#meta 2023-12-22

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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2023-12-20 at 5:57pm PST
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Loqi reminder to create the YYYY-created pages for 2017-2023
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gRegor what is switchboard
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Loqi Switchboard is a PubSubHubbub hub created by aaronpk https://indieweb.org/Switchboard
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gRegor what is switchboard
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Loqi Switchboard is a WebSub hub created by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Switchboard
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gRegor what is phubb
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Loqi phubb is an open source standalone WebSub server written in PHP by Christian Weiske https://indieweb.org/phubb
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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[tantek] ooo I need to upload IWC SD photos!
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GWG There you are, happy December 21st.
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GWG Got it in just under the wire
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[tantek] 8 hours until [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi I added a countdown scheduled for 2023-12-22 6:18pm UTC (#7081)
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[tantek] GWG++ way to come through with a solstice present!
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Loqi GWG has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (50 in all channels)
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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[tantek] We had one reported positive Covid case (as of this past Monday) of an IWC SD participant. Has anyone else who was at IWC SD felt any respiratory symptoms since the camp? Covid incubation times would mean the earliest you would have felt it is maybe Tuesday or Wednesday but certainly by today if you got it at the camp.
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[tantek] Especially asking [chrisaldrich] [gRegorLove] Angelo who rode with me in the car on Sunday night and joined in after camp snacks, coffees, and the Mexican dinner place. If you could confirm whether or not you have symptoms (I'm fine btw, zero symptoms), that would be a relief to know either way.
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] FYI ^
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] Loqi, you ok?
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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GWG [tantek]: You need to upload group photos to the event clearly
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] aaronpk, is Loqi stuck in a loop?
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[tantek] I don't have 8 group photos
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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aaronpk interesting
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] lol
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[Joe_Crawford] I’m feeling fine and have no symptoms whatsoever. I drove David Saturday morning from his hotel to the place, David was masked, and I believe I rolled down windows for the drive. Take that as a data point. Thanks for the mention [tantek]
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] I sat with David most of the day Sunday at create day, at the same table, across from each other, and I have zero symptoms.
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GWG [Joe_Crawford]: I'm always masked in confined spaces.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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GWG But, glad I didn't contribute to anyone else's misery
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GWG aaronpk: I want this...keep reminding [tantek] until he does the thing feature to be kept.
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[tantek] and the small table we were at was separated from everyone else's tables in the corner area
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] gRegor was near us for a bit, but was also (most of the time?) wearing his mask as well
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aaronpk oh apparently it's because America/San_Francisco is not in the tz list
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[tantek] woohoo!
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Loqi 😊
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[tantek] yeah I bet you're pleased with yourself Loqi
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[tantek] gives Loqi a towel to wipe that smile off his face.
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Loqi runs away from the towel to wipe that smile off his face.
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aaronpk well since that's user-generated data i should handle errors better. surprised that hasn't come up more often
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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[tantek] figures
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GWG [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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aaronpk ok there should be 1 more coming and then it should stop
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[tantek] I'm almost afraid to ask, but what does timezone have to do with countdowns? is this the "how long is a day" problem?
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aaronpk no it just reports when the countdown was set, and uses the user's local time to report that
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Loqi [tantek] needs to upload the IWC SD group photos to the event!
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Loqi Countdown set by [tantek] on 2023-12-22 at 10:18am UTC
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aaronpk ^^
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aaronpk so now it is ignoring the invalid timezone and falling back to UTC
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[tantek] fair
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c​apjamesg [tantek] Have you uploaded the IWC SD group photos to the event?
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[Joe_Crawford] Time storage is fraught because time is malleable. Time zones are human constructs, leap days, daylight savings, jurisdictional variances (there are places on the planet with half hour offsets). So any time you do time processing every piece of it: ui, backend, database, app, browser, os has to be in relative agreement about what is being passed around. If any one of them is passed something it doesn’t understand you get hilarious a
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[Joe_Crawford] painful errors.
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[jacky] mandates UTC for everything
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[jacky] forces sundials for offline time tracking
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[tantek] capjamesg lol 😂 😭
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford] you have seen the XKCD about this right?
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[tantek] https://xkcd.com/2867/ (note the title text also)
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Loqi [preview] [XKCD] DateTime https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/datetime_2x.png
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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loqi.me edited /Tweetdeck (+185) "[tantek] added "2022-07-01 jwz: [https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/07/tweetdeck-eat-shit-twitter/ Tweetdeck: Eat Shit, Twitter] (has screenshots worth re-using for the shutdown thereof)" to "See Also"" (view diff)
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] I have not seen that xkcd! It is as usual great
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gRegor [tantek], no symptoms, negative rapid test yesterday. will probably take one more today or tomorrow before travel plans on Sunday.
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gRegor I was just thinking about submitting a post to IndieNews about the possible exposure for IWC SD attendees. Should I?
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GWG I'm not sure what makes sense. Is that the right forum?
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[tantek] I think if we can get negative confirmations from at least the folks in the car / Sunday night gatherings (who had the longest period of time adjacent to, and thus vulnerable to contagion), we can consider it done.
