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gRegor Haven't read the full scrollback, but I do think this iteration of the discussion and notes section here is an improvement: https://events.indieweb.org/2024/05/homebrew-website-club-pacific-i68Swhvi4o4T
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gRegor HWC Europe I think is still using "Etherpad link" and near the bottom of the event page
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gRegor Actually that link is missing the etherpad, haha
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gRegor See this diff instead: https://events.indieweb.org/event/598/history/1666 "We will take shared notes for this meeting at: [etherpad link]"
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 22, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "+etherpad link" https://events.indieweb.org/event/609/history/1710/diff
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[Joe_Crawford] Thanks gRegor when I cloned it was the archived link! Gregor++
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Loqi [Event Updated] gregorlove.com updated "May 22, 2024 6:00pm Homebrew Website Club - Pacific" changed description "rm GMT offset, always gets off with DST and copypasta, can use Meetable's built-in time conversions instead" https://events.indieweb.org/event/609/history/1711/diff
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gRegor Yep, makes sense!
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gRegor For that edit, "GMT-8" was in the text. Instead of keeping that current, I think people can click on the time "6-8" and find out what time it is locally
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gRegor Maybe a lesser known Meetable feature though
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gRegor I think we experimented with loosening the Zoom chat limitation so hosts could broadcast a chat message. I think GWG and I tried it once and it didn't work, though, other attendees couldn't see it. It was a while ago, I don't remember.
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gRegor that would *seem* ideal to me, let hosts broadcast links, but not let everyone chat so stuff doesn't get lost being only in zoom chat
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[Joe_Crawford] Last FESH it came to mind for me to put the etherpad link in the chat but once the meeting is going it’s too late. Easy enough to just remind people verbally. But taking advantage of zoom features that help users share and interact are in our interest.
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gRegor Yeah, people who aren't regulars aren't checking chat.indieweb.org regularly
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gRegor Or even some regulars, might just follow Meetable
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gRegor [Joe_Crawford], I'm glad you've made FESH happen :)
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[capjamesg] aaronpk is there a way for me to add a favicon to the IndieWeb events page? The lack of a favicon makes the events page a bit hard to find among tabs.
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capjamesg GWG I used your contact form to send the IWC Düsseldorf recordings. Let me know if you need anything from me!
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capjamesg gRegor We found an edge case in the archiver bot: https://github.com/capjamesg/indieweb-etherpad-archiver/issues/6 I know you have worked on the codebase a bit so I wanted to flag in case it's something you're interested in working on!
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capjamesg gRegor I appreciated reading your blog post on event organising and COVID policies, and for helping to start a conversation around that. I also appreciated tracydurnell[d]'s response. Thank you both!
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capjamesg I agree that we can be clearer around COVID guidelines. Safety is important to everyone, and any lack of clear (and enforced) practices about safety precautions pertaining to COVID may make the difference between someone attending and feeling uncomfortable attending the event.
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capjamesg On a related note, I'm using this as a prompt to help secure a bigger, private space for HWC Edinburgh meetups (instead of a cafe where there are lots of other people around).
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[tantek] agreed capjamesg, gRegor, it's an important conversation to continue having
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[tantek] There's a bunch of constructive things we can build from as well, like perhaps organizers providing complimentary masks or tests to anyone who wants them. That can help set an inclusive tone
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[tantek] IWC kit << consider (pre)packing a set of KN95/FFP2 masks to provide to attendees to use if they wish, may help make those who do mask feel more explicitly included in an IWC
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Loqi ok, I added "consider (pre)packing a set of KN95/FFP2 masks to provide to attendees to use if they wish, may help make those who do mask feel more explicitly included in an IWC" to the "See Also" section of /IndieWebCamp_kit https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=95289&oldid=95268
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[tantek] The more recent studies on test efficacies and for that matter, usefulness as a predictor of "safety" to participate have been showing some interesting results that call into question depending on them for doing so (for both test accuracy and psychological reasons)
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capjamesg What is IWC kit?
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Loqi 🧰 IndieWebCamp kit is a small recommended set of supplies that help to run an IndieWebCamp such as large sticky notes and Hello My Name Is name badges https://indieweb.org/IWC_kit
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[tantek] The more modern approach I've been seeing is to discourage anyone with any respiratory symptoms from participating in in-person events, REGARDLESS of test results (because of false negatives, test latency in detecting infection, and etc)
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[tantek] So I’m not sure it's worth asking IWC organizers to spend money on tests for IWCs
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[tantek] Maybe if you have some spares laying around that are about to expire anyway?
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[tantek] capjamesg, we needed an IWC kit at IWC DUS
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capjamesg [tantek] I like that idea. I wouldn't feel comfortable attending an IWC if I had a cold, for example, knowing that I am likely to spread it to someone.
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capjamesg I personally feel uncomfortable if someone is coughing, etc. in a room. I often get frustrated when I am on public transportation and someone starts coughing near. I usually move.
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GWG I'm on a plane tonight... but will see about getting this done this weekend
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[tantek] capjamesg, a bunch of the running groups I'm a part of have some good, short, well-written rules/requests for that sort of thing (don't show up with symptoms)
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[tantek] I'll see if I can copy/paste something here to consider for re-use
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[tantek] capjamesg, I'm still masking on public transport, trains etc. in general, KN95/FFP2 usually
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[tantek] and still wearing an N95 respirator on flights, especially when in Economy class. I know of several people who were almost certainly infected with Covid by someone adjacent a few seats away or in-front or behind who was coughing / sounded like they were going to lose a lung
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[tantek] anyway that's (personal practices) more of a #indieweb-chat level tangent
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[tantek] capjamesg, [Joe_Crawford] I believe this overlaps your interests: https://indieweb.org/discuss#events_meetups_channel
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[tantek] I added a use-case specifically for "this is the channel to use instead of Zoom chat"
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Loqi [New Event] jamesg.blog created "May 23, 2024 10:00am Homebrew Website Club (Global Edition)" https://events.indieweb.org/O1kOoHwSy66q
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[tantek] that should push slop to the top
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[tantek] or is it new this week? I forget
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gRegor https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2024-05-16#t1715855773394000 This is still "masking recommended" language which I don't think is sufficient. The thrust of my post isn't about making people who mask "feel included."
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Loqi [preview] [[tantek]] IWC kit << consider (pre)packing a set of KN95/FFP2 masks to provide to attendees to use if they wish, may help make those who do mask feel more explicitly included in an IWC
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gRegor I can go either way on tests. It's complex and the language around it would have to be clear if it's encouraged. Emphasis should be on a positive test meaning you have it, and a negative test is not conclusive that "you're fine." Also why a mask requirement is a good extra layer.
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gRegor Also serial testing after like 48 hours is better. So yeah, altogether it's complicated, so that's why I can go either way on it as a "we expect" or "we encourage" guideline
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GWG gRegor: I followed protocol this time
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