#[tantek]^ aaronpk WDYT of adding a few more notifications from very specific GitHub repos to here, e.g. new issues and PRs, perhaps specifically on the repos for the specs listed in https://spec.indieweb.org/ ?
#[tantek]I don't think they're very noisy right now, and they could be useful to get things merged faster (like implementation reports! I see two other past implementation reports in the Webmention repo for example https://github.com/w3c/webmention/pulls 107 and 114 there)
#[tantek]Should we pre-emptively ask in our contribution text (e.g. that says "don't copy from Wikipedia") to not use LLM generated text in contributions?
#[tantek]right now we have these two bold commands in the edit UI: "*Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!" / "Do not copy text from Wikipedia!"*
#sknebelapparently "to short to trigger Loqi" is the answer ;)
#capjamesg[tantek] I do have one concern about this as currently worded.
#capjamesg"Please do not use tools like ChatGPT to write a complete definition for the IndieWeb wiki. Tools like ChatGPT should instead be used to guide you to a definition that you think clearly conveys the point you want to make."
#capjamesgI think ChatGPT, et al. could be used to help someone for whom {language} is not their first language get their point across.
#LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "AI" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "AI is ____", a sentence describing the term)
#capjamesgI don't have any attachment to those exact words, but I think we need a clause for this.
#capjamesgI think the behavior we want to discourage is copying verbatim.
#capjamesgMaybe this is a broader point around content for the wiki, not just for definitions.
#tantek.comedited /wikifying (+628) "/* What not to contribute to the IndieWeb wiki */ Wikipedia or LLM text (except maybe in a quote to demonstrate a problem)" (view diff)
#Loqi[preview] The IndieWeb (according to ChatGPT)
#[tantek]capjamesg, I disagree about using ChatGPT to help someone "get their point across".
#[tantek]if someone wants to use ChatGPT to learn a language, that's their prerogative. I'd rather they learn then use their skills to write in their own words.
#[tantek]also, better to contribute to the IndieWeb wiki in languages you are comfortable in, as we have translations
#capjamesg"if someone wants to use ChatGPT to learn a language, that's their prerogative." -- that's not related.
#[tantek]it is, in that I'm saying the wiki is not the place to experiment with ChatGPT to get better at using a language.
#capjamesgI used to work with a Ukrainian software team who would sometimes switch to the Ukrainian language to discuss technical details. Precisely communicating technical concepts was easier in their native language.
#capjamesgI can see ChatGPT being used in this sort of arena, where you know _what_ you want to say, but you don't know _exactly how_ to say it.
#[tantek]probably shouldn't contribute automatically translated text either
#[tantek]I bet Wikipedia has guidance for this sort of thing we can look at as prior work
#capjamesgMaybe we're debating a hypothetical here, but I think we should exercise caution.
#[tantek]we're less likely to get such contributions since they're tied to people's domains (their logins on the wiki) but better to make a decision and block it up front than have to deal with it after the fact
#[tantek]it's a hypothetical for us (AFAIK) however it is not a hypothetical in that people are submitting papers etc. that are LLM generated
#capjamesgI'll support the current language but we should revisit it if anyone has concerns.
#capjamesgI don't think we should encourage AI-written text. This community has spent so much time making the wiki wonderful. Text that has been written without proper effort and regard to relevance of all kinds -- AI or otherwise -- is not appreciated.
#capjamesgI wonder if there is a broader rule about "Use your own words" that we could note.
#capjamesgWe say don't copy from Wikipedia or ChatGPT. The pattern should be "Use your own words to express a relevant definition that will be helpful to readers of the wiki."
#capjamesgI think we can do more by empowering people that this is a place where sincere, personal contributions are greatly valued and awarded.