell[d] @chrisaldrich thank you!
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tracydurnell[d] I started a page but it's a lot cruddier than what you made 🙂 https://indieweb.org/2022/Pop-ups/AnalogMeetsOnline is there a way to delete mine?
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[tantek] better to keep/rename the original page (yours tracydurnell[d]) and merge in the content from the new page
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[chrisaldrich] I didn't see it linked anywhere so apologies for the duplication... is it better to have spaces/underlines or CamelCase on the URL
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[tantek] and then leave a redirect behind at the new page
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[chrisaldrich] I'll take care of the merge then.... and make sure it links up to the appropriate 2022 pages.
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tracydurnell[d] thank you @chrisaldrich!
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tracydurnell[d] I think you could just write over everything I had in there
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[tantek] wikifying << to-do: add a section advising on the naming of multiword wiki pages, specifically encouraging folks to "just" use multiple words, or explicitly use dashes or underscores between words, rather than WikiCase or camelCase
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Loqi ok, I added "to-do: add a section advising on the naming of multiword wiki pages, specifically encouraging folks to "just" use multiple words, or explicitly use dashes or underscores between words, rather than WikiCase or camelCase" to the "See Also" section of /wikifying https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=78593&oldid=78305
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tracydurnell[d] thanks for the naming guidance @tantek 🙂
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[chrisaldrich] so I'll move everything from Tracy's page to the /2022/Pop-ups/Analog_meets_Online page based on that guidance then.
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tracydurnell[d] I think you have all the content I had, so I don't think there's anything you need to pull over
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] not quite see above precisely
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[tantek] better to always keep the first page created on the subject, even if the name was suboptimal, and then rename it
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[tantek] keeping the history of the first page created (and it's earlier creation date) is worth it
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[chrisaldrich] okay then... that works too..
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[tantek] its* earlier creation date
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[tantek] also that first page had the proper TitleCase "AnalogMeetsOnline" even without spaces
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boffosocko.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/AnalogMeetsOnline (+3500) "copy over text from duplicate page" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] tracydurnell[d], that page could probably use some better thought through emojis if someone can think of some ^^. Ideas?
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tracydurnell[d] haha I did like the DNA 😉
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tantek.com moved /2022/Pop-ups/AnalogMeetsOnline to /2022/Pop-ups/Analog_Meets_Online "multiword page name, spaces"
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boffosocko.com edited /Template:IndieWebCamp (-47) "canonical pop up name, link to stand alone page" (view diff)
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tracydurnell[d] 📲 ?
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tantek.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/Analog_Meets_Online (-5) "titlecaps, move cats to end instead of before dfn" (view diff)
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tracydurnell[d] emojis are weird, why is there a pager emoji?
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tracydurnell[d] 🖋️
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boffosocko.com edited /2022/Pop-ups/Sessions () "(-1999) Analog Meets Online details moved to stand alone page; left link and RSVP details" (view diff)
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[tantek] pagers were popular when emojis first emerged
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tracydurnell[d] haha, emojis must be older than I realized 😅
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tracydurnell[d] 🪛