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gRegor angelo? ^
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[tantek] waiting to hear back from [chrisaldrich] and Angelo who were in the car with me. I was driving and lowered all four windows during every trip, and every coffee/snack/dining spot we went to we sat outdoors. really glad I specifically asked for that El Z place to specifically seat us outdoors. That may have made the difference tbh
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gRegor Peter is the only one maybe not in the loop via being in chat regularly, though I did email him the other day and just heard back. I'll mention in the reply.
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GWG The car thing, by the way...made me think of that opening scene in Wayne's World. Except we didn't sing.
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[tantek] and we sat at a large enough table that there was decent airflow *between* any pair of adjacent folks at the table
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[tantek] GWG, probably good that we didn't sing. and not just for our ears
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gRegor I think in general the newsletter is the best way we have to get information like that out. But yes, in this case the majority of attendees are here in chat or reachable by us. [Joe_Crawford] can you let Al know?
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GWG [tantek]: Good, because I don't think I can pull off a line like "Mama, I killed a man."
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gRegor [aciccarello], can you let Isaac know?
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gRegor I think that covers everyone
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[aciccarello] Yep, already did
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[tantek] gRegor, yeah, we have to manage/balance reaching folks who may be impacted (who we have a short list of) vs broadcasting to folks 99% of whom (assuming 1000 newsletter subs) have nothing to do with the event, and either unnecessarily scaring people, or potentially directing unnecessary attention to personal medical matters
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GWG That's why I was asking
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gRegor "unnecessarily scaring people" seems impossible in 2023 US, haha, but point taken.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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gRegor what is 🦋
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Loqi 🦋 Bluesky is a public-benefit LLC and project run by Jay Graber and initially proposed by Jack Dorsey, former Twitter CEO, to “develop an open and decentralized standard for social media” and has Twitter-like features https://indieweb.org/%F0%9F%A6%8B
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[Joe_Crawford] [gRegorLove] I will directly send a message but also I think I can mention [Al_Abut] here and potentially reach. But I will directly contact him as well.
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[tantek] gRegor, fear is the mind-killer
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[tantek] thanks [Joe_Crawford]
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gRegor oh yeah, forgot he's on the Slack
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[Joe_Crawford] I texted him. Deserves a direct message without having to scroll back to context. And is David the one positive test and symptomatic attendee?
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GWG Yup
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[Joe_Crawford] Small favors. I hope the affliction progresses quickly to wellness for you David.
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GWG [Joe_Crawford]: Progresses sounds bad
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[Joe_Crawford] More of my quirky language usage. It’s not intended that way. I of course wish you immediate wellness!
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GWG I've just been in Floridean quarantine.
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GWG The CDC says I can leave tomorrow
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[tantek] how are your symptoms?
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[tantek] curious that uploading photos to events doesn't show up here, I kinda expect it to
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "Dec 16 - 17, 2023 IndieWebCamp San Diego 2023" changed summary "drop Join us CTA after the fact" https://events.indieweb.org/event/548/history/1540/diff
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gRegor Hey, it's the indiewebcamp flag, woohoo!
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Loqi 😄
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[tantek] capjamesg, Loqi, there you go, photos uploaded, though apparently across the newsletter generation so only the day 1 photo made it into that draft, which is fine.
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[tantek] I specifically chose the vertical day 1 photo for the clear blue sky flex
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GWG I'm happy the flag finally got out of the house
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Meetable/issues/109
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #109 Add edit notification when a photo is added
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[tantek] heh
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[tantek] ok photos posted, time for a walk and then return to figure out what else to post, update, fix for the newsletter
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angelo reposting from -chat, i just tested negative for Covid
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Loqi angelo: gRegor left you a message 4 days, 16 hours ago: want to set up the wiki page https://indieweb.org/indieweb.rocks ?
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[tantek] angelo++ woohoo!
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Loqi angelo has 4 karma in this channel over the last year (14 in all channels)
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Loqi :D
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[tantek] I haven't tested but given my past sensitivity and present zero even hints of symptoms, I'm not worried.
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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[tantek] Seeing the upcoming events listed like "normal" looking headings and descriptions makes me want to style them up a little differently to really call out that THESE ARE EVENTS
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[tantek] like a medium sized floating square to the left of each event name & summary with the month & day of the event in it. like 📆 except with the month of the event in white on the maroon top third, and the day of the month of the event in large black text on the white lower two-thirds
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[tantek] this is more work than I can code up today
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[tantek] that calendar square thing would be as tall as (and to the left of) the first two lines of each event (name and date), e.g. to the left of "*IndieWeb Create Day /* Monday, December 25 at 9:00am"
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[tantek] "Dec / 25" to the left
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[tantek] thoughts?
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aaronpk like the ones on my site? https://media.aaronpk.com/2023/12/22132048-1220.png
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aaronpk i'm not sure how easy that will be to create in email-safe HTML
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[tantek] YES, just like that!!!
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[tantek] aaronpk, you say email-safe HTML, I hear tables-for-layout 😆
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[tantek] I mean I could do it with HTML4+CSS1 (inline), that ought to work right?
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[tantek] like yours except why not use IndieWeb red
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[tantek] instead of the blue there
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aaronpk i'm pretty sure tables are still the best way to do layout in email
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Loqi Generated a new draft of the newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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gRegor gets out the spacer.gif
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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gRegor Good newsletter, nice plushies in the London photo :)
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[tantek] yeah, sorry about the gift calendar/challenge editing noise
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2023-12-22.html
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[tantek] not this year's, I mean the clean-up of past years