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Loqi [Event Updated] david.shanske.com updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed meeting_url https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1700/diff
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GWG We're live on Zoom. Details on the event page
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pcarrier Loqi: 403s here
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capjamesg pcarrier[d] See https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/indiewebcamp-d%C3%BCsseldorf-2024-lPSJYTuqCdL2
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Loqi [preview] IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024
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capjamesg Welcome to the Zoom room, pcarrier[d]!
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capjamesg We're just getting set up now.
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pcarrier SGTM
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capjamesg Can you hear us?
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capjamesg How is your morning going pcarrier[d] ?
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pcarrier pretty good, actively drafting the protocol for https://signali.ng/ and hoping to jump to implementation today
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+19) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1701/diff
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1702/diff
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+798) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] jamesg.blog updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1703/diff
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-160) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+13) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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[tantek] capjamesg++ for wikifying schedule updates!
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Loqi capjamesg has 28 karma in this channel over the last year (186 in all channels)
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capjamesg Yay!
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Loqi 😊
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capjamesg [tantek] Can I borrow your Macbook charger?
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[tantek] remote participants, please let us know here in chat if you have any problems with the Zoom, or audio etc.
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[tantek] also it turns out all of us here ran out of IndieWebCamp stickers so I think we need to print another round and mail them out to various organizers cc: aaronpk
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[tantek] to at least: capjamesg, GWG, Joschi, tantek
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GWG Maybe our SoCal group
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[tantek] that's not a specific person with an address
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2024-132-iwc-dus-schedule-grid.jpeg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2024-132-iwc-dus-schedule-grid.jpeg"
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[tantek] ^ schedule grid for today
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[tantek] Wiki schedule needs updating accordingly
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foreverliketh.is edited /User:Foreverliketh.is (-33) (view diff)
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foreverliketh.is edited /User:Foreverliketh.is (+116) (view diff)
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pcarrier.com created /User:Pcarrier.com (+155) "personal webpage" (view diff)
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foreverliketh.is edited /User:Foreverliketh.is (+33) (view diff)
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pcarrier wait, MediaWiki doesn't POST Redirect GET?
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pcarrier [edit] wait, MediaWiki doesn't POST Redirect GET on edition?
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pcarrier [edit] wait, MediaWiki doesn't POST Redirect GET on edition? whuuut
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pcarrier [edit] MediaWiki doesn't POST Redirect GET on edition? whuuut
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tantek.com edited /Special:Log/upload () "uploaded a new version of "[[File:2024-132-iwc-dus-schedule-grid.jpeg]]"" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+7) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+0) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+26) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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aaronpk oops, I shoulda checked before! I could have sent name tags and pronoun pins too!
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GWG I thought someone local had them
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aaronpk We should really figure out how to encourage the discord folks to not edit their messages, since it doesn't work well across the bridges and just gets super noisy
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[Joel_Auterson] I think you can change the permissions on a discord server such that it isn’t possible
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tantek.com edited /large_language_model (+63) "finish blockquote" (view diff)
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Loqi +1
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aaronpk Not last time I checked
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[Joel_Auterson] Ugh yeah you’re right, just looked. Thought it was in the role permissions
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[tantek] is there a setting for how long someone is able to edit their posts in Discord?
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[tantek] like can only edit for 10min etc?
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aaronpk No
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aaronpk its a much requested feature tho
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[tantek] heh
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cophee The audio just died!
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capjamesg Wing[d] is the audio back?
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cophee yup!
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capjamesg [tantek] can you add the group photo to the event page,
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capjamesg *?
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[tantek] needs to curate & crop
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capjamesg ++
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tantek.com uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:2024-132-iwc-dus-day-1.jpeg]]" https://indieweb.org/File:2024-132-iwc-dus-day-1.jpeg"
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] oh that's a great photo
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[tantek] thanks!
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tantek.com edited /Linktree (+489) "bold link in bio in dfn for greater visibility, shorten dfn, Why section summary, minimal IndieWeb Examples that links to the link in bio examples" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /link_in_bio (+264) "/* IndieWeb Examples - Joe Crawford */" (view diff)
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Loqi "IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" call ended https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/indiewebcamp-düsseldorf-2024-lPSJYTuqCdL2
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aaronparecki.com edited /.well-known (+231) "/* Issues */" (view diff)
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[tantek] [Joschi_Kuphal] we evaluated the Holiday Inn and the Niu lobby area that we scoped out is better for tomorrow's Create Day
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[tantek] Let's update the wiki pages accordingly
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[tantek] I'll upload a photo of the table we plan to use for Create Day, the one with the outlets
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[tantek] And the table we plan to use for demos
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GWG Definitely too unpredictable in the holiday inn
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[tantek] And too much screaming
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[tantek] Alright GWG, capjamesg, how many places do we have to edit / update with the information about using the Niu lobby back corner area for lobbyconning Create Day tomorrow?
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[tantek] Can we divide and conquer?
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[tantek] There's the indie event
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[tantek] There's /2024/DUS (possibly multiple places)
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[tantek] There's /2024/DUS/Schedule
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[tantek] What else?
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david.shanske.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (-13) (view diff)
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/DusseldorfSiteIntros2024 2024/Düsseldorf/Intros
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Intros. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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cali.moe created /2024/Düsseldorf/Intros (+5437) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/whatwhere https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere
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cali.moe created / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere (+5819) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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david.shanske.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+63) (view diff)
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub
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cali-iwc This etherpad has already been archived.
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/feedback https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback
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cali.moe created / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback (+3905) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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david.shanske.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+22) "/* Sunday */" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/obligatorypress https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress
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cali.moe created / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress (+2022) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/books https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books
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cali.moe created / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books (+3985) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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cali-iwc Created https://indieweb.org/https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books. Please review the page to ensure the document is correctly formatted and remove any unnecessary text.
