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[tantek] aaronpk for the next IndieWeb Summit, we could very much subbrand it as the "Independent Social Media Summit" and that wouldn't be inaccurate
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aaronpk i don't know if we need any more isms in the world 😂
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[tantek] that's not an ism!
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aaronpk ISMS
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] we could do a variant on the original /Creator qualification, not for participation, e.g. I think we have figured out how to scale beyond that and keep a sense of community integrity, but perhaps as a requirement to make session proposal
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[tantek] i.e. either you're using your domain as your primary identity, or do a joint session proposals with someone who is
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[tantek] obviously folks who partition their "notes" into a subdomain (e.g. with a personal single-user Masto instance at a subdomain) would be fine
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aaronpk still feels kinda gatekeepey
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[tantek] gatekeeping isn't a bad thing inherently, just as curation isn't. gatekeeping is bad when it's a sociopolitical. it's good when it's based on actual relevant experience, expertise, and proof of work
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[tantek] the good kind of proof of work
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[tantek] akin to Seirdy's comment in #indieweb-dev about people all deciding they were virology experts, or intl conflict experts etc.
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[tantek] it's not gatekeeping to call bullshit on randos claiming they are experts on all the things
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[tantek] same thing
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[tantek] except that back in the 2010s we had an endemic (so to speak) of people-who-sent-lots-of-email claiming to be social-web-experts
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[tantek] now the problem is: "I've been on twitter a long time, so I'm an expert"
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[tantek] being an expert at storing your stuff in someone else's garage doesn't make folks experts on creating garages. they might have opinions as users sure, but user is not the same as a platform/UX creator. I'd make an exception for anyone who could show their HyperCard stacks 😛
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tbbrown youtube video and slides are now available for the EFF-Austin "IndieWeb and Mastodon" meetup: https://herestomwiththeweather.com/2022/12/22/indieweb-and-mastodon/
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[tantek] Awesome tbbrown++
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Loqi tbbrown has 2 karma over the last year
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[tantek] Add that to the gift calendar! ▶ for video
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aaronpk argh i need to fix the slack bridge, the images are causing the text of the message to get eaten too
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+93) "youtube for effaustin meetup" (view diff)
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herestomwiththeweather.com edited /2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar (+1) "added a space after emoji" (view diff)
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gRegor -1 for the domain as identity pre-req to propose a session
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gRegor Feels like an unnecessary barrier, we've had some good sessions proposed by people new to the community or just getting started. I feel like it might be intimidating/discouraging to some of those people to find someone to do a joint session with
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[chrisaldrich] rel-me << Article on using rel-me for verification on Mastodon: https://themarkup.org/levelup/2022/12/22/how-we-verified-ourselves-on-mastodon-and-how-you-can-too
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Loqi ok, I added "Article on using rel-me for verification on Mastodon: https://themarkup.org/levelup/2022/12/22/how-we-verified-ourselves-on-mastodon-and-how-you-can-too" to the "See Also" section of /rel-me https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85308&oldid=85294
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[tantek] Good points gRegor++
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Loqi gRegor has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (72 in all channels)
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[tantek] Proposal withdrawn
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tantek.com edited /LastPass (+134) "finish blockquote" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /LastPass (+78) "incorporate SA quotes into Criticisms and Breaches sections" (view diff)
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[tantek] [Michelle_Moore]++ well done joining nowww++
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[Michelle_Moore] Thanks @tantek!
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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gRegorLove Are some messages missing from main channel? Don't see what [tantek] is replying to here https://chat.indieweb.org/2022-12-23#t1671773529251900
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] [Michelle_Moore] that is not a very friendly error message from IndieLogin!
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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sknebel gRegor: slack bridge eats posts with images
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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gRegor ^ In the "Posts about Indieweb" we might want to indicate "submitted on [date]" so it doesn't look like the post was written then. jmac's posts there are from 2018 for example.
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gRegor I wonder if his URLs changed and those indienews syndications got re-sent
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Happy newsletter day!
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Loqi [New Event] jamesg.blog created "Jan 4, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" https://events.indieweb.org/qmMmOpgbY5SG
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Jan 4, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed description https://events.indieweb.org/event/433/history/1212/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Jan 4, 2023 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed end_time "Fix end time" https://events.indieweb.org/event/433/history/1213/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "Dec 14, 2022 7:00pm Homebrew Website Club Europe/London" changed end_time "Fix time on meetup" https://events.indieweb.org/event/429/history/1214/diff
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+381) "/* Ben Werdmuller */ links. event post still up, link to archive for comments/RSVPs" (view diff)
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2022-12-23.html
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+142) "/* Aaron Parecki */ date,link,mf2" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+285) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +jeena" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+34) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ past examples, addyourself" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+525) "+sebsel" (view diff)
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gregorlove.com edited /rsvps (+397) "/* Calum Ryan */ note microformats, +archive link" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor++ for /rsvps gardening
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Loqi gRegor has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (71 in all channels)
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[tantek] we need a way (for anyone logged into indieweb.org?) to mute any IndieNews post for cases like this where an old post gets auto-re-syndicated because "something" changed. or when there are "random" IndieNews posts that have nothing to do with IndieWeb
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] what's the term for when feeds cause readers to forget read/unread status? feed amnesia? I can't quite remember
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gRegor I remember some meta chat about that earlier this year, I think resulted in this issue https://github.com/aaronpk/IndieNews/issues/58
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #58 Create admin UI to remove posts
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aaronpk did we decide that anyone logged in should be able to edit? basically same permissions as the wiki
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gRegor I forget honestly. I vaguely recall some ideas like the two-person !rt confirmation, but maybe just ideas
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[tantek] aaronpk, same permissions as the wiki and events.indieweb!
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[tantek] awww no one noticed the bad redirect as a new page?
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[tantek] I need someone else to help with that when I'm away, like literally check all the "New Pages" in the newsletter to make sure they are legit
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aaronpk i wonder if there are some checks Loqi could do while building the newsletter and report problems in chat
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[tantek] what is link rel
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Loqi link rel is / rel https://indieweb.org/link_rel
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[tantek] ^ that one
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[tantek] 😞
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tantek.com edited /link_rel (-28) "this was supposed to be a redirect but an errant space caused Loqi to treat "/ rel" as an actual definition rather than a redirect which was likely typed on a mobile touch keyboard that errantly inserted a space" (view diff)
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