#meta 2023-07-19

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aaronpk please do
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[tantek] Ok will try to make a bunch of incremental improvements at least
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[tantek] There's also the bigger issue of the wiki in "mobile" of course, which the chat links to in the footer to join via other protocols/services
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aaronpk yeah i still don't understsand the state of mediawiki's default skins, things got complicated
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gRegor I think there's a newer version of Vector to install
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aaronpk i did install the new version, that seems to be the problem?
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/2022-12-indieweb-gift-calendar#In_progress has some notes and links to chat logs
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gRegor Oh, recently? I meant newer than when we updated MW a year(?)ish ago
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/2023/07/18173018-6806.png
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aaronpk oh like a new new 2022 version?
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[tantek] yeah I'm pretty amazed that it's so broken on mobile
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aaronpk yeah I don't get it
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[tantek] I'm looking at chat.indieweb fixes first because those seem simpler
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gRegor Some point release on the Vector skin. I wasn't sure: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2022-11-16#t1668577560889100
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[tantek] lol we are using a downloadable font for the hamburger menu icon 🤦
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aaronpk i don't think we added a font for that... it must be part of the skin?
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Loqi [preview] [gRegor] Re: Vector (wiki theme), it looks like we might have `$wgVectorDefaultSkinVersion = '1';` set in LocalSettings. I see that value in some JSON when I view source. However I don't think we can just flip the switch on vector-2022 due to the homepage.
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[tantek] aaronpk, this is in the chat.indieweb styling
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[tantek] what is a hamburger
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Loqi The hamburger icon is a triple bar symbol commonly used to indicate a hidden navigation menu https://indieweb.org/hamburger
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aaronpk oh
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aaronpk i believe that is the google material design css
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[tantek] lol
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[tantek] of course it is, where else would overdesigned css come from 🦆
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tantek.com edited /hamburger_icon (+311) "≡ yo let's add the actual Unicode so we can make it easier for people to avoid using a whole downloadable font for this nonsense, link clean up" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /≡ (+28) "r" (view diff)
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[tantek] uh backend IRC archive issue for you aaronpk, why is https://chat.indieweb.org/2023-07-18 empty of any chats? I see plenty in the Slack backscroll
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[tantek] (here when I'm trying to demo how awesome IndieWeb chat bridging/archiving is to W3C folks today 😬 )
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gRegor The release numbers on Vector are weird. They don't seem to be bumping semver from 1.0.0 despite different releases.
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[tantek] or did we really not have anything today (UTC) in #indieweb other than "mayk oi"?
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[tantek] that's oddly quiet
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[tantek] gRegor maybe more like semaybever?
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tantek.com edited /hamburger_icon (+308) "some Wikipedia see Alsos, IndieWeb Examples, chat archives" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /hamburger_icon (+8) "move TOC down" (view diff)
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p​ecoraa what is Loqi?
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gRegor what is loqi
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot/digital therapist present in the IndieWeb discussion channels https://indieweb.org/Loqi
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tantek.com edited /Error_establishing_a_database_connection (+184) "incorporate SAs into page content, SA/Cat WordPress (common source of this error)" (view diff)
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gRegor what is 🧟
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "🧟" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "🧟 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor 🧟 is /zombie
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Loqi ok
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loqi.me created /🧟 (+19) "prompted by gRegor and redirect added by gRegor" (view diff)
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p​ecoraa 😮 nice
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aaronpk [tantek]: The permalinks are UTC so it's only been an hour of the 18th so far
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[tantek] wow materialize--
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Loqi materialize has -1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] aaronpk I think you mean it's only been an hour of the 19th so far
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[tantek] it's still the 18th in PDT
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[tantek] ok here's some unicode to reduce dependency on materialcss external font loading: https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/pull/61
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Loqi [preview] [tantek] #61 unicode instead of depending on materialcss
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[tantek] aaronpk, LMK if you'd prefer to review/land/deploy "larger" changes or if this granularity/frequency is ok with you.
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[tantek] also, comments, review/feedback welcome from all in general on these PRs, especially if you spot a mistake!
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aaronpk Indeed, the chat logs match the Slack logs
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[aciccarello] Reminds me that I need to prioritize removing material css from my site. I barely use it anyway.
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gRegor what is material
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "material" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "material is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor what is material css
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "material css" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "material css is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor Probably don't need an entry
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epoch btw, to do a minimal dark mode
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epoch :root { color-scheme: light dark; }
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epoch tada
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[KevinMarks] What is hamburger?
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Loqi ≡ The hamburger icon is a triple bar symbol (≡) commonly used to indicate a hidden navigation menu https://indieweb.org/hamburger
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[KevinMarks] hamburger << minimal svg for the icon https://css-tricks.com/snippets/svg/svg-hamburger-menu/
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Loqi ok, I added "minimal svg for the icon https://css-tricks.com/snippets/svg/svg-hamburger-menu/" to the "See Also" section of /hamburger_icon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=88708&oldid=88705
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gregorlove.com edited /X-Clacks-Overhead (+118) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ +Known" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /X-Clacks-Overhead (+368) "add Benwerd explicitly, move Known to Software Examples" (view diff)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] yay chat.indieweb update! looks better on mobile now
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aaronpk i had to do a few more css tweaks for the icons
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[tantek] and now I'm tempted to write a little bit of JS to do datetime math for enable the "Next" link/button as soon as the time has passed for there to be a "Next" page
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[tantek] ooh
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aaronpk there was some css in the framework that was adding underlines to `<abbr>`
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[tantek] lol of course there was
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aaronpk and the hamburger needed to be bigger and needed some padding
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[tantek] did you do a separate PR?
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[tantek] would love to see the changes so I can keep them in mind for any future edits
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aaronpk no PR but here's the diff https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/compare/f4a058703f4359262480e94027f285deebcbc4d8..a130ad7ce30a1c43365a7df64e8ddecdb5863383
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gRegor hm did text get smaller on mobile?
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gRegor maybe not, I haven't looked at it on my phone in a while, but feels small
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[tantek] chat text shouldn't have changed at all
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gRegor I'm probably just misremembering
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gRegor It's 12px. 14px might be nice, looks ok in mobile preview on desktop
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[tantek] thanks aaronpk, that helps a lot. I think I can tweak further
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[tantek] gRegor, can you compare to other "chat" apps on your device and see if the size on chat.indieweb is comparable or larger/smaller than those other apps?
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[tantek] curious if we're not taking user preferences into account properly or not
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gRegor Discord looks comparable. Don't think I've changed any font settings in that app though. Let me check Slack.
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gRegor Though I find the dark mode contrast in Discord makes it easier to read
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gRegor Slack looks a tad larger, guessing maybe 13px
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[tantek] aaronpk, further tweaks to make the icons more consistent (and some spacing edits) https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/pull/62
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2023/07/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-gyvmgqxdpIEg
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cali-iwc Usage: !archive <event page URL or Etherpad URL> <events/wiki-url>
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capjamesg !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2023/07/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-gyvmgqxdpIEg events/2023-07-19-hwc-europe
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/events/2023-07-19-hwc-europe. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.jamesg.blog created /events/2023-07-19-hwc-europe (+1998) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor, as font-size (and to some extent adjustability thereof) is an accessibility issue, can you file an issue in https://github.com/indieweb/chat.indieweb.org/issues with your request both exactly the smallest change you'd like to see, and perhaps what you'd ideally like to be able to do? I'll see what I can come up with
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2023-07-19-hwc-europe (-183) "Clean up formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /events/2023-07-19-hwc-europe (-7) (view diff)
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