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub
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cali-iwc This etherpad has already been archived.
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Loqi [Event Updated] david.shanske.com updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1704/diff
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[tantek] capjamesg you found a cali-iwc bug/edge case!
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[capjamesg] I know haha.
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[capjamesg] I thought trying it again would make it less true.
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[capjamesg] Evidently not 😂
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GWG How's that?
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[capjamesg] Now I have to debug Perl code 😭
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[tantek] Note that for IWC etherpads we keep a history of everytime it was used before so please be careful to preserve that history
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[tantek] I.e. if cali-iwc is destructive on etherpads, it should be updated to preserve previous arching history
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[capjamesg] If Cali sees something exists, it stops.
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[capjamesg] It does a check before write.
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jamesg.blog moved / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere to //2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere
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[tantek] Wat
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[capjamesg] I broke something aaronpk.
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[capjamesg] https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=https://indieweb.org/2024/D%C3%BCsseldorf/WhatWhere&redirect=no
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[capjamesg] Click on the redirect.
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[capjamesg] cali doesn't remove the http://indieweb.org from the start 😭
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/micropub / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub
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jamesg.blog moved / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress to /2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress
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[tantek] Obligatory is misspelled there
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress (-191) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] 😞
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jamesg.blog moved /2024/Düsseldorf/ObligitoryPress to /2024/Düsseldorf/ObligatoryPress
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[capjamesg] Moved thusly.
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jamesg.blog moved / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/feedback to /2024/Düsseldorf/feedback
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/feedback (-210) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Intros (-207) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-114) "set links to archived pages" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog moved / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/Books to /2024/Düsseldorf/Books
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Books (-309) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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jamesg.blog moved //2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere to /2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWhere (-236) "clean up formatting" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] [tantek] Who took notes on the Micropub session?
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jamesg.blog edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-439) "/* Saturday */" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] !archive https://etherpad.indieweb.org/principles https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples
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cali.moe created / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples (+3236) "Created event page using IndieWeb events / Etherpad archiver" (view diff)
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[capjamesg] Super weird.
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[capjamesg] Slack didn't expand that nicely for IRC.
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jamesg.blog moved / href="https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples" target="_blank">https://indieweb.org/2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples to /2024/Düsseldorf/WhatWherePrinciples
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[capjamesg] [tantek] Have you uploaded an image of the session grid anywhere?
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aaronpk we should really roll out the new events channel before the next in-person IWC 😂
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aaronpk what is discuss?
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Loqi 💬 Join the #indieweb discussion chat via the web, Slack, IRC, or Discord, now with additional focused channels for developers, WordPress, and meta topics! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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aaronpk https://indieweb.org/discuss#events_meetups_channel
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aaronpk i'm seeing conversation split between #indieweb and #indieweb-chat and that must be terribly confusing to follow when actually on site
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[tantek] what is recent uploads?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recent uploads" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "recent uploads is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] How is that not a thing
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[tantek] What are recent changes
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Loqi recent changes is a stream of updated posts or pages from a site, ordered by most recently updated first, commonly known from wikis like the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/Special:RecentChanges page https://indieweb.org/recent_changes
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[tantek] ^ capjamesg see Upload log there
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[tantek] aaronpk lol yes. More use cases being documented, planning eats & drinks for the evenings
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tantek.com created /recent_uploads (+32) "r" (view diff)
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[tantek] what are recent uploads
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/recent_uploads
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[tantek] If folks are here, could use some help updating the event/wiki pages for IWC DUS to change Holiday Inn for Sunday to Niu Hotel
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GWG Didn't I do that?
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[tantek] technically it's not pure lobbyconning because we did ask and receive permission! we were just told they couldn't reserve it for us
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[tantek] first come first serve
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[tantek] and that's why you're showing up with the flag
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GWG What is lobbyconnning?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lobbyconnning" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lobbyconnning is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Or rather, what makes a pure vs not pure...
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[tantek] lobbyconning has one fewer n than that
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GWG What is lobbyconning?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "lobbyconning" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lobbyconning is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG (Sticky n)
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[tantek] ah GWG I see you did update a bunch! thanks GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (46 in all channels)
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[tantek] doing minor edits now
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[tantek] GWG, am adding more detail to make the table more findable
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary "hotel lobby in particular" https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1705/diff
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+112) "minor updates for Sunday, and Friday happened" (view diff)
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tantek.com created /2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub (+514) "manual archive from etherpad micropub" (view diff)
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capjamesg [tantek] https://jamesg.blog/iwc/dus/
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Micropub (+130) "more previous sessions" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (+1) "/* Saturday */ fix micropub etherpad link" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Schedule (-2) "-= Sunday" (view diff)
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Loqi [Event Updated] tantek.com updated "May 11 - 12, 2024 IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf 2024" changed summary "fix Sunday schedule link" https://events.indieweb.org/event/536/history/1706/diff
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (-286) "update Niu Hotel lobby info, note Covid rules specifics (no longer TBD), very few" (view diff)
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[tantek] 2024/DUS << blog post: https://jamesg.blog/iwc/dus/
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Loqi ok, I added "blog post: https://jamesg.blog/iwc/dus/" to the "See Also" section of /2024/D%C3%BCsseldorf https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95104&oldid=95103
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (+211) "Sunday venue resolved" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf/Planning (+112) "Emails" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2024/Düsseldorf (+35) "/* Weekend Schedule */ main" (view diff)
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[tantek] I think we are all set with directions for IWC DUS Sunday
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[tantek] Can folks in PDT/EDT help with double checking wiki pages for us?
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[tantek] 08:00 Create Day start at the Niu Tab hotel lobby